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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 171877 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#107176 Jun 19, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should quit believing the lies of others just because they wear the same hat as you, then. Oh wait... I guess if you did that then we'd have nothing to talk about on this topic.

But really, quit being bad at the internet. I didn't make those links. I can't magically give you the PC-HIV just by linking you to a site. You should know this if you're even remotely literate. Regardless, if you think I'd try to steal your personal information you should realize that I don't need to use a malicious software to find out things about you. If one were inclined to actually find you out, you've given away enough that it's not at all necessary to do those types of things. Simple research would suffice.

So quit sticking your head in the sand and read the links, especially before attempting to comment on them.
Believing what lies of others?

Me not trusting you has nothing to do with my ability to surf the Internet. You have proven yourself to be malicious. That is the main reason I don't trust you or the links you post. There are other reasons as well.
Bottom line is if you want to talk to me, use your words. I don't need, or have time to follow links to your way of thinking. If you could prove yourself as someone worthy of respect, I might care about your way of thinking and where it comes from.
I've told you before, the way you speak to people and the way you try to bully your way to the top of some imaginary intelligence scale on here makes me want to be nothing like you. I don't like to be talked to that way, and I don't like to see others being treated that way. It is nothing more than middle school bully tactics that should be removed from society.
Start demonstrating yourself as someone that can respect others and maybe you'll start gaining the respect of others. Otherwise, don't expect me to respect links you throw out there.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107177 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
When you proportion to teach my children in public schools that gay marriage is fine, then we also have a problem.
Then we have problems.
Just so you understand why I post here. It is not that I am in need of your god. I am here protesting your beliefs due to the problems identified such as this one.
You discriminate, I protest.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#107178 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
But the reason faith in Christ has lasted over 2000 years is not because our parents believed it.
The reason Hinduism has lasted over 3500 years is not because our parents believed it. Yeah, that's a lie, too. The ONLY reason that you believe in Jesus is because somebody's parent did. Period.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
When you proportion to teach my children in public schools that gay marriage is fine, then we also have a problem.
If you go tellin my kids that they can mary a colored, thems fightin words!

No, YOU have a problem. It's called being a bigot. Allowing gay marriage IS fine. You don't have to support it in your home. You don't have to support it in your church. But you can not arbitrarily restrict the rights of any individual like our government has been illegally doing.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Believing what lies of others?
Me not trusting you has nothing to do with my ability to surf the Internet. You have proven yourself to be malicious. That is the main reason I don't trust you or the links you post. There are other reasons as well.
Bottom line is if you want to talk to me, use your words. I don't need, or have time to follow links to your way of thinking. If you could prove yourself as someone worthy of respect, I might care about your way of thinking and where it comes from.
I've told you before, the way you speak to people and the way you try to bully your way to the top of some imaginary intelligence scale on here makes me want to be nothing like you. I don't like to be talked to that way, and I don't like to see others being treated that way. It is nothing more than middle school bully tactics that should be removed from society.
Start demonstrating yourself as someone that can respect others and maybe you'll start gaining the respect of others. Otherwise, don't expect me to respect links you throw out there.
You're dense. The links aren't "my way of thinking". The links are information. You are choosing not to read it for entirely phony reasons.
And you need to quit playing the BS "bully card". Bullies abuse helpless victims that cannot defend themselves. Bullies do so not to prove any point, but simply the pleasure of hurting another person. Bullies are not concerned with logic or reason or the greater good.
Well, I'll assume that you aren't so mentally deficient that you cannot defend yourself against some words. I'll assume that you are capable of reading and seeing a clear point to my posts. I'll assume that you can gather that I am concerned with logic/reason/greater good. And therefore I think you're just trying to call me names in a way that doesn't appear to be an overt insult. I see through it.
And respect? Please. I will never respect your opinions on many things. I clearly see that they are malformed and essentially worthless to me or the rest of humanity, and you've provided exactly nothing that counters this. Sure, I respect your right to HAVE those opinions, but that doesn't make them valid, and it doesn't make you immune to being labeled "stupid" if the label is consistent with the opinion you throw out in public.

