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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147280 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

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#107663 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
Suicide rates are lower in religious countries than in secular ones (1, 2). Some of this difference may be due to underreporting in religious countries because of concerns over stigma (3). Yet, some of the difference may be real, although it is not known whether the negative association between religion and suicide is due to its integrative benefits (such as social cohesion, as proposed by Durkheim in 1951 [4]) or to the moral imperatives of religious belief, given its prohibitions against suicidal behavior (1, 5–7). Most previous studies have been epidemiologic and have investigated the association between completed suicide and religion. An inverse relationship between religious commitment and suicidal ideation has also been reported (5, 8–10). However, reports regarding religious affiliation and suicide attempt are sparse. Morphew (11) compared 50 suicide attempters hospitalized after self-poisoning with respect to their religious beliefs and practices. He found no significant differences in terms of Catholic versus Protestant affiliation. Similarly, Malone et al.(12) reported that religious persuasion, defined as Catholic and non-Catholic, did not differ between suicide attempters and nonattempters. Kok (13) compared suicide attempt rates in Chinese, Malay, and Indian women in Singapore and concluded that the comparatively low rate of attempted suicide in Malay women was due to their religion, since Islam strictly forbids suicide.
Studies of religious commitment in general suggest a protective effect as well. In a sample of institutionalized chronically ill elderly, Nelson (14) showed that intensity of religious commitment was negatively associated with suicide gestures. In a cross-national study of 25 countries, Stack (1) concluded that protective effects were not due to any specific religious denomination per se but rather to a strong religious commitment to basic life-preserving values, beliefs, and practices that reduce rates of suicide.
Therefore, we examined factors associated with religious affiliation and nonaffiliation in depressed inpatients, generally considered to be at highest risk for a suicide attempt. We hypothesized that the religious subjects would report more moral objections to suicide as measured with the Reasons for Living Inventory (15). This instrument includes questions that reflect traditional religious beliefs: "I believe only God has the right to end a life," "My religious beliefs forbid it," "I am afraid of going to Hell," and "I consider it morally wrong." We examined the relationship between religious affiliation and social cohesion by examining the amount of time spent with relatives in religiously affiliated versus unaffiliated patients. To our knowledge, this is the first study investigating the relationship between religious affiliation status and suicide attempts in a clinical sample.
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Just noted this study does not mention atheists at all.
Again, according to your logic, Islam is the best for mental health.

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#107664 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
Religious commitment promotes social ties and reduces alienation (33). We found weaker family ties in religiously unaffiliated subjects, and family members are reported to be more likely to provide reliable emotional support, nurturance, and reassurance of worth (37). Our finding is consistent with reports about less dense social networks among atheists (38), although whether distancing from one’s family facilitates disaffiliation from the family’s religion or vice versa is not known.
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I see that four pages into the study, it finally speaks directly of atheists. The religiously non affiliated does not mean atheist, as this should demonstrate. The religiously non affiliated just means the person is not active in a religious community.
As this shows, the community ties is key for support systems. Not that atheists cannot have these, but in our very religious society, atheists are often outcast solely due to their beliefs, thus less total numbers of humans in their society in which to have a relating social tie.

I think as atheism grows, their will be more groups formed for the ideologies that bring atheists together in good healthy support groups.

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#107665 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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If there is a God,but there are those who do not believe there is then what Bacon says is very relevant and accurate.
Those who deny God may well be suffering from Cotard's syndrome
The Cotard delusion or Cotard's syndrome, also known as nihilistic or negation delusion, is a rare neuropsychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that he or she is dead,and that God does not exist
Read more: http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php...
In this lecture, Cotard described a patient with the pseudonym of Mademoiselle X, who denied the existence of God, the Devil, several parts of her body and denied she needed to eat.
And it may be that you should concern yourself with the detrimental
effect on your mental health caused by your foolish bellief that there is no God.
That problem is self inflicted.
Don't blame Christianity or God....
So you cite some rare disorder to point to why atheism is foolish, or do you call us foolish for some other reason?

