Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Even the four gospels of the new testament do not tell the exact same story. One does not even tell of Jesus coming back to teach. Kind of a large part to leave out if it actually happened. Funny part is, this was the first known gospel to be written.
It is as if a few decades later the Jesus coming back to teach was added to the original story.
When it was written doesn't matter does it?

I started a journal many years ago and then life happened quickly. I didn't have children the last time I wrote in it. But now I have children. Does that mean they don't exist because I didn't write about something that significant and life altering in my journal yet?
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I suffer fools gladly, therefore I am giving you my location. Your addled mind had you confused as usual. I am not whom I seem to be and certainly not who you think I am. LOL

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<quoted text>So you are willing to pay more taxes for the medical professionals?

You do not have to directly tell someone to use violence to incite one to be violent.
The way you speak of homosexuality, you put it in line with crimes.
And we are not just talking about your personal kids. You are speaking on a world wide forum. You have opened up your views of this for all to see. And the way the Mormon church funded the agenda for prop. 8, you are part of the organization that conspires to demand those outside their church to follow your religious beliefs by way of law.
So when you now say you are against interference of others, I call bull. You seem to be in denial about so much.
When they did it at my school, they did not charge. 30 minutes out of their lives to prevent horrible outcomes was worth their time.

When things affect our family lifestyle, I do see fit that we get involved. Most others feel the same way. In this case in particular, you and I disagree on how our families will be affected.

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<quoted text>I still fail to see any comparison with the piercings. Care to elaborate?

No one is trying to make bestiality legal, or marriage to animals recognized by the state.
Just what is the common thread bestiality have with gay marriage?
It sounds to me as if you are just repeating talking points that have no rhyme or reason to them.
Yet. You left out the word yet. So far we have seen every fetish under the sun become more and more acceptable in the disgusting world of porn that is now the number 1 industry in this nation. And you don't see a slope?

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I suffer fools gladly, therefore I am giving you my location. Your addled mind had you confused as usual. I am not whom I seem to be and certainly not who you think I am. LOL
Coincidentally, who he thought you were hailed from the same area you do.

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<quoted text>You do not think their is conclusive evidence for evolution.
But if their was, what you would consider conclusive evidence, would that affect your stance one bit?

The evidence science has on the matter leads them to conclude it is innate for the time being. Now if you have some evidence to show the claim as wrong, lets see it.
Their is not many in the relating fields that think homosexuality is not innate. Maybe a tiny handful, that also think Noah's ark is real.

Schools teach the science that is of consensus with professionals, not the religious fanatics.

But the thing is, schools are mainly speaking of bullying homosexuals. Are you telling me that teaching this is wrong? Are you saying they should not condemn bullying?

No matter what your book of superstitions says about the matter, no scientific evidence shows one should be bullied about for their legal sexual preferences.

Now if you can show the schools are teaching something that is false, please show us, and be specific. Otherwise, you are just moaning about something that is likely not even happening.
I'm going to use a line that has been used on me for years: the burden of proof is on you.

As far as bullying, no I don't think it's right to bully the lifestyle choice of homosexuality. Or any other lifestyle choice. If one chooses to abandon modern life and retire to the mountains to live off the land, he will be thought of as weird and jokes will be made for sure, but that isn't right either. But I also don't expect this mountain man to try to get laws changed and expect everyone else to conform to his way of life either. Nor do I expect him to push for classes to be taught to the youth about his lifestyle choice to make it seem more acceptable to society.

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<quoted text>Why can't science find a cure for cancer? Nature is complex.
But you just seem to expect science to pinpoint all the answers to all of the universe as if the universe was a simple machine.
I doubt a ton of money is being dumped into pinpointing homosexuality, as only the bigots are disputing its innate nature anyways.
Not as if evidence affects those who believe in Noah's ark anyways.

A person makes conclusions based upon the evidence. Well, a reasonable person does. No evidence points to homosexuality not being innate. All evidence points to it being innate.
Just as all evidence points to evolution being true, and none does not. Thus the evidence based person is likely to conclude homosexuality is innate. The superstitious may conclude otherwise.
All that said, still no one will admit there is conclusive evidence? Why?

