Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,074

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107318 Jun 22, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>You forget...
The Creator can/will do anything He wants...
He is bigger than what you see!
Get to know Him... You will be glad you did!
So now you are just saying you don't know but attempting to avoid admitting that.

I got to know your god, by reading your bibles, and he's a monster.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107319 Jun 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry but there is no conclusive evidence.
http://www.redding.com/news/2008/jun/17/are-w...
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Slippery slope that has been discussed here before is what I was referring to.
Yes someone else mentioned it was a hoax. That's great, but it will happen soon enough even if it's just to make a statement.
There is no connection between bestiality and homosexuality. NONE.
If you'd done a web search you would have found that there was a man in Sudan who was forced to marry a goat BY his church.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>Just because I don't approve of the actions of some people doesn't mean I think they deserve to be beat up.
Your words are hollow. There are other forms of bullying and abuse besides physical beatings. Some recognize it.
http://www.thepeacewriter.com/2012/05/lds-the...
Just because you might not be the one throwing the punch or holding the fag down doesn't mean that attitudes like yours aren't the force and "justification" behind it.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#107320 Jun 22, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>You forget...
The Creator can/will do anything He wants...
He is bigger than what you see!
Get to know Him... You will be glad you did!
"He can do anything he wants" except create humans with belief in him...and only him.

You say everyone is free to worship him or not.
"Free" would be if there were no consequences of NOT worshipping.
A god that feels he has to threaten his creation with eternal punishment for NOT worshipping is a poor excuse of a "god" and not worthy of love.

The biblical "god" is a psychopathic bully and tyrant....or mythical.
Let's think well of it and call it mythical.

Primitive men sought to understand the mysteries of Nature by giving them the attributes of humans. Something they could relate to.
The invisible superbeing just wants to be loved and worshipped?
Oh, sure.
Why do you insist on keeping that primitive mindset?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#107322 Jun 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
*BUZZZ* Wrong answer!
Since homosexuality is a naturally occurring human sexual orientation (been around since the beginning, dude) you cannot just ignore it. You are doing kids intellectual and moral harm by sweeping it under the rug or letting homophobic parents fill their heads with idiot tales of god killing fags.
And your slipper slope argument about homosexuality in society leading to bestiality in society is flat out stupid. And insulting.
If this is the line of reasoning you actually think is valid I revoke my comment that you are a reasonable person.
"And your slipper slope argument about homosexuality in society leading to bestiality in society is flat out stupid. And insulting."

Why? Bestiality has been around since (been around since the beginning, dude) you cannot just ignore it. You are doing kids intellectual and moral harm by sweeping it under the rug or letting beastiophobic parents fill their heads with idiot tales of god killing pig porkers, stump breakers, chicken cluckers, ect.

Since the Beginning there has been Asexuality, Bisexuality, Polygamy, Bestiality, Transgendered, Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, Incest, Excess, group groups, pedophilia, and even Tree Bangers and Water Mellon Plugers.... Societal Norms are the Only thing that has changed since the Beginning and the guy that just died because he shoved a foot long eel up his rear end because he saw in it a porn movie supports the idea of a slippery slope....

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107323 Jun 22, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
"He can do anything he wants" except create humans with belief in him...and only him.
You say everyone is free to worship him or not.
"Free" would be if there were no consequences of NOT worshipping.
A god that feels he has to threaten his creation with eternal punishment for NOT worshipping is a poor excuse of a "god" and not worthy of love.
The biblical "god" is a psychopathic bully and tyrant....or mythical.
Let's think well of it and call it mythical.
Primitive men sought to understand the mysteries of Nature by giving them the attributes of humans. Something they could relate to.
The invisible superbeing just wants to be loved and worshipped?
Oh, sure.
Why do you insist on keeping that primitive mindset?
From it's posts one could form an opinion that it was a cursing, lying, stealing, drinking, smoking, gambling, child molesting, homosexual, crack head, bed wetting, low life bastard.

Of course that all changed once it became a religie.

Now it is just a lying, bed wetting, delusional and judgemental low life bastard.


Yep, god in a jesus suit loves a sinner.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107324 Jun 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>*BUZZZ* Wrong answer!

Since homosexuality is a naturally occurring human sexual orientation (been around since the beginning, dude) you cannot just ignore it. You are doing kids intellectual and moral harm by sweeping it under the rug or letting homophobic parents fill their heads with idiot tales of god killing fags.

And your slipper slope argument about homosexuality in society leading to bestiality in society is flat out stupid. And insulting.

If this is the line of reasoning you actually think is valid I revoke my comment that you are a reasonable person.
Why do you think they need to teach homosexuality in grade school?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107325 Jun 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>The LDS is a Protestant church, if it is a Christian church at all. Please don't tell me you actually think the LDS comes from before Catholicism.

