Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,615

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#107088 Jun 17, 2013
Prayer wrote:
My walk with God is between me an God. Everyone needs to live it for there self.
I agree! Although some here have been proven a Hypocrite!
curious

Ocoee, FL

#107089 Jun 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Reminds me of a quote in another forum.
The poster remarked that he often wondered why old Yahweh didn't take a couple more days during his creation of mankind so as to make a better human being.
Nothing worse than shoddy workmanship.
Do not blame God for your poor mental condition.
It is each one's personal resposibility to provide one's mind with spiritual maintenance. To not do so,leads to a defective mind....
Where foolishness prevails,where one may be led to conclude that life emanated spontaneously,from non living matter,by accident.
Where one may be led to conclude that;
If you ever wondered about the origin of intelligence in humans and other mammals, here's the answer from a team of researchers led by Professor Seth Grant of the University of Edinburgh.

A genetic accident experienced by an invertebrate sea animal, about 500 million years ago, led to extra copies of brain genes being made. These extra genes benefited the sea animal's descendants, leading to behaviorally sophisticated vertebrates, including humans, suggest the scientists.
The rationality contained in these beliefs can only be explained and understood by foolish minds,but,as with all foolishness,have no place in the real world.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#107090 Jun 17, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Change human nature? How about just try and control human nature with some good understanding of human nature and some good philosophy?
Hard to control what you do not understand. Science is good for understanding.
What makes no sense to me is, why would a god make men with such a nature in the first place?
God provided us with a nature that needs spiritual maintenance in order to function properly.
That maintenance is provided by following god's intructions;

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

If one fails to do that and permits ones human desires to control him,then that opens the door for immorality,selfishness and greed to control us.
In order to correct that condition,we need guidance from Christ and the comforter,which he promised.
Those who have asked for and received the Holy Spirit can attest to it's power...
Those who have not,can speculate,based on their nonknowledge,and concoct misinformed opinions on a subject they are unable to grasp or comprehend......
of course,Unbelievers will ask for evidence....
Unable and unwilling to seek it for themselves...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#107091 Jun 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not a "formula," that's called a scam.
I imagine that one with no moral code,would interpret it in such a mannner....
But,we ignore those with no moral compass....
They are lost and travelling on the road to nowhere.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107092 Jun 17, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Not if budgets were actually ADHERED to (and adjusted accordingly)
Are you done with your worship practice of licking the givverment bootheels for today now?
Common sense doesn't mean I'm licking any bootheels. There is a ton of waste in gov't, no doubt about it - your proposal just make a chronic problem 10x worse. Most waste comes from the Peter Principle, bureaucratic BS, back-scratching, administrative mini-kingdoms and territory disputes.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#107093 Jun 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You Atheists make foolish comments and then complain when you are called fools.
You have explained nothing,there is no such oath
There is nothing in the teachings of Christ that reequires that one take an oath to follow and keep the 10 commandments.
That is Atheist propaganda in an attempt to deny our need for Jesus Christ.
Neither you,or the other Atheists are able to understand or grasp that which is spiritual,yet,that which you neither believe or understand,you foolishly keep teying to explain and interpret.
Only a fool tries to explain and make sense out of that which is beyond their ability to comprehend.
Now,because I am calling you foolish,based on the facts,you complain that I am being judgemental.
It is not I that is judging you,it is your foolishness and corrupt nature that speaks volumes and attests to your ignorance of that which you do not understand.
In your search for wisdom,your mind has deceived you and have blindly followed the road to foolishness.
Your futile efforts have led you nowhere.
Never took an oath.
I Beleive in God and Christ. I confess him as my saviour.
He paid the debt I could not pay,by his death on the cross and by his stripes I am healed...
It is amazing how those who do not believe in Christ or understand his teachings feel qualified to tell believers how they need to lead their lives in order to please Christ.
What we have here is,those who are spiritually blind,trying to lead those who have had their spiritual sight restored by Jesus Christ.
Like my uncle used to say;
Do not let a blind man drive your car,he will only wreck it
You are quite amusing! So by your statement, All you need to do is Believe in God and Christ, confess him as Savior, and that's it? You can continue to live your life just like before, because that's exactly what you have portrayed here; you are intentionally calling names, twisting one's statements completely around to fit into your frame of thinkimg, Lieing!, Cursing!, and pointing fingers, calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a fool! Remind us all again what the Bible says about calling one a "FOOL". Refusing and/or denying to follow basic instructions Set by the very one YOU Confess as Savior! Again....If you were put on trial for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you! lol