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do whut wrote:
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I'm going to use a line that has been used on me for years: the burden of proof is on you.
As far as bullying, no I don't think it's right to bully the lifestyle choice of homosexuality. Or any other lifestyle choice. If one chooses to abandon modern life and retire to the mountains to live off the land, he will be thought of as weird and jokes will be made for sure, but that isn't right either. But I also don't expect this mountain man to try to get laws changed and expect everyone else to conform to his way of life either. Nor do I expect him to push for classes to be taught to the youth about his lifestyle choice to make it seem more acceptable to society.
The fact that humans are not the only animal displaying such behavior is the clinching evidence.

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<quoted text>I take the conclusions of those who base their decisions upon evidence over unfounded superstitions any day.

Regular Joe's in India conclude the Hindu gods are real.
Regular Joe's in the middle east conclude Mohammed was the true prophet.
Regular Joe's in ancient Egypt concluded that Ra was the sun god.
Their are hundreds of gods that have been invented by man that regular Joe's concluded were true.
But for some reason, this absolute fact is not taken into consideration by you. Or at least you never acknowledge the fact, nor show reason why it might not be relevant. You just ignore it to stay in delusion, just as all the regular Joe's I cited above.
I don't see anything wrong with others believing in some sort of a religion. I believe that those who really want to know the one and only God, would follow Him once the full gospel was presented to them. That's why we do missionary work. We try to take people that gospel and it is up to them if they accept it or not.

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All that said, still no one will admit there is conclusive evidence? Why?
Because the specific genes have yet to be identified or understood fully. Not to mention, science doesn't deal in proof, and nothing is ever 100%, just very, very, very close to it. For any scientist to state something is 100% certain, they'd be lying.

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Coincidentally, who he thought you were hailed from the same area you do.
LOL,,,.consult your dog or your pig....

One of them should be able to explain it so can all understand.

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I suffer fools gladly, therefore I am giving you my location. Your addled mind had you confused as usual. I am not whom I seem to be and certainly not who you think I am. LOL
Well, that's a relief. Take it from me, if you see 'curious' posting anything you'd probably be better off just ignoring it. He's either a troll or a complete idiot. At one point he swore up and down that someone simply answering a classified ad about his lost dog was objective evidence of divine intervention. Some woman called him in response to an ad, and he thought it was a miracle. Can you believe that? What a rube....

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LOL,,,.consult your dog or your pig....
One of them should be able to explain it so can all understand.
Just because you religies think animals talk does not make it so. Snowbird?

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mantle wrote:
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LOL,,,.consult your dog or your pig....
One of them should be able to explain it so can all understand.
Yup. Just like a lost dog story I once heard, it can be summed up with a grunt and a properly aimed leg lift.

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<quoted text>It is as if the bible can be interpreted in numerous ways, and this is why we have over 38,000 different sects. It is a testament to the holy ghost being only your own thoughts and beliefs, nothing more.

I see no evidence pointing to your stories as real, and all evidence points to the stories as being invented by man.
It is a testament to the apostasy. It is also a testament that people don't like change. As you have said, many people do stick with what they knew growing up. Traditions feel good. They are sentimental. I approached my studies of different religions with all intent to follow the one that I was told was right. I admit this was difficult because there are bits and pieces and even large chunks of truth within many religions. The trick is to keep searching until you have found the one with the most truth. The Holy Ghost testifies of all truth so you can feel His presence in many different churches. Most become satisfied and stay. I chose to keep trying to learn the mysteries of the Kingdom now, instead of saying, we aren't supposed to know that yet. In some cases we aren't told everything. We aren't always prepared to receive the answer.

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<quoted text>Look, if the religious kids are beating up the homosexual kids in school, then it is their RESPONSIBILITY to take charge, as you are clearly not doing the job. In fact, I think your words and your churches actions have compounded the situation.
Back in the "good old days" things like this were swept under the rug and never spoken of, just as with many abuses.

Will the kids listen to the teachers over your propaganda of homosexuality being on par with bestiality? Well it sure is an uphill battle with the likes your powerful, organized, bigot machine of a church, but I will be on the pro-active side instead of the "sweep it under the rug" side.

Violence upon homosexuals for the simple fact they are homosexuals, is a hate crime. It can carry some serious charges. I hope schools will teach the law, and encourage our kids to follow them and understand the consequences.

BTW, the only reason it is of hate, is due to the religious dogma/superstition you push.