So the LDS itself comes from a dead tree.
No it is not derived from another church. It claims to be a restoration of the original church that Jesus started. Protestants came from protesting the Catholic Church. This is not the case with the LDS church. Understand?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107326 Jun 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Just because you might not be the one throwing the punch or holding the fag down doesn't mean that attitudes like yours aren't the force and "justification" behind it.
Well said.

Support the church and you support hatred and bigotry.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107327 Jun 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think they need to teach homosexuality in grade school?
Yet ... no one is "teaching homosexuality" anywhere.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107328 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes your "interpretation" better than another?
TrueBeliever†

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107329 Jun 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think they need to teach homosexuality in grade school?
What is "teaching" homosexuality and who says they do?

Why do you think you are sometimes regarded as crazy as a loon religious bigot?
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107330 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You claim your god is real, but you never provide evidence to suggest or support your god's existence. That makes you a liar or delusional, which is it?
that was to yaa. I think your question implies that a liar is someone who knows he is telling an untruth, and a delusional person does not know it is an untruth, with regard to belief in a god. Are you implying that a person who was brought up to believe in a god by parents and their accomplices is delusional - or is he or she brainwashed, which might be a different thing? I think someone who asserts there is a God is either a liar or a "believer" who is making a claim he or she cannot prove. But the cause of that person's belief can be any of several factors. I feel sorry for them, actually.

I appreciate it that you distinguish between an intentional liar, and someone who does not know better. People do not always know when they are telling falsehoods.
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107331 Jun 22, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said.
Support the church and you support hatred and bigotry.
do you mean any church? or the Catholic Church? are you sure that every little church has leaders and members who are full of hatred and bigotry? That seems like a very comprehensive accusation.

Some churches and some denominations, and some of their members, are more hateful and bigoted than others. Do you make no distinction and condemn them all equally? That would remind me of the type of person who thinks each of the 10 commandments is of equal merit!

seems to me you become more like Skeptic every day. are you the same person?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107332 Jun 22, 2013
haventt forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> do you mean any church? or the Catholic Church? are you sure that every little church has leaders and members who are full of hatred and bigotry? That seems like a very comprehensive accusation.
Some churches and some denominations, and some of their members, are more hateful and bigoted than others. Do you make no distinction and condemn them all equally? That would remind me of the type of person who thinks each of the 10 commandments is of equal merit!
seems to me you become more like Skeptic every day. are you the same person?
Blow me.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107333 Jun 22, 2013
haventt forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> that was to yaa. I think your question implies that a liar is someone who knows he is telling an untruth, and a delusional person does not know it is an untruth, with regard to belief in a god. Are you implying that a person who was brought up to believe in a god by parents and their accomplices is delusional - or is he or she brainwashed, which might be a different thing? I think someone who asserts there is a God is either a liar or a "believer" who is making a claim he or she cannot prove. But the cause of that person's belief can be any of several factors. I feel sorry for them, actually.
I appreciate it that you distinguish between an intentional liar, and someone who does not know better. People do not always know when they are telling falsehoods.
Delusion can be created, and is often developed by external influences. People are not born with delusions. Many delusions are often the result of indoctrination or "brainwashing," and thus, as I have always said, they should be treated for the delusion, not discarded. But if they are just lying, and many are, then they should not be trusted, and possibly jailed if they have profited from the lie. But yes, a lie requires willfully telling the untruth.
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107334 Jun 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
The LDS is a Protestant church, if it is a Christian church at all. Please don't tell me you actually think the LDS comes from before Catholicism.
So the LDS itself comes from a dead tree.
There are also at least four main groups within the church derived from Joseph Smith.
LDS - Latter Day Saints, or Mormons, followed Brigham Young to Utah. They were polygamous. They mostly gave it up in order to get Utah statehood. They did send a few of their members to Mexico where they continued to be polygamous - including one of Romney's grandfathers, I think. And a few folks stayed LDS and also stayed polygamous, and avoided the law.
The Fundamentalist LDS remained polygamous, and they still have several compounds in various parts of the US. They were the group that got raided a few years ago, with the charges of statutory rape being used as a part of the church ritual, along with polygamy. The charges stayed in place only for a couple of leaders, I think - and most of the other powerful men still are getting by with it.
The monogamous groups that did not follow B Young, stayed in the midwest, and formed into the Reorganized church = RLDS. They have two major midwestern centers, my town of Lamoni where Graceland College is located (with some RLDS domination - but increasingly less so in many ways)- and Independence, Mo. The church changed its name to Community of Christ. The more progressive leadership in the church finally got rid of the racism and some of the sexism (women now can be in the priesthood) and improved the church in other ways, and a splinter group dominated by old-fashioned men who opposed equal rights for women separated into the Restoration Branch - with numerous small churches in this area. The most liberal among the Cof C people are for gay rights and gay marriage rights, and are trying to bring the church to accept their view, slowly. At least they are battling against the homophobia - which will likely result in another split-off.
The church here has a doctrine of continuing revelation, which is good in that new progressive ideas can be introduced, but bad in that it attributes them to a new revelation from God, and also subjects them to a vote of the conference, to decide whether God really was the source of the new vision. It is a cover for liberal reformers, but what an awkward cover! There are rightwing nutcase split offs also, and some of them are "silenced" - that is the "big church" says their leaders are not approved by God and do not speak for the church. It is fascinating to watch the splits and the changes in this town.
For me, as an agnostic atheist, I find it very pleasant that I can call myself an ecumenical agnostic publicly, and not get in much difficulty. I explain ecumenicalism at length in terms of the view that it is a search for a common ethic of kindness, and it certainly puts people in a position of not wanting to be opposed to kindness, and bores them before I get to explaining the agnostic part. A few folks get it that I am an agnostic atheist, but I do not argue with them - poor things who are brainwashed and not taught to be rational need to at least see the wisdom of good ethics, and should not be confused with intellectual matters that they cannot allow themselves to consider. I suspect there are several other free-thinkers here, in addition to the few who are openly so. I love being an observer and watching the evolution of religious events here - our local Baptist minister denounced the hateful Phelps family (some of them came here to picket the play at Graceland, about the murder of the young gay man in Wyoming.
) And many college students picketed them when they were here - with signs saying God is love. And there are many in the big church here who are very good on many ethical matters - and who preach tolerance ane ecumenicalism on religion, including non-Christian religions.
A big difference among the heirs to Joseph Smith.
Angel with care