Sure, maybe Mike had a good point with:
"I understand you, and I know why you believe. I do not agree with it, but I do not think you are stupid for doing so. You were just brainwashed by the religion. It is very human to follow such things. The smartest people can be brainwashed."
And I can't really argue against that. I probably shouldn't call you stupid. Brainwashed, weak-willed, or something like that maybe. But stupid might not be the most appropriate to call the person. So if I call you "stupid" or the like, just know that it's a label applied to your opinions through you and may not necessarily reflect your actual level of intelligence (though I certainly have no evidence that it does not).

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107179 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Problem?
Not mine.

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#107180 Jun 19, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Blah blah- too long.
If people want to have a civil union with the same gender, I won't stop them. It's their choice. Nor would I stop someone from having relations with an animal outside of our specie. But I do take offense to it being taught to my children in public schools just as much as you object to the Bible being taught in schools.

And no, your definition of bully is incorrect. The victim is not always helpless. However, it modifies their state of mind to the point that it leaves emotional scars, even if the person can fight back. Even sibling bullying occurs and can cause the same damage. No one gives a rip about why you do it. Calling everyone morons and idiots because you deem yourself the standard model human and everyone should aspire to be like you, is still no reason to treat people like you do. I'm not just talking about me, I'm talking about almost everyone you type to on here. You don't believe in God, but you seem to have a God-complex. No one appointed you as the intelligence monitor. No one needs you to self appoint yourself to this role either. Regardless of why you think you should act this way, and justify to yourself, you are an Internet bully.
You don't hurt my feelings, so your self appointed mission is not accomplished. Just don't expect me to respect you or take your views to heart. I only model myself after people I respect. And the people I respect must have a sense of professionalism, regardless of their level of intelligence. You have your opinions. You are welcome to have them. Somehow you think you are immune to he problem most everyone else has, that they believe that only their opinion is right. So you judge people's opinions based off of your own views and feel it necessary to demean anyone that doesn't agree. As if your opinions are chiseled in stone in the halls of justice somewhere, and anyone that disagrees must be stupid, because they didn't read the writing on the halls of your imaginary building. Sorry, but just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's right, any more than the beliefs of other individuals. So it gives you no badge to wear that carries the authority to call others childish names or insult their intelligence.
Simpsons Kid

London, KY

#107181 Jun 19, 2013
"Sorry, but just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's right, any more than the beliefs of other individuals"
Ha Ha you said it brother.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#107182 Jun 19, 2013
Why is it that I take the time to quote and respond to every portion of your post, yet you snip mine and then ramble incoherently about random things in the post? That's rude, you hypocrite, and it makes you look like you don't have any valid response.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If people want to have a civil union with the same gender, I won't stop them. It's their choice. Nor would I stop someone from having relations with an animal outside of our specie. But I do take offense to it being taught to my children in public schools just as much as you object to the Bible being taught in schools.
But your taking offense is stupid and unjustified where mine is logical and well justified. It doesn't matter how offensive you think it is to allow other human beings to have equal rights. They have those rights and children should be taught that they have those rights. They should NOT be taught that it's "wrong" or it's "a sin" at school, because that's your religious crap. If you want to warp your children, do so at home (though, yes, I still do have a problem with that, but that's a different topic).
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
And no, your definition of bully is incorrect. The victim is not always helpless. However, it modifies their state of mind to the point that it leaves emotional scars, even if the person can fight back. Even sibling bullying occurs and can cause the same damage.
Glad you can follow what's hot at the AP this week and then inform me as if I hadn't already read it before you. Thanks.

