Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 134,266

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#107449 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If you can make the connection, why can you not explain it? I cannot read your mind, and you cannot articulate what you think.
Logic is a foreign language to mantle.
He apparently can't (or won't) see the paradox in your question and address it.
So he picks a babble quote about a rock and thinks it applies.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#107450 Jun 24, 2013
Heads up, mantle and I will attempt to explain Mike's question to you.

I'm going to spell it out for you very simply.

IF Yahweh is all powerful, can he create a rock he can't pick up?

"Of course he is all powerful," you say, "so yes, he can."

BUT if he is all powerful and CAN NOT pick up something, then he is NOT all powerful.

By the same token, if he CAN'T create a rock he can't pick up, then he is NOT all powerful.

This is called a paradox.
Since neither answer can be true, we must look to the question to find out why.

The question shows us that Yahweh IS NOT all powerful, no matter what you think the correct answer is.
If he is not all powerful, then the bible is incorrect.

This demonstrates that the bible was just written by superstitious goatherders.
"God" disappears in a puff of logic.

Logical thinking. Awesome, it's it?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107451 Jun 24, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
The threats to humanity were posed by the Atheist regimes of Joe Stalin, Benito Mussolini,Mao Ze Dung ,Pol Pot and other Atheists.
These are responslble for the deatha of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians.
History will confirm that it was the Chrisdtian Western World that prevented our planet from being overrun by the heathen hordes...
Whatever all of you might claim as to your excuses for being here,you are wasting your time.
No one knows who you are,what your plan of action is,where you may be reached, what you might hope to accomplish and how that might be achieved.
Your audience is composed of under 10 Christians who will totally disregard the foolishness you are so fond of spouting
So,,,,,,What have you accomplished these many years of spreading foolish ideas to an audience that places your credibility between --0 and O.
It is not our responsibility to provide you with evidence.
If you want evidence,it is your responsibility to search for it.
Good to see you became a registered user "curious" most religies like to stay unregistered so they can denie what they post. If I may ask, what evidence? When something does not exist(god) hard to find evidence. Don't you agree?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#107452 Jun 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering "the heart" means "what I want to do, regardless of the consequences," why would you "listen" to it?
Use your mind to make decisions and "listen" to it.
My heart speaks to me. Usually right after I eat a half pound of bacon.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#107453 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If you can make the connection, why can you not explain it? I cannot read your mind, and you cannot articulate what you think.
I can make the connection.

Based on your recent comments about blind faith and magic made it abundantly clear that the topic of faith is beyond your comprehension..

There are 2 ways of interpreting your comments;
Either you do not understand the basis for our Christian faith or
You mock those who truly believe.

I suspect that you mock that which you do not understand....

In which case,making the connection for you,would serve no useful purpose.

Do not give that which is holy to dogs and cast not your pearls before swine.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107454 Jun 24, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I can make the connection.
Based on your recent comments about blind faith and magic made it abundantly clear that the topic of faith is beyond your comprehension..
There are 2 ways of interpreting your comments;
Either you do not understand the basis for our Christian faith or
You mock those who truly believe.
I suspect that you mock that which you do not understand....
In which case,making the connection for you,would serve no useful purpose.
Do not give that which is holy to dogs and cast not your pearls before swine.
or you could go with the interpretation that believers are delusional and/or brain damaged.

Based on the evidence, I have to go with the latter but I kinda like #2 as well. I understand the basis of Christian faith and I mock those who "truly believe."

My dog is more holy than your mental infirmity and your pearls aren't fit for swine.
mock mock mock
Jennifer Workman Bussell