Also, if you detect some anger in my tone, you would be correct, as your posts are really firing me up.
These are reasons why I protest superstitions, and will continue to do so as long as these injustices are being perpetrated by the superstitious.
This is why many are leaving religion. This fight will win you no converts.
Who says the religious kids are beating up the homosexuals? This happens between thousands of different groups (jocks beat up nerds, football players beat up band students, etc). You're throwing a mighty big assumptive blanket on this one, and trying to put me at the front of the parade. You are incorrect with that assumption for sure.

I hate no person. I do not, however, approve of all actions by every person. But violence is never my answer to anything. It never has been.

And I'm not here for converts. That assumption was wrong too.

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Well, that's a relief. Take it from me, if you see 'curious' posting anything you'd probably be better off just ignoring it. He's either a troll or a complete idiot. At one point he swore up and down that someone simply answering a classified ad about his lost dog was objective evidence of divine intervention. Some woman called him in response to an ad, and he thought it was a miracle. Can you believe that? What a rube....
There are things I can believe.
Your lies are not one of them.

I have gone back and tried to find evidence for the claims you have made.

What I found is that you are lying.
No such claims were made by curios or any one else.

Seems you are not the only liar.
Add Chromiuman,LOl and Satanic Priest to that list
as well.
There may be others.....

Another tidbit that may not come as a surprise.

It appears that yourself,LOL and Chromiuman have the same schedule for posting on Topix...

Wonder if that is by coincident or by design?
It is odd that all appear on topix at the same time quite frequently.

I would never believe,nor would I allege,that you are all guilty of that which you accuse me off.

Of course that would not make you all guilty,just the one who is attempting to deceive others into believing there are three.

How much intellect is involved in order to perform such a feat?

Enough to persuade a homosexual cockroach to go straight

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Just because you religies think animals talk does not make it so. Snowbird?
Yup. Either snowbird or visiting family. I noticed it had last posted from Winter Garden. Ah, the lovely southern shores of Lake Apopka... algae blooms and three eyed alligators.

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There are things I can believe.
Your lies are not one of them.
I have gone back and tried to find evidence for the claims you have made.
What I found is that you are lying.
No such claims were made by curios or any one else.
Seems you are not the only liar.
Add Chromiuman,LOl and Satanic Priest to that list
as well.
There may be others.....
Another tidbit that may not come as a surprise.
It appears that yourself,LOL and Chromiuman have the same schedule for posting on Topix...
Wonder if that is by coincident or by design?
It is odd that all appear on topix at the same time quite frequently.
I would never believe,nor would I allege,that you are all guilty of that which you accuse me off.
Of course that would not make you all guilty,just the one who is attempting to deceive others into believing there are three.
How much intellect is involved in order to perform such a feat?
Enough to persuade a homosexual cockroach to go straight
It must have taken you forever to examine indeterminable months of pages to find and review the dog story, the comments, retorts, replies and revisits... such "dogged" commitment to investigate an offhand reference to a story from a poster you haven't even corresponded with. Fascinating display of OCD.
Then to arrive at the conclusion that SS, LOL, CM and SP (especially SP!) are one person because these regular participants had posted within a day or two of each other? Hmmm, now where have I heard this irrationality before? Curious, indeed.
Perhaps you've STUMBLED across one of my maxims? Mind your ninth commandment.

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<quoted text>He is magic, nuff said.
Can he create a rock he cannot lift?
I believe this passage will answer your question....
"... As it is written: See I lay a stone in Zion that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
If you seek answers from the right source, answers will be provided.
If you seek for gold in a latrine, you will not find any.....
Always remember, Go to the source...
Nuff said
*****Just in case you missed it,'cause I really want to help you*****

Heads up, mantle and I will attempt to explain Mike's question to you.

I'm going to spell it out for you very simply.

IF Yahweh is all powerful, can he create a rock he can't pick up?

"Of course he is all powerful," you say, "so yes, he can."

BUT if he is all powerful and CAN NOT pick up something, then he is NOT all powerful.

By the same token, if he CAN'T create a rock he can't pick up, then he is NOT all powerful.

This is called a paradox.
Since neither answer can be true, we must look to the question to find out why.

The question shows us that Yahweh IS NOT all powerful, no matter what you think the correct answer is.
If he is not all powerful, then the bible is incorrect.

This demonstrates that the bible was just written by superstitious goatherders.
"God" disappears in a puff of logic.

Logical thinking. Awesome, it's it?

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