Anyway, I did not define bullying. In no way was that some all encompassing definition. I was pointing out some traits of a bully. Your stupid assertions do not make me wrong.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No one gives a rip about why you do it. Calling everyone morons and idiots because you deem yourself the standard model human and everyone should aspire to be like you, is still no reason to treat people like you do. I'm not just talking about me, I'm talking about almost everyone you type to on here.
I don't "do it", moron. I do not bully. I attack stupidity. I don't care about the reaction of person on the other side of the internet from me. My goal isn't to cause suffering.
I am FAR from "standard model". I have no desire for anyone to be like me, and I don't call people names because they aren't. Your failure to understand does not make me a "bully", and the term wouldn't apply to somebody that apparently attacks everyone they see (as you claim I do) anyway.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't believe in God, but you seem to have a God-complex. No one appointed you as the intelligence monitor. No one needs you to self appoint yourself to this role either. Regardless of why you think you should act this way, and justify to yourself, you are an Internet bully.
You don't understand the term "god complex", idiot. Learn what something is before using it in a sentence.
I don't care about intelligence. How do you keep missing the point? It's not like I'm not saying it. A person with an IQ of 85 that is objective, actually attempts to reason things out, and isn't so stuck on some idiotic belief that nothing will sway them is already FAR superior to you.
Oh, and by the way... stop bullying me, hypocrite.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't hurt my feelings, so your self appointed mission is not accomplished. Just don't expect me to respect you or take your views to heart.
You are an idiot if you think I'm trying to "hurt your feelings". I don't care about your stupid feelings. Grow up. I also don't care if you respect me or "take my views to heart". You would be a better person if you'd "take my views to brain" and start saying things that make sense. But I don't care if you make any improvements. I'll keep hammering away when you say stupid or blatantly wrong things, regardless.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#107183 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I only model myself after people I respect. And the people I respect must have a sense of professionalism, regardless of their level of intelligence.
Oh, no... you aren't going to model yourself after me? I may cry, you cruel cruel bully.

Really though... who "models themselves" after others? I guess that goes along with religion, etc. No need to think for myself or be my own person when I can follow _______ book or do stuff like ________ person.

And "professionalism"? Really? You mean like when a person types a great amount to respond to your confused posts and then you ignore it and respond to 2-3 tidbits of the entirety? Yes, highly professional.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You have your opinions. You are welcome to have them. Somehow you think you are immune to he problem most everyone else has, that they believe that only their opinion is right.
Believing your own conclusions is not a problem, you dunce. It's a highly positive trait. And I have it in spades.
That said, there is a problem that many have. It's one step further... believing you are right and refusing to change your mind, regardless of evidence that invalidates or demonstrates the undue complexity of your conclusions. That is a severe problem, and it is absolutely one that I'm immune to. You don't fare as well.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So you judge people's opinions based off of your own views and feel it necessary to demean anyone that doesn't agree. As if your opinions are chiseled in stone in the halls of justice somewhere, and anyone that disagrees must be stupid, because they didn't read the writing on the halls of your imaginary building.
Really, you are just amazingly unable to get this. Using one's own conclusion as a tool to evaluate the conclusions of others is absolutely essential. But I don't just say "it's different than mine, therefore it's wrong", unlike you tools. I find where the logic broke down on the way to your conclusion, and if I can't, I seek more information. If I'm given information that invalidates my previous conclusion... so what? I'm not hung up on it. I just change my mind, say thanks, and continue on. Being "wrong" is not a problem for me as long as the previous wrong answer was consistent with the limited data set it was formed from.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's right, any more than the beliefs of other individuals. So it gives you no badge to wear that carries the authority to call others childish names or insult their intelligence.
Yes, again, you really really do not get this. You think I'm childish like you people and tell others that they are wrong because they are different. You think I have beliefs that don't change regardless of any information supplied. No. You are looking in a mirror and attempting to attribute your flaws to me. I have many flaws, but they have nothing to do with any of this. I mean, seriously... there is not a chance of you poking a hole in me on this. I am not just a facade of logic over a core of unreasoned stupidity. I am objective to the core. I reason everything out. I have an exceedingly malleable concept of reality, and I only accept what the evidence leads to.

And you really should stop trying to bully me by saying otherwise.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107184 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If people want to have a civil union with the same gender, I won't stop them. It's their choice. Nor would I stop someone from having relations with an animal outside of our specie. But I do take offense to it being taught to my children in public schools just as much as you object to the Bible being taught in schools.