Germantown, KY

#107455 Jun 24, 2013
Our country was founded on religious beliefs....Returning God and the pledge of allegiance to the schools could only be a win/win situation. I respect those who do not want to participate but it gives a better foundation for children that are being raised with rage, drugs and in an environment of no hope.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107456 Jun 24, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I can make the connection.
Based on your recent comments about blind faith and magic made it abundantly clear that the topic of faith is beyond your comprehension..
There are 2 ways of interpreting your comments;
Either you do not understand the basis for our Christian faith or
You mock those who truly believe.
I suspect that you mock that which you do not understand....
In which case,making the connection for you,would serve no useful purpose.
Do not give that which is holy to dogs and cast not your pearls before swine.
Ah, curious. You decided to give up a little bit of your anonymity and finally use a registered account eh? Well, good for you. Why choose "mantle" as your moniker? Do you have a penchant for 19th century women's capes? Or maybe you're just fascinated with the Earth's crust and what lies beneath?
In any event, I know it's you because you're the only person I've ever knowingly encountered who thinks the terms "comprehension" and "endorsement" are synonymous. It's a dead giveaway. Well, that and your love of that "pearls before swine" quotation.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107457 Jun 24, 2013
Jennifer Workman Bussell wrote:
Our country was founded on religious beliefs....Returning God and the pledge of allegiance to the schools could only be a win/win situation. I respect those who do not want to participate but it gives a better foundation for children that are being raised with rage, drugs and in an environment of no hope.
Another "Uhmerica is uh christion country" post. Good grief, Palin's only been back on for a couple days and already the national IQ average has dropped 2.3 points.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107458 Jun 24, 2013
Jennifer Workman Bussell wrote:
Our country was founded on religious beliefs....Returning God and the pledge of allegiance to the schools could only be a win/win situation. I respect those who do not want to participate but it gives a better foundation for children that are being raised with rage, drugs and in an environment of no hope.
Funny thing you seem to miss, fewer kids participate in such things today than ever, yet, violence is down in the US, most crimes are down in the US, even drug usage.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107459 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>One of the most successful species on earth, has large groups of individuals who never procreate, ants. Ants are the most abundant species on the planet.
Marriage is not just about procreation. Relationships are not just about procreation.
Their are seven billion humans on the planet. Having a few gay persons around is not going to keep the population from dwindling.
If a gay person helps a relative raise a his child, he has been a part of the system that reproduces his genes. You see, our relatives are part of our genetic makeup, thus helping them to survive and reproduce is part of the system. This is why ants have large groups of worker ants that never procreate.
If Bud Bundy helped to raise a child Kelly Bundy produced, he would be propagating many of his own genes by way of helping them to survive. Reproduction needs survival of the offspring for the gene pool to continue. You forget that critical part, survival.
Evolution has two major parts, procreation and survival. Leave half of the equation out and you just make no logical sense. Homosexuals can be integral in that half of the equation.
I have pointed this out before, but as usual, you ignore the facts and points that prove your claims as invalid.
Try actually addressing the points as if you have something solid to stand on. As of yet, you run from them on a regular basis as if your beliefs are weak and have no support.
I see your point on ants, but I don't see the relevance to humans. Do ants have the same sex drive? Do the workers engage in homosexuality? If so, is it because females aren't available?
Are you suggesting the role of human homosexuals is to help raise offspring of heterosexuals for the survival of our species?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107460 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You failed to demonstrate what the slippery slope of piercings were.
Piercings on an excessive level in our society have always been problematic for many careers. So I see no slip or slope.

Even if some things do have a slippery slope, which I can agree that it happens, you cannot claim gay marriage will certainly cause one. Now you can worry about it all you wish, but you have yet to demonstrate with logic and reason how gay marriage is comparable to bestiality.

Not all changes cause a negative slippery slope.
Perceived possible slippery slopes are not a good reason to keep rights or privileges unequal.

I have no doubt that those who made up the idea of keeping women out of the priesthood were worried about the slippery slope of women in power this might lead towards.
I thought you would have seen the changes in piercings for yourself so I didn't go into detail.
I watched it go from females with ears pierced to multiple piercings per ear to boys with earrings, then quickly to noses, tongues, cheeks, genitalia, to horns imbedded in foreheads, and eyebrow rings, belly button, lip, to literally all over. And also beauty mark piercings. Maybe you're right, it wasn't a slope, but more of a cliff.
Maybe you think this bettered society somehow?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107461 Jun 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
...
Are you suggesting the role of human homosexuals is to help raise offspring of heterosexuals for the survival of our species?
Evidence suggests this.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107462 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Even the four gospels of the new testament do not tell the exact same story. One does not even tell of Jesus coming back to teach. Kind of a large part to leave out if it actually happened. Funny part is, this was the first known gospel to be written.
It is as if a few decades later the Jesus coming back to teach was added to the original story.
When it was written doesn't matter does it?