United States

#107335 Jun 22, 2013
The bible is our sanction and shall be allowed
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107336 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Delusion can be created, and is often developed by external influences. People are not born with delusions. Many delusions are often the result of indoctrination or "brainwashing," and thus, as I have always said, they should be treated for the delusion, not discarded. But if they are just lying, and many are, then they should not be trusted, and possibly jailed if they have profited from the lie. But yes, a lie requires willfully telling the untruth.
I like your kind impulse to think that these deluded folks should be treated for the delusion. Unfortunately some of the first amendment types have intimidated the psychiatric community into not calling a spade a spade, so to speak.

I personlly think that raising a child to believe in a hot hell of punishment is a form of child abuse and should be prosecuted. They should be in jail, and sterilized and not allowed to adopt once they get out. The children should be placed in decent homes. I do not think the police community would support that, nor many judges either.

There is a new controversy going on with regard to the socalled psychological treatment of trying to turn homosexual teenagers into heterosexual, against their will, maybe even by force from the parents. I hope this is finally regarded as a sort of cult, and prosecuted as kidnapping.

I think you and I could have extended discussions and find a few nuances where we disagree, but many very specific matters where we agree.

I like to tell folks that I am anti-abortion, and think the male is the one who should be killed, not the fetus. In some cases that is really my opinion, except that the male should be kept around in jail to be used as an organ donor. I think sexual relations between male and female should often be illegal for the male if he does not use a condom, and he belongs in jail - not with rights of a father - if it is any degree of rape whatsoever, including any trickery, or nonuse of a condom if she consents only if he does use a condom.

I do find it difficult to support abortion as being an OK thing, when it is used as a form of birth control, by trashy women and/or males. I do not like it that such folks become parents - I suspect they will be lazy irresponsible parents if they were too lazy or stupid to use birth control, in this day and age. I do not believe in any abridgement of abortion rights, however, since it would only lead to dangerous and illegal abortions. It will take better sex education - not closing of abortion clinics - to reduce abortions. I think many white males are especially worried about getting outnumbered and outvoted, and many of them want to populate the US with lots more white babies - to grow up to be rightwing nutcases, they hope.

We have an evil Congressman from Iowa, Steve King - who will take over from Michelle Bachmann and that horrid guy from Florida (did you know there is another disgusting black guy running for Lt. Gov in Va - look it up!) who got defeated (Alan West?- I hope to forget the name.

I value ethics, and politics is part of ethics. I can tolerate a believer who has kind ethics - more than a nonbeliever who is a rightwinger about political and social justice matters.
haventt forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107337 Jun 22, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Blow me.
you do seem a lot like Skeptic. both of you obscene and nasty. you are a bad example of atheism. I would prefer to have someone like TT blow you up. These stupid terrorists who hit innocent people at random should consult me first and get an enemies list of the horrid people of this world, like you and Skeptic. It is not nice to kill innocents.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107338 Jun 22, 2013
So true wrote:
<quoted text>yes they do and we shall each pay for our own , not the actions of others, mostly the bad ones are the ones recalled by others though. Great Friday to you.. That's what's sad.
Actually we often do pay consequences for the actions of others. I cannot even imagine how you think otherwise?

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