“Breaking the spell ”

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#107666 Jun 29, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Only if anyone insists on being mired in and harping at stone age mentality level...kind of like not acknowledging the FACT that eating shellfish during a yellow or red tide might not be such a good idea, and wearing wool in 90 degree weather is not too bright either.
All these social whining non issues-wastes of time-not gonna change a thing on HOW or WHAT people think, or how anything operates now anyway.
Just MORE wastes of tax payer dollars that SHOULD spent on things like REAL immigration reform, welfare reform, jobs in a floundering economy, building and maintaining crumbling infrastructures and affordable (not FWEE) healthcare for everyone-NOT just some.
Hail the WHINIEST adminsitration ever-wahwahwah, where duh fwee everthing lines...wahwahwah.
Biggest Buncha backwards, whiney, duhmazz, commie-leaning slackerTics ever. Wahwahwah....
You claim it is a non issue, but if a government did not allow you to marry the adult you loved, it would suddenly be the only issue that seems important.
It is clearly not important to you because it does not affect your life. This shows you are only concerned about yourself.

I see you just avoid the issue at hand and whine about other things to create a diversion.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#107667 Jun 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Time tells the tale... As I said the slippery slope tilts a bit with each slip.... And it starts already...
Polygamists consider the SCOTUS ruling a trail blazing ruling for consideration of Marriage being between several consenting adults... And when that is found valid then comes net slip followed shortly by the Animal Rights groups to give animals standing in the marital status....
http://www.mrc.org/articles/polygamy-advocate...
The people like yourself said the same thing when black persons were allowed to marry white people.
The slippery slope fears is no reason to deny persons freedoms.
If you cannot find adequate reasons to deny homosexuals to marry, then move on and deal with it.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#107668 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Of course ,the fact that this report was based on a Scientific Study conducted by the American Journal of Psychiatry is rendered meaningless by the simple fact that the report concludes that,because of their unbelief,Suicide and other mental problems are much more prevalent among those non affiliated than those affiliated with religion.
Now,how does an Atheist deal with that issue?
He/She is unable to accept the results and has to go into denial.
Any excuse will be used to attempt to negate the Scientific findings of this report.
These are the same individuals who claim that nothing created something from nothing,which eventually gave birth to the stars ,planets and life as we know it.
They can not explain how it happened......
It was an accident,who knows.
Most certainly could not have been created by a superior intelligence,but,noninteiligen ce is quite capable of creating such a miracle.
Start by showing evidence of a creator and then we will talk about what that creator might be capable of doing.
And claiming nothing created the creator makes no sense.
If no creator was needed to create the creator, then why does it take a creator to create the universe?

“Breaking the spell ”

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#107669 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Of course ,the fact that this report was based on a Scientific Study conducted by the American Journal of Psychiatry is rendered meaningless by the simple fact that the report concludes that,because of their unbelief,Suicide and other mental problems are much more prevalent among those non affiliated than those affiliated with religion.
Now,how does an Atheist deal with that issue?
He/She is unable to accept the results and has to go into denial.
Any excuse will be used to attempt to negate the Scientific findings of this report.
These are the same individuals who claim that nothing created something from nothing,which eventually gave birth to the stars ,planets and life as we know it.
They can not explain how it happened......
It was an accident,who knows.
Most certainly could not have been created by a superior intelligence,but,noninteiligen ce is quite capable of creating such a miracle.
Many atheists are affiliated with religious organizations. In fact the Unitarian church welcomes them and they often go religiously.
Again, you keep pointing to atheists when the study is not pointing to atheists in particular.
Again, the study shows Islam has Christianity beat in the suicide department. So when are you going to drop that foolish religion of yours and convert to Islam?