I started a journal many years ago and then life happened quickly. I didn't have children the last time I wrote in it. But now I have children. Does that mean they don't exist because I didn't write about something that significant and life altering in my journal yet?
mantle

Buffalo, NY

#107463 Jun 24, 2013
I suffer fools gladly, therefore I am giving you my location. Your addled mind had you confused as usual. I am not whom I seem to be and certainly not who you think I am. LOL

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107464 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you are willing to pay more taxes for the medical professionals?

You do not have to directly tell someone to use violence to incite one to be violent.
The way you speak of homosexuality, you put it in line with crimes.
And we are not just talking about your personal kids. You are speaking on a world wide forum. You have opened up your views of this for all to see. And the way the Mormon church funded the agenda for prop. 8, you are part of the organization that conspires to demand those outside their church to follow your religious beliefs by way of law.
So when you now say you are against interference of others, I call bull. You seem to be in denial about so much.
When they did it at my school, they did not charge. 30 minutes out of their lives to prevent horrible outcomes was worth their time.

When things affect our family lifestyle, I do see fit that we get involved. Most others feel the same way. In this case in particular, you and I disagree on how our families will be affected.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107465 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I still fail to see any comparison with the piercings. Care to elaborate?

No one is trying to make bestiality legal, or marriage to animals recognized by the state.
Just what is the common thread bestiality have with gay marriage?
It sounds to me as if you are just repeating talking points that have no rhyme or reason to them.
Yet. You left out the word yet. So far we have seen every fetish under the sun become more and more acceptable in the disgusting world of porn that is now the number 1 industry in this nation. And you don't see a slope?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107466 Jun 24, 2013
mantle wrote:
I suffer fools gladly, therefore I am giving you my location. Your addled mind had you confused as usual. I am not whom I seem to be and certainly not who you think I am. LOL
Coincidentally, who he thought you were hailed from the same area you do.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107467 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You do not think their is conclusive evidence for evolution.
But if their was, what you would consider conclusive evidence, would that affect your stance one bit?

The evidence science has on the matter leads them to conclude it is innate for the time being. Now if you have some evidence to show the claim as wrong, lets see it.
Their is not many in the relating fields that think homosexuality is not innate. Maybe a tiny handful, that also think Noah's ark is real.

Schools teach the science that is of consensus with professionals, not the religious fanatics.

But the thing is, schools are mainly speaking of bullying homosexuals. Are you telling me that teaching this is wrong? Are you saying they should not condemn bullying?

No matter what your book of superstitions says about the matter, no scientific evidence shows one should be bullied about for their legal sexual preferences.

Now if you can show the schools are teaching something that is false, please show us, and be specific. Otherwise, you are just moaning about something that is likely not even happening.
I'm going to use a line that has been used on me for years: the burden of proof is on you.

As far as bullying, no I don't think it's right to bully the lifestyle choice of homosexuality. Or any other lifestyle choice. If one chooses to abandon modern life and retire to the mountains to live off the land, he will be thought of as weird and jokes will be made for sure, but that isn't right either. But I also don't expect this mountain man to try to get laws changed and expect everyone else to conform to his way of life either. Nor do I expect him to push for classes to be taught to the youth about his lifestyle choice to make it seem more acceptable to society.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107468 Jun 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Why can't science find a cure for cancer? Nature is complex.
But you just seem to expect science to pinpoint all the answers to all of the universe as if the universe was a simple machine.
I doubt a ton of money is being dumped into pinpointing homosexuality, as only the bigots are disputing its innate nature anyways.
Not as if evidence affects those who believe in Noah's ark anyways.

A person makes conclusions based upon the evidence. Well, a reasonable person does. No evidence points to homosexuality not being innate. All evidence points to it being innate.
Just as all evidence points to evolution being true, and none does not. Thus the evidence based person is likely to conclude homosexuality is innate. The superstitious may conclude otherwise.
All that said, still no one will admit there is conclusive evidence? Why?

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