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107094 Jun 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Do not blame God for your poor mental condition.
It is each one's personal resposibility to provide one's mind with spiritual maintenance. To not do so,leads to a defective mind....
Where foolishness prevails,where one may be led to conclude that life emanated spontaneously,from non living matter,by accident.
Where one may be led to conclude that;
If you ever wondered about the origin of intelligence in humans and other mammals, here's the answer from a team of researchers led by Professor Seth Grant of the University of Edinburgh.
A genetic accident experienced by an invertebrate sea animal, about 500 million years ago, led to extra copies of brain genes being made. These extra genes benefited the sea animal's descendants, leading to behaviorally sophisticated vertebrates, including humans, suggest the scientists.
The rationality contained in these beliefs can only be explained and understood by foolish minds,but,as with all foolishness,have no place in the real world.
There you go again, talking about spirituality and not evincing a mote, talking about science and not comprehending an iota.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107095 Jun 17, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
I look at some of that kind of stuff with a little more open mindness, and far more realistically I think.
If people decide "something" like that--whatever-- is a GOOD thing for them-and it works okay for them, and IS good for them- and it is NOT harming anyone elseOR themselves--why would anyone even want to condemn it?
Just because it doesn't "conform" to their OWN ignorant "cookie cutter shape" of LIMITED, narrow mindeded judgeMentalness?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh-NOPE. NO thanks.
And don't EVEN try and tell me "how" to vote either.
(Are ya scared one of them might drop some sanctified holy liquid on ya or something?? Ya weeanie).
Don't tell you how to vote? LOL! Do you think for a moment that churches don't create and endorse voter "guides?" I don't tell you what to think or what to do. I don't even tell curious or YaA that - I tell them TO think and to NOT forsake spiritual principles. I can and will point out when someone is being duplicitous, facetious, irrational, and in your case, captious.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#107096 Jun 17, 2013
Better yet! If you were put on trial for being a hypocrite would there be enough evidence to convict!
lol

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107097 Jun 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I imagine that one with no moral code,would interpret it in such a mannner....
But,we ignore those with no moral compass....
They are lost and travelling on the road to nowhere.
ROFL! "Moral compass?"
"...I was not making a lot of money,I learned to scheme,planned car accidents,so I could sue,stole a blank baptisimal certificate,used that to establish a phony identification,used that to establish credit and defrauded anumber of clothing and furniture stores. Raised additional cash by borrowing $3000. from HFC...."

You don't know anything about the other Topix participants except what you've read in their posts, yet you are their judge and jury solely according to your un-evidenced spiritual redemption and a myopic interpretation of the Bible? You are squinting in the dark to misread a map that's thousands of years old upside down.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#107098 Jun 17, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
ROFL! "Moral compass?"
"...I was not making a lot of money,I learned to scheme,planned car accidents,so I could sue,stole a blank baptisimal certificate,used that to establish a phony identification,used that to establish credit and defrauded anumber of clothing and furniture stores. Raised additional cash by borrowing $3000. from HFC...."
You don't know anything about the other Topix participants except what you've read in their posts, yet you are their judge and jury solely according to your un-evidenced spiritual redemption and a myopic interpretation of the Bible? You are squinting in the dark to misread a map that's thousands of years old upside down.
Foolish one,I am neither their judge or jury.
It is God who judges them as he judged me.I claim no self righteousness,as evidenced by my confession,which you posted above.
Not only that but,I admit to my fallen human nature as described in the following;God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
That I was controlled by the abovementioned desires before I came to know Christ,I have no problem in admitting.
That God,Christ and the Holy Spirit changed the way i conducted my life previouysly,is a fact.
That you are unable to comprehend that change,seems fairly obvious.
That you are attempting to negate that change by claiming that I am not perfect is absurd. I have never claimed to be perfect.
You claim that my belief and trust in Christ is invalid because I
call you foolish for not believing in God.So the Bible says,The fool has said in his heart,There is no God.
The fact that I do not repeatedly turn the other cheek when continuously called a moron,does not negate God's word,simply confirms my human weakness.
I know the change that God has wrought in my life.
Nothing that can be said or done by unbelievers can change that

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107100 Jun 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I imagine that one with no moral code,would interpret it in such a mannner....
But,we ignore those with no moral compass....
They are lost and travelling on the road to nowhere.
You support stoning children, you have no room to measure other people's ethics.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107101 Jun 17, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Foolish one,I am neither their judge or jury.
It is God who judges them as he judged me.I claim no self righteousness,as evidenced by my confession,which you posted above.
Not only that but,I admit to my fallen human nature as described in the following;God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
That I was controlled by the abovementioned desires before I came to know Christ,I have no problem in admitting.
That God,Christ and the Holy Spirit changed the way i conducted my life previouysly,is a fact.
That you are unable to comprehend that change,seems fairly obvious.
That you are attempting to negate that change by claiming that I am not perfect is absurd. I have never claimed to be perfect.
You claim that my belief and trust in Christ is invalid because I
call you foolish for not believing in God.So the Bible says,The fool has said in his heart,There is no God.
The fact that I do not repeatedly turn the other cheek when continuously called a moron,does not negate God's word,simply confirms my human weakness.
I know the change that God has wrought in my life.
Nothing that can be said or done by unbelievers can change that
Spare me the reams of cut and paste - I've already read it.
"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

I don't claim that the escapades of your teens and twenties negates changes in your life. I'm just reminding that you're in no position to cast stones at people you've never met from high atop a religious pedestal. Often as not, you're the provocateur in the exchanges - which I'm quite alright with as long as you're honest about it. The banter and trade which peppers the exchange of ideas is what keeps the thread interesting.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107102 Jun 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Look it up if you don't believe me. Relief effort by religious groups is very easy to find.
You made the claim. The onus of evidence is upon you.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107103 Jun 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I am a Christian. I always have been. The only difference is I do not believe it is right to tell God He can't speak to us anymore because we already have His Bible.
So you were a Christian before you knew what a Christian was?
All babies are atheist.
But of course you followed the beliefs of your parents (Christian) just as 80% of all humans do. This is why religion is geographical.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107104 Jun 17, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry but I didn't follow my peers on this matter, or my family. I studied the religion from people who live it, just like I always did with every religion I studied. And this was the only religion I researched that I received an answer that I cannot deny was outside of my head or capabilities.
You are a Christian. I have zero doubt your parents were Christian and their parents were Christian and so on for many generations.
Now your particular flavor of Christianity is a bit different, but the general denomination is the same.
If you live in America, your peers are also Christian.
I would be surprised if you had many Muslim friends. The way you speak of atheists, you clearly have no atheist peers.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107105 Jun 17, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
How do some totally scientific minds temporarily explain severe thunder and lightning in wee early morning hours to scared witless three year olds, unable to yet grasp the natural concepts of occurence?
"Angels bowling in heaven"...and a grounding rod.
How "horrible" of them huh?
(I think not).
Actually, telling a kid the storms are of some sort of spirits can be very scary. Kids often think the spirits are out to get them like a boogie man.
You can lie to your kids if you wish, but I think the truth is better in this case. It might actually help them understand their world instead of confusing them.
Thunder is nothing but the sonic boom created from lighting cutting through the air. The sound is harmless.
I often conduct little experiments in thunderstorms. I will shake my fists at the sky and dare god to strike me down.
I often see my friends scatter. I get a good laugh out of it.
But then I ask them if they really think a god is controlling lighting. They often realize at that moment how silly they are being.
The lies their parents told them do not shake easily.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107106 Jun 17, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
How do some totally scientific minds temporarily explain severe thunder and lightning in wee early morning hours to scared witless three year olds, unable to yet grasp the natural concepts of occurence?
"Angels bowling in heaven"...and a grounding rod.
How "horrible" of them huh?
(I think not).
I hear in the old days, the religious would sometimes not put up lightning rods and called the people who did, sinners who were trying to divert the will of god.
How silly is that?
Lets not pass on this silliness to our kids.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107107 Jun 17, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
How do some totally scientific minds temporarily explain severe thunder and lightning in wee early morning hours to scared witless three year olds, unable to yet grasp the natural concepts of occurence?
"Angels bowling in heaven"...and a grounding rod.
How "horrible" of them huh?
(I think not).
Likely how god was invented.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107108 Jun 17, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Stupid, but not horrible. It's fairly harmless at that age. Kinda like Santa, but you must be proactive and tell them the truth when they can understand it.
What's horrible is when you tell them impossible fairy tales that they believe and continue to do so into adulthood, never allowing them to question its validity and threatening them with eternal torture if they try to. Then the poor child wanders through life believing in things they have absolutely no reason to, instead of reality, and wastes a significant amount of their finite existence doing the things that they think their fairy tale requires and brainwashing the next generation into doing the same.
So, yeah, I think that people shouldn't believe in Zeus (or any other Greek God), and they certainly shouldn't tell their children to. Very horrible.
I think even the Santa story confuses them of reality. Reality needs to be instilled at a young age.
Santa may seem harmless, but the idea of magic does nothing but confuse one from reality.
Perpetrating a lie for years and years upon your children is never the healthy way to go.

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