Would you care to provide the title of the textbook that teaches civil union, marriage (either SS or M/F) or bestiality to children?
It isn't "bullying" to note when someone's reasoning is flawed.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107185 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If people want to have a civil union with the same gender, I won't stop them. It's their choice. Nor would I stop someone from having relations with an animal outside of our specie. But I do take offense to it being taught to my children in public schools just as much as you object to the Bible being taught in schools.
.
And this is why we debate against you and your superstition.
Just as when your superstition mandated no black persons should be allowed in the priesthood, the schools did not wait for your church morals to catch up to societies. Schools taught that blacks were equal in all ways and should have equal rights. They taught that picking on them was wrong.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107186 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
It is a shame that you did not learn to recognize the promptings of the Spirit. From the outside looking in, I understand it appears that way. But the reason faith in Christ has lasted over 2000 years is not because our parents believed it.
The good news is, it is never too late. All you need is the desire to know Jesus Christ. Soon your faith can grow and you can understand how others came to know that Christ is real. But again, no one can do it for you.
No, it's because you were indoctrinated into it because your parents were also indoctrinated. It's called "the cycle of abuse." Other religions, those which did not need to indoctrinate people, lasted a lot longer than 2,000 years.

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#107187 Jun 19, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Why is it that I take the time to quote and respond to every portion of your post, yet you snip mine and then ramble incoherently about random things in the post?
You post novels. To the point that I can't respond and leave everything in there, or it tells me I'm over my character limit. And cutting and pasting is difficult on my phone, and frankly, you aren't worth the effort.

My response was appropriate and accurate. You are a bully. And no one cares what you think about them. Your childish rants make you look small. Ironic you say "grow up" when that's what was going through my head the whole time I was reading your response trying to justify how you aren't a bully. I pointed out traits of a bully too. You display them. If you did it in person, you would have your tail handed to you quickly. If you did it in school, your parents would be notified, and you would be counseled for your behavior. Instead, you cower behind anonymity and say it isn't bullying. Regardless of what definition you would like to apply to the term, you cannot redefine "bully" and say you don't fit the description. Regardless of what intentions you have for displaying this behavior, coupled with the ridiculous arrogance, we all see a bully that demeans others while self proclaiming superiority over all.

You say you don't care, however you get so upset that I don't click your little links. Well, now you know why.

And I have no idea what AP you are talking about.

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#107188 Jun 19, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Yes, again, you really really do not get this. You think I'm childish like you people and tell others that they are wrong because they are different. You think I have beliefs that don't change regardless of any information supplied. No. You are looking in a mirror and attempting to attribute your flaws to me. I have many flaws, but they have nothing to do with any of this. I mean, seriously... there is not a chance of you poking a hole in me on this. I am not just a facade of logic over a core of unreasoned stupidity. I am objective to the core. I reason everything out. I have an exceedingly malleable concept of reality, and I only accept what the evidence leads to.
Ironic you pull the same thing you accuse others of (I know you are but what am I?). But you call others hypocrites. That's irony.

Professionalism involves respectful presentation of an argument, not how long your argument is.

No, it isn't a trait, it is arrogance. Using your own conclusion to judge others aggressively by calling them stupid and morons, is not grounded by fact, only your conclusion (opinion). So therefore, you have to demean others to convince them that their opinion is wrong and yours is right, and you throw around the word logic as if it had anything to do with it.

No no, don't get me wrong, I never made mention that you couldn't change your mind. I'm only talking about your childish, bully method of presenting your arguments. You're taking this down some other rabbit hole that I don't care about. I'm just explaining why you are a bully and why no one really cares how great you think you are (and it started with why I don't click your links). I really couldn't care less how often you change your mind. That wasn't even a topic I was concerned with. Use that concept of reality to self diagnose your ridiculous behavior towards others and apply it to the logic that society doesn't need it.

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#107189 Jun 19, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Would you care to provide the title of the textbook that teaches civil union, marriage (either SS or M/F) or bestiality to children?
It isn't "bullying" to note when someone's reasoning is flawed.
When homosexual relationships was introduced in my classroom, it was not in a textbook. They brought in a family unit to talk to us about how they function.

My point about beastiality is that it will be next. I even heard about it on the radio this morning driving to work that some dude wants to marry his goat now. Unfortunately, this wasn't a joke.

No, you are correct, there is no problem when someone objects to an opinion, until they start using their own opinion as if it were fact and proceed to call others names in the process. This is a common theme that presents itself quickly with this poster on almost every thread. It is tiring to see over and over.

