Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,857

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#106927 Jun 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Rare, and I
d still say it's physiological, just as other quirks of nature!
Mutated genes can cause all sorts of anomalies!
Not all that rare ... at 0.033% to 0.05% of the US Population and far greater in some countries... And those numbers seem to be about constant throughout history ... With some local populations going much higher.... Such as Brazil and some villages in Turkey... Where rates range from .1 to .7%....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#106928 Jun 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Not "tax the givverment" ...just make it pay what everyone else has to.
IE: NO in particular, for example--sales-- tax exclusions.
It is fiscal nonsense to use budgets that came from taxes to pay sales taxes. It's "robbing from Peter to pay Paul." There is no gain in it.

Since: Aug 10

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#106929 Jun 14, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Read what I said. You don't get it. PEOPLE do these things. Religion does nothing but grab money before it can get to people who need it. The people try to do the good. With or without the religion, the people will do it. Your church doesn't have some magical ability to coordinate things that people would not have if religion did not exist. And almost ANYONE can do better with 7 billion dollars as is. The primary reason that so many religions push charity is to spread religion, NOT help people. Non-religious charities have no such ulterior motives.

One simply cannot justify religion by claiming credit for good things that good people do. As a mormon, you have even less justification for doing so, because your church may be the least helpful Christian religion of all (per dollar taken in). Compare to the Methodists for a real laugh. And besides:
http://www.adamsmith.org/sites/default/files/...
Can you say "inversely proportional"? Tell me that's not indicative of a negative influence.

Religion is a leech. Temples and books don't feed people. Mosquito nets and repellents are more important than dogma. Your church essentially kills people and you want credit because they spend .7% of their tax-free income feeding people who need it. I find it abhorrent.
Your statements are ridiculous. Kills people? Really?

Since: Aug 10

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#106930 Jun 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Yes we could use un altered wheat for bread... And we would starve... As our field would produce 1/10th the amount they produce now... For 1000's of years we had small population of people that lived to be 40 then died... Now if what you are suggesting is go back to all natural food stocks great, just fill a few mass graves with about a hundred million people here in the US and we can do it.... But you have to also let a Billion or so die around the world also....

What you wish might have worked a 1825 when the world population was about 1 Billion people.... Today it's almost 7 Billion with 300 Million in the US... Natural Food Stocks would kill a Billion people...At the very least....
We don't have to go all natural but we should regulate the things that we know are killing people.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get more out of crops by altering them, so long as it is regulated better to not put things in that knowingly harm people, or things that we aren't sure harms people or not. We are their lab rats in that case.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#106931 Jun 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.letusreason.org/Testim5.htm
read this, or are you afraid to learn more?
BTW I've asked, and received wisdom from the Lord, I still ask on occasion... NEVER did He say I should read the BOM!
Praying for wisdom for you, as you said... never give up on the ones you love!:-)
In some cases you have to do your part first. Which would be to read it, then ask if it is true.
Would you expect an atheist to accept the Bible as truth before they read it?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#106932 Jun 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Sometimes we do break laws, and yes, it might be due to some urges of our instincts. Instinctive behavior is not always good behavior in our human society. We must use our brains for the understanding of why doing bad ultimately is not conducive to our happiness in the long run. Our short term pleasure seeking often makes us forget the long term happiness requirements.
One must use the brain we evolved in full. Do not just do what your emotions feel at any given moment. We must always think of the consequences of our actions.
One consequence is just feeling guilty. I think this is an instinct we evolved to help us remember to be good. Again, not a magic bullet.
Seems that we have 2 powers working in our human nature.
We are able to discern right from wrong.There is something within us that would have us do that which is right,but,there is also a need to fulfill the selfish, illegal and immoral thoughts and desires that control our human nature and we do that which we know we shouldn't and don't want to do

In the process we device treacherous schemes in order to fulfill those needs,that we know,will hurt others,including those we claim to love .
We do not commit those acts out of ignorance,they are intentionally committed in order to satisfy that which we want.
We do this in secret,hoping we will not be found out.
When we achieve our objective,we have a feeling of accomplishment,not remorse.If confronted with our immoral or illegal act,we deny,we do not own up to them.
Those are facts,not figments of my imagination.
Watch the news,read the paper and look around you.
We judge others by their outward appearance,only to find out we have been deceived.
But also,we deceive others,by pretending to be,that which we are not...
You say that"We must use our brains for the understanding of why doing bad ultimately is not conducive to our happiness in the long run. Our short term pleasure seeking often makes us forget the long term happiness requirements."
That is precisely what we are unable to do and our actions confirm that.
Whether rich or poor,highly or of low intelligence,private or public sector or individuals in general,we are all afflicted by the same condition.
Those who absurdly claim they have never done anything to be ashamed of,are arrogant fools who are attempting to hide the many imperfections in their personalities which they are unable to face.
The only one in our history who has provided us with a solution to correct our defective human nature is Jesus Christ.
Those who have earnestly put his teachings into practice have found HIM to be true.
So,this idea that if one seeks forgiveness from whom he has offended will keep the offender from committing that act again,is not validated by the way we act.
In the first place,it's contrary to human nature,people do not like to admit they are wrong...
More importantly,some of the illegal and immoral acts we commit,we would not admit to having committed them,let alone seek forgiveness from those we offended.
Need I cite any examples of such?
Can a leopard change his spots?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106933 Jun 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Right. And I'm sure that's not at all why we have become one of the most unhealthy nations on the planet.
And we couldn't use wheat for bread if we didn't alter it? So all those thousands of years in history when wars were fought over wheat was to use it for what exactly?
Fail. We are living longer than at any other time in all of history, even in the US. All other nations use the same food sources we do in the US. The funny thing is how much you are picking and choosing bits of research that only support your paranoia, nothing from the facts. All we have is some supposed "obesity epidemic," and is based on an unscientifically devised system, using nothing more than correlation being causation, from 50 years ago.