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#107670 Jun 29, 2013
Seek Saving Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God. I will be praying for your soul.
May God show you his saving grace mixed with HIS saving faith soon.
How he Jesus died JUST for YOU. How he was buried just for YOU. How he arose just for YOU.
Why did he do this for you?
Are you that special to God.........YES......you are!!!
Pick up a bible and begin to examine your self to see where you stand with God today.
Seek salvation while you are able and still alive to call upon him for eternal salvation.
I will lay a bet god ignores this prayer.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#107671 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Animals kill each other too, not just for food either. That doesn't mean we should copy that behavior either.
Animals kill for food or to protect food territory.
Looking at the history of the world, humans certainly do this.
Looking at the bible, humans certainly do this and often claim they did it with gods blessing.
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Lamoni, IA

#107672 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Start by showing evidence of a creator and then we will talk about what that creator might be capable of doing.
And claiming nothing created the creator makes no sense.
If no creator was needed to create the creator, then why does it take a creator to create the universe?
that was to one of the more allegedly sophisticated fundies, I'd guess. first cause uncaused sounds more educated than the Bible thumpers. but not much more rational. People do not seem to see that both the Bible God and any alleged creator god of our universe are both horrid creatures unworthy of respect or worship - and would be even if they existed. as it is, it is more the believers in them who are unworthy of any respect.

your quick summary was a sufficient answer to all the first cause type assertions. but for the philosophical and the scientific, the whole notions of time and causation are involved also, as well as the question of multiverses. as an agnostic I do not even have to put a toe into those deep waters - I am content not to know and to suspect we cannot know.

I just want to know about what we can do to prevent disasters of global warming and nuclear waste and nuclear bombs in the hands of terrorists and irresponsible heads of state or military leaders. And how to get idiot people in democracies to not elect irresponsible leaders, including members of Congress who head key committees. I am no fan of Menendez, even, or even of Levin, but they are better than the Republicans.

I see nothing we can do regarding the big bang, and do not even approve of wasting money on research that is too full of hubris and curiosity, and is not valuable for the preservation of the planet and life* on it, in relatively tolerable circumstances.*Including polar bears and inhabitants of rain forests, also honey bees and song birds, and pandas.

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#107673 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So should those that wish to practice incest be allowed those rights?
Incest is not natural. Homosexual behavior is prevalent in nature, but incest is not. Incest is prevalent in the bible though. In fact, the claim of the bible shows all humans are the product of two relationships of incest, Adam and Eve, and Noah and his family.

Incest is known to result in deformations in offspring. This alone will keep it off the list of what our government will condone.
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Lamoni, IA

#107674 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Animals kill for food or to protect food territory.
Looking at the history of the world, humans certainly do this.
Looking at the bible, humans certainly do this and often claim they did it with gods blessing.
unfortunately some animals kill for other reasons - as in males fighting for the honor of bestowing their dna on too many females. I do not think one can entirely whitewash the animal kingdom - but man is the worst of them. Since I do not believe in conventional notions of free will, I think there are plenty of causes of human misconduct (including murder), including of course the notions of several religious groups - now and in the past. But racism and nationalism and sexism and dismissal of the ill and old as useless, and other evil notions, including political, economic*, and philosophical ideologies, also lead to killings either deliberate or through heartless negligence*(*especially in the case of economic).

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#107675 Jun 29, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> that was to one of the more allegedly sophisticated fundies, I'd guess. first cause uncaused sounds more educated than the Bible thumpers. but not much more rational. People do not seem to see that both the Bible God and any alleged creator god of our universe are both horrid creatures unworthy of respect or worship - and would be even if they existed. as it is, it is more the believers in them who are unworthy of any respect.
your quick summary was a sufficient answer to all the first cause type assertions. but for the philosophical and the scientific, the whole notions of time and causation are involved also, as well as the question of multiverses. as an agnostic I do not even have to put a toe into those deep waters - I am content not to know and to suspect we cannot know.
I just want to know about what we can do to prevent disasters of global warming and nuclear waste and nuclear bombs in the hands of terrorists and irresponsible heads of state or military leaders. And how to get idiot people in democracies to not elect irresponsible leaders, including members of Congress who head key committees. I am no fan of Menendez, even, or even of Levin, but they are better than the Republicans.
I see nothing we can do regarding the big bang, and do not even approve of wasting money on research that is too full of hubris and curiosity, and is not valuable for the preservation of the planet and life* on it, in relatively tolerable circumstances.*Including polar bears and inhabitants of rain forests, also honey bees and song birds, and pandas.
I don't claim to know either, but the religious claim to know, yet have zero evidence.

Part of a full life is to enjoy life. If that includes putting some money and effort into understanding non critical studies in science, so be it.
The main thing slowing progress in the global warming issue is the right wingers who are in denial about many sciences. You know, the kind that deny homosexuality is natural.

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#107676 Jun 29, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> unfortunately some animals kill for other reasons - as in males fighting for the honor of bestowing their dna on too many females. I do not think one can entirely whitewash the animal kingdom - but man is the worst of them. Since I do not believe in conventional notions of free will, I think there are plenty of causes of human misconduct (including murder), including of course the notions of several religious groups - now and in the past. But racism and nationalism and sexism and dismissal of the ill and old as useless, and other evil notions, including political, economic*, and philosophical ideologies, also lead to killings either deliberate or through heartless negligence*(*especially in the case of economic).
I agree, and I am also of the camp of non-conventional notions about free will.
I think racism and the sort, are offshoots of our instinctive behavior pattern, keeping outsiders from our territory.
Race can distinguish groups, but it does not determine if the group is hostile or friendly.

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#107677 Jun 29, 2013
The whole history of modern Fundamentalists denying science is pretty interesting. I think it was the cast in the 19th century that most religious people (most people) accepted science pretty firmly. But this was because science had not yet really stepped on their religious toes very much. Then Darwin comes along and BAM.

No place for god? The Fundies do have a problem with that. Although I'm not exactly sure where the value for "god" could be inserted into any formulas to arrive at a meaningful answer...

http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/10/1953/S...

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#107678 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You're just sad that I get straight to the point and didn't play your game?
Yet you did not get to the point at all. You played the game of dodge.
No religious persons here dared confront the actual question, can god create a rock he cannot lift.
I did not ask if he wants to create the damn rock, I asked if he can.
So either answer my question, or keep playing games to avoid answering the question. I am sure you will do the latter, as you often do when confronted with a hard question.

I am really just dumbfounded you claim to not be playing games.

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#107679 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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That's not 100% true. Some animals kill for fun
Can you tell us which animal does this, other than humans?
I have heard of no study that makes this claim.

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#107680 Jun 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Many Animals kill for Sport....
If by "sport" you mean practice, then yes, that sometimes occurs. A kitten might fight a bug scurrying around to hone his skills to hunt.
Their is a hypothesis that says humans play all sports to satisfy the instinct to hunt.
What is fun and how do we get pleasure from hunting? It all seems to boil down to our instincts.
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Lamoni, IA

#107681 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I don't claim to know either, but the religious claim to know, yet have zero evidence.
Part of a full life is to enjoy life. If that includes putting some money and effort into understanding non critical studies in science, so be it.
The main thing slowing progress in the global warming issue is the right wingers who are in denial about many sciences. You know, the kind that deny homosexuality is natural.
yes, and some of the worst ones are Republicans who were or are on the science and technology committees in the House and Senate. They are anti-science.

As for the scientists enjoying life by studying the immediate after events of the big bang, let them do it on their own money, not mine. Same with all the generals and neocons who enjoy making wars in the mideast. Same on all the women seeking abortions after not using birth control in consensual sexual relationships (they have the right, but not with my tax money). Same with all the damned animal experiments that torture and kill animals in the name of science. They are letting some of the chimps go. I do not respect socalled science based upon torture of animals. Let them experiment on human first-degree murderers, instead of animals, and instead of giving the murderers the death penalty.
Curiosity - even intellectual curiosity - are often attributes of folks with socalled scientific abilities, and compassion is not required of them in too many cases. Look at how Oppy finally realized what he had done and was bent down with the weight of it, almost literally.
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Lamoni, IA

#107682 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, and I am also of the camp of non-conventional notions about free will.
I think racism and the sort, are offshoots of our instinctive behavior pattern, keeping outsiders from our territory.
Race can distinguish groups, but it does not determine if the group is hostile or friendly.
Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial, and the news about how many people on so called social media are attacking the black high school girl who was on the phone with the victim, when he was being stalked by Zimmerman? Did you know the judge refused to dismiss a prospective juror for cause when the juror said she had seen news about black people having "riots" about the case? The case is doomed from the start both by the horrid Florida law, and by the judge, and the consequent jury with no black persons on it - though the defense could get black prospective jurors off the jury.

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