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#107190 Jun 19, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And this is why we debate against you and your superstition.
Just as when your superstition mandated no black persons should be allowed in the priesthood, the schools did not wait for your church morals to catch up to societies. Schools taught that blacks were equal in all ways and should have equal rights. They taught that picking on them was wrong.
Sorry, but I can't agree that homosexuality does not go against nature. There is no proof that people are born gay. Therefore, I do not want schools teaching that to my children in school.

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#107191 Jun 19, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, it's because you were indoctrinated into it because your parents were also indoctrinated. It's called "the cycle of abuse." Other religions, those which did not need to indoctrinate people, lasted a lot longer than 2,000 years.
Your opinion. I see why you say that, but I disagree.

What religions do you think are free of what you call indoctrination?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107192 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but I can't agree that homosexuality does not go against nature. There is no proof that people are born gay. Therefore, I do not want schools teaching that to my children in school.
So you think homosexuality is supernatural.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107193 Jun 19, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Your opinion. I see why you say that, but I disagree.
What religions do you think are free of what you call indoctrination?
I did not state opinion.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#107194 Jun 20, 2013
Shunned wrote:
This is a random post and I apologize up front for my rambling but I'm here seeking opinions that are like/similar to my own. I grew up in church, it was a wonderful place where I was educated about this extraordinary man, Jesus Christ, who performed miracles and saved souls.
However, during that time, as a child, I went through periods of verbal and sexual abuse from relatives and bullying in school from other children. I wondered where the good lord was at when I was dealing with this. I was such an innocent good child at that time who did not deserve the treatment I received but received no help whatsoever from the good lord.
Out of pride and embarrassment, I kept a lot of what happened to me a big secret until nearly a year ago because there were others I felt I needed to protect from a few of these animals. Now the secrets are out and I've been having to deal with them all over again. I've prayed for healing for such a long time but the emotional pain I've felt refuses to go away. And I'm still waiting on the good lord.
The emotional scars dished out to me hindered my confidence build up for years. I've been single all my life. It's torture, it's a living hell. I have managed to have earned a college degree and have been a very dedicated employee with a decent salary but have had to deal with a lot of political ass kissing bullshit.
All this negative stuff has been compounding and I can't shake it off no matter how hard I try. Where's the good lord?
I'm at a point in my life that I'm ready to officially cut ties with all friends and family and only deal with people I only have to deal with. All I ever wanted was status along with the American Dream. But all I have despite my efforts are emotional scars from the verbal/physical abuse. I've done my best to be a good person. I haven't hurt a soul but I have a heart that is crushed. I want this hurt to stop, I never asked for it, I prayed for the good lord's help but still feel void of it.
I should be a happily married soul with children and a good job, but life has flown half way by and part of that equation is empty despite having friends and to some extent, family. Trying to please so many not including myself has cost me a lot of happiness. Shame on me.
I feel absolutely pathetic, I feel as if I was brought into this world to be a whipping post and I hurt so bad for that. Where's the good lord?
I apologize for my yapping but I needed to vent anonymously and found the safe place to do it. I'm at the point where I'm on the verge of cutting out the rest of my family and friends from my life. I'm so tired of hurting. It's a tragedy to think I know what my purpose in the world is only to not have a clue when push comes to shove.
Thank you for taking the time to read this. I appreciate all the comments made both good and bad from those who choose to remark back to me.
Have a good evening.
I notice that a lot of others have replied. I second the suggestion that therapy could help. Therapy is basically hashing out your problems with an impartial third party who is trained to help you do it. Well worth the effort, and sometimes necessary.

It sucks that these things happened to you. Sounds like the reactions of people in your life are not helping matters.

You can follow whatever path you prefer but keep in mind that the religious suggestions have only one agenda: converts and souls. Religion is only concerned about the afterlife, not the right here and now. Sounds like you need help working through the right here and now.

Good luck to you, friend.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107195 Jun 20, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's because you were indoctrinated into it because your parents were also indoctrinated. It's called "the cycle of abuse." Other religions, those which did not need to indoctrinate people, lasted a lot longer than 2,000 years.
All religions are due to indoctrinations of some sort. The fact 80% of all religious persons, worldwide follow the religion of their parents is not a coincidence.

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