We bred wheat a very long time ago, using primitive genetic modification, I already stated that, are you slow?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106934 Jun 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems that we have 2 powers working in our human nature.
We are able to discern right from wrong.There is something within us that would have us do that which is right,but,there is also a need to fulfill the selfish, illegal and immoral thoughts and desires that control our human nature and we do that which we know we shouldn't and don't want to do
In the process we device treacherous schemes in order to fulfill those needs,that we know,will hurt others,including those we claim to love .
We do not commit those acts out of ignorance,they are intentionally committed in order to satisfy that which we want.
...
What "powers?" Ethics has always been subjective, every culture has had different ideas of right and wrong, every culture. We refine our ethics and thus improve the laws, that's how a society advances. The theory of evolution gives mechanisms for how this advance benefits a species, and all emotions are pretty well understood in neurology and psychology.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#106935 Jun 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Speak for yourself. I feel guilt when I hurt someone, physically or emotionally. Psychopaths do not feel guilt.
So,when you commit a selfish,illegal or immoral act,which you know will hurt the recepient of that act and possibly others,you go ahead and do it anyway,and are able to live with yourself,because you feel guilty,after the fact.
If you knew it was wrong and people were going to be hurt,Why did you do it in the first place?
What does that make you?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106936 Jun 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
So,when you commit a selfish,illegal or immoral act,which you know will hurt the recepient of that act and possibly others,you go ahead and do it anyway,and are able to live with yourself,because you feel guilty,after the fact.
If you knew it was wrong and people were going to be hurt,Why did you do it in the first place?
What does that make you?
That's stupid. If you feel guilt you don't want to do it because of that feeling. Moron.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#106937 Jun 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
What "powers?" Ethics has always been subjective, every culture has had different ideas of right and wrong, every culture. We refine our ethics and thus improve the laws, that's how a society advances. The theory of evolution gives mechanisms for how this advance benefits a species, and all emotions are pretty well understood in neurology and psychology.
My good man or woman,whichever you are?
Debating this issue with you would be pointless as you would be unable to grasp or understand the issues involved.
After all,one,as yourself,who has claimed to never have committed an act for which you would feel any shame would have no idea regarding ever having committed an illegal or immoral act.
Either that ,or,having committed them,you felt no shame.
I think Duquette referred to such people as psychopaths.
I am making no accusations,just repeating what you have stated previously.....
Kinda reminds me of Yiagio,When Quantummist pointed out to him,that,based on the law,he was a pedophile, Yiagio set his hair on fire denying the allegations,based on his opinion of himself.
Human nature has a penchant for excusing it's illegal and immoral behaviour when it pertains to self,while condeming others for the same behaviour.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#106938 Jun 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>William Tyndale translated the Bible so that every man could read it...
They killed him for it, as they lost control of the populace!
Poke, poke, poke!
LOL
Now YaA , you need to be more specific.

Translated from what language to what language and into which version. And cite your resources man!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106939 Jun 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
My good man or woman,whichever you are?
Debating this issue with you would be pointless as you would be unable to grasp or understand the issues involved.
After all,one,as yourself,who has claimed to never have committed an act for which you would feel any shame would have no idea regarding ever having committed an illegal or immoral act.
Either that ,or,having committed them,you felt no shame.
I think Duquette referred to such people as psychopaths.
I am making no accusations,just repeating what you have stated previously.....
Kinda reminds me of Yiagio,When Quantummist pointed out to him,that,based on the law,he was a pedophile, Yiagio set his hair on fire denying the allegations,based on his opinion of himself.
Human nature has a penchant for excusing it's illegal and immoral behaviour when it pertains to self,while condeming others for the same behaviour.
Legality is the law, morals are subjective and not bound to anything, end of story. Ethics are better than morals because they evolve and get refined with each generation, but they are still very subjective. I have no broken any laws, and I have done nothing to feel guilty about.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#106940 Jun 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
It is fiscal nonsense to use budgets that came from taxes to pay sales taxes. It's "robbing from Peter to pay Paul." There is no gain in it.
Ohhhh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh oh my......is that like having budgets that come from taxes, to pay for expenditures that only recoup the initial base tax off the expenditures expended?
It is fiscal nonsense, to sales tax exempt such a huge monstrosity of SPENDING.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#106941 Jun 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't have to go all natural but we should regulate the things that we know are killing people.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get more out of crops by altering them, so long as it is regulated better to not put things in that knowingly harm people, or things that we aren't sure harms people or not. We are their lab rats in that case.
We have FDA and somewhere around 24,000 regulations concerning our food stocks... So what is it you think is being put into our food that is killing people?... Because if you can come up with Evidence that a company is inserting stuff that kills you i would think that would be kinda bad for future company sales... Genetically Altered crops have to go through many steps before they are allowed on store shelves and you stand a Much better chance of eating poisons on your local fruit and veggy stand that some local farmer grows and drags along side the road as that guy may have use all kinds of nasty stuff on his little garden...

I just don't like the large companies producing Hybrid crops as they do not produce viable seeds so the company has a monopoly on the seed stock for future grows but the end products are as safe as any crops...

But Specifically what stuff do you think companies are putting in food that will kill you? Maybe you have just not considered all the factors and some stuff some people say will kill you has been found to be good for you... Salt was one time good, then bad , then good, then bad..... Same with several things that have been bad for you at one time then later we are told it's good for you...
Georgia

Elizabethtown, KY

#106942 Jun 14, 2013
Bumpppo

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#106943 Jun 14, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Your statements are ridiculous. Kills people? Really?
Absorbs 7 billion in charitable donations. Gