Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,213

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107004 Jun 16, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Diatomaceous Earth kills bed bugs and about all hard shelled bugs and it's totally non toxic... Also Cock Roaches... If you want to get rid of Bed Bugs turn loose a bunch of cock roaches, then went the bed bugs are gone kill of the roaches....
lol Luckily, I never had the bed bugs .... or cockroaches for that matter .... pretty much never had a pest problem in my entire life.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#107005 Jun 16, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
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So your excuse for acting, or calling names is:(they call me names so I respond in kind) that's bullchit. They have not taken a covenant or oath to God, you have! I have Just one last question: If you were put on trial for being a Christian, Would there be enough evidence to convict you???
First of all,Atheists are the least qualified to pass judgement on my behaviour.
What goes on between me and God,is between me and God.
Can you explain this oath or covenant that I have taken?
Do you believe in Christ or do you deny him?
Your attempts to make me feel guilt are futile.
Fuggedaboutit.......

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107006 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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curious wrote:
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So,when you commit a selfish,illegal or immoral act,which you know will hurt the recepient of that act and possibly others,you go ahead and do it anyway,and are able to live with yourself,because you feel guilty,after the fact.
If you knew it was wrong and people were going to be hurt,Why did you do it in the first place?
What does that make you?
A banker.
Or ,more than likely, an idiot Atheist,masquerading as a fool
Don't preach to me about immorality and unethical behavior, Bonzo. I have never even contemplated defrauding insurance companies and merchants.
You associate immoral behaviors with non-theists, even when it is known that most criminals, do profess some belief in God.
In your mind, "Atheist" is a four letter word. Each time you pronounce someone as a non-believer, in your mind you are cursing reviling them - and often it is simply because you disagree with what they have said, not in 'defense' of your views or in 'defense' of mudslinging.
Do you think that the bailouts were necessary because the banking practices were above board? Do you think that the mortgage crisis was caused by the borrowers and not the lenders? Buy a clue.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107007 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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I was not the one to accuse Yiagio of being a pedophile,nor would I.
You are now. Indirectly, but still accusing.
curious wrote:
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I have no evidence to support that allegation.
And yet, you don't mind repeating it. Why is that?
curious wrote:
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It was an Atheist accusing another Atheist based on State laws.
True, it was an atheist accusing another atheist (based on a bad interpretation of state law), but what does atheism have to do with it?
curious wrote:
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I did not throw the first stone,nor did I participate in that exchange. It was of no interest to me.
Really? If it was of no interest to you, then why did you bring it up now? I guess you think you're being clever by using the "I didn't start it" argument. But you're not fooling anyone.

If a newspaper printed an article intentionally containing a false accusation, even if they weren't the initiator of the accusation, that newspaper could be held libel. Do you not understand what the terms "slander" and "libel" mean?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107008 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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What goes on between me and God,is between me and God.
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Apparently not. If that were true, you wouldn't be on this forum shoving your opinion about what goes on between you and your god down everyone's throat. Now, would you?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107009 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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First of all,Atheists are the least qualified to pass judgement on my behaviour.
What goes on between me and God,is between me and God.
Can you explain this oath or covenant that I have taken?
Do you believe in Christ or do you deny him?
Your attempts to make me feel guilt are futile.
Fuggedaboutit.......
You support stoning children, anyone who does not is certainly qualified to judge you.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#107010 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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When I call them cunning and deceitful,I provide evidence to support that allegation...
When, who, and what evidence? This is the second time (that I've seen) in the last week that you've made this claim. I asked you to elaborate the last time, but you ignored my request... as I'm sure you will this time as well.
curious wrote:
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When they call me a moron,I respond in kind.
That's fine, but it doesn't make what you say any more intelligent.
curious wrote:
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I am not so sure that these acts are wrong,that is your view,not necessarily mine.
No curious. Right is right and wrong is wrong. When you lie, it's wrong. It's not arbitrary, it's just wrong.
curious wrote:
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Seems that the problem here is that,The Atheists are free to curse and insult as they please,with no restrictions,but,we as Christians are denied the opportunity to defend ourselves.....
You just admitted that you can't defend your arguments without insulting and cursing (and apparently deceit).

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107011 Jun 16, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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My point was one cannot compare "volunteerism" to the paid givverment roles.
And some of us well realize, that in either realm, some just give wayyyyyy more than what they'll ever be monetarily compensated for....mostly because they're doing such for FAR nobler reasons, than just self serving greed.
If churches actually volunteered as much as they claim, their would be no need for help from the government.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107012 Jun 16, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You apparently missed what started this conversation. Umm said that religious have done nothing for humanity. Understand now why I was pointing out just the relief effort that Christians have provided?
None of this makes your statements of the issue, true.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107013 Jun 16, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>On that note...
I know you've never WORKED in the sciences, and ONLY know what you've read, written by MAN!
I know God is real... and you hate that!
I do not accept all scientific claims blindly as you do what the bible says. That is the difference.
Also, I know that science has some checks and balances, were as the bible has absolutely zero.
Science can alter its position when new evidence is found, the bible cannot.
Science asks nothing from me, but the bible does. The bible demands you behave as they command, without question. This is a dangerous recipe.

Thanks for showing all how much you demean science. It is the one trend that is consistent with all superstitions. It is a major reason I oppose religion.
So just keep in mind as you demean science, it only fuels my ambition to show religion for the superstition that it is. This is why religion is waning. Your fight against science is only hurting your ambition to recruit members.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107014 Jun 16, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.letusreason.org/Testim5.htm
read this, or are you afraid to learn more?
BTW I've asked, and received wisdom from the Lord, I still ask on occasion... NEVER did He say I should read the BOM!
Praying for wisdom for you, as you said... never give up on the ones you love!:-)
It is as if the voice you call a holy ghost is just your own thoughts.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#107015 Jun 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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lol Luckily, I never had the bed bugs .... or cockroaches for that matter .... pretty much never had a pest problem in my entire life.
I have... right here in this thread....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107016 Jun 16, 2013
do whut wrote:
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In some cases you have to do your part first. Which would be to read it, then ask if it is true.
Would you expect an atheist to accept the Bible as truth before they read it?
If you read a book and it convinces you it is true, then of course the answers your brain supplies is going to affirm this belief. You might thing a ghost is speaking to you, but it clearly just your own brain doing what it does.....it thinks.
This is why people who live in the middle east read the Koran and believe it. Their peers all believe and insist they believe, just as you do. Humans tend to follow their peers.
Look at a world map of religion and this stands out clearly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prevailing_...

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107018 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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Seems that we have 2 powers working in our human nature.
We are able to discern right from wrong.There is something within us that would have us do that which is right,but,there is also a need to fulfill the selfish, illegal and immoral thoughts and desires that control our human nature and we do that which we know we shouldn't and don't want to do
In the process we device treacherous schemes in order to fulfill those needs,that we know,will hurt others,including those we claim to love .
We do not commit those acts out of ignorance,they are intentionally committed in order to satisfy that which we want.
We do this in secret,hoping we will not be found out.
When we achieve our objective,we have a feeling of accomplishment,not remorse.If confronted with our immoral or illegal act,we deny,we do not own up to them.
Those are facts,not figments of my imagination.
Watch the news,read the paper and look around you.
We judge others by their outward appearance,only to find out we have been deceived.
But also,we deceive others,by pretending to be,that which we are not...
You say that"We must use our brains for the understanding of why doing bad ultimately is not conducive to our happiness in the long run. Our short term pleasure seeking often makes us forget the long term happiness requirements."
That is precisely what we are unable to do and our actions confirm that.
Whether rich or poor,highly or of low intelligence,private or public sector or individuals in general,we are all afflicted by the same condition.
Those who absurdly claim they have never done anything to be ashamed of,are arrogant fools who are attempting to hide the many imperfections in their personalities which they are unable to face.
The only one in our history who has provided us with a solution to correct our defective human nature is Jesus Christ.
Those who have earnestly put his teachings into practice have found HIM to be true.
So,this idea that if one seeks forgiveness from whom he has offended will keep the offender from committing that act again,is not validated by the way we act.
In the first place,it's contrary to human nature,people do not like to admit they are wrong...
More importantly,some of the illegal and immoral acts we commit,we would not admit to having committed them,let alone seek forgiveness from those we offended.
Need I cite any examples of such?
Can a leopard change his spots?
If you feel pleasure from doing another person wrong, then you might be psychopathic. Their are more psychopaths in society than you might think.
People keep transgressions secret due to likely consequences. People deny guilt due to likely consequences. Testimonies show most feel burden over pleasure in these cases. Again, if you are psychopathic, these rules of thumb do not apply.

Many do wrong things in some hope of advancing themselves. This is one reason for the instinctive urges. But if one uses his conscious thought well, he should understand in the long run, happiness is not won by doing wrong.

I think the riches one might get by doing wrong does not ultimately make him happy. Philosophies like this needs to be taught and passed on. This is what humans do with their large brains.

Jesus may have tried to pass on some good philosophies. Problem is, when you feel they are all perfect, you run into problems.

BTW, most believers of Jesus do not always do good either. It is no magic recipe to be a good person. And unfortunately it sometimes makes you do wrong, in my opinion. Case in point, discriminating upon others.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107019 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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You say that"We must use our brains for the understanding of why doing bad ultimately is not conducive to our happiness in the long run. Our short term pleasure seeking often makes us forget the long term happiness requirements."
That is precisely what we are unable to do and our actions confirm that.
We are able to do this, but some do not try to do this. Understanding our instincts in a scientific manner helps one to control some of the urges to satisfy short term pleasures.
Understanding long term pleasure requires some forgetting of sort term pleasures is critical.
Understanding long term pleasures can be more fulfilling than a few short term pleasures is critical.
Understanding that long term pleasures gives one a deeper and more pleasurable sense of being is critical.
None of these require belief in a god. It only requires an understanding of our mind.

I think promises of an afterlife can motivate someone to a point to do good for long term pleasures, but it so often is such a far off distant reward, it is to hard for most to keep in mind for motivation.
My philosophy gives a person rewards in this life, in a relatively shorter term. This makes it easier to follow.

It is just easier to follow and is less likely to have the negatives of religion. Being easier to follow makes it more likely to be followed.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107020 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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The only one in our history who has provided us with a solution to correct our defective human nature is Jesus Christ.
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False. Many philosophers have provides us with solutions to correct our instinctive human nature.
Thinking only one man has done this is more of a problem than a solution.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107021 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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Those who absurdly claim they have never done anything to be ashamed of,are arrogant fools who are attempting to hide the many imperfections in their personalities which they are unable to face.
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Do you actually know someone who claims to have never done anything wrong? I sure have not, and do not expect to ever meet such a person.

Some people do lie to themselves about their wrongdoings though. Why? It is because it alleviates guilt. As I have been saying, guilt is the instinctive emotion that keeps us in check to a point. But yes, sometimes this can be somewhat override by self deception.
But unless on is a psychopath, he is likely unable to fully deceive himself of all guilt.
This burden of guilt is what prevents full long term happiness.
It will nag at you.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107022 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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So,this idea that if one seeks forgiveness from whom he has offended will keep the offender from committing that act again,is not validated by the way we act.
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It HELPS to keep one from offending. Nothing is a magic bullet, as I keep saying, but you clearly do not note.

You keep saying "we" but if one is not using this philosophy, you cannot claim it effective or none effective in your life.

I have used the philosophy of god and Jesus and found it to be less effective than the philosophies I speak of and now follow.

Do you even know anyone that is using my philosophy?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107023 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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In the first place,it's contrary to human nature,people do not like to admit they are wrong...
More importantly,some of the illegal and immoral acts we commit,we would not admit to having committed them,let alone seek forgiveness from those we offended.
Need I cite any examples of such?
Can a leopard change his spots?
Our short term happiness instinct is to keep wrongdoings a secret. But I would hope you are old enough or mature enough to have learned, admitting wrongdoings frees your guilt burden and gives one much pleasure.
I have learned this, and it drives my life for good. I hope you learn this one day and give it a try, if you do not already secretly know this but are just afraid to admit it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107024 Jun 16, 2013
curious wrote:
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Those who have earnestly put his teachings into practice have found HIM to be true.
Well Muslims would say the same of Mohammed. It might just seem good to you, but is it really good for others?
I say it is not good for those you discriminate against. It is not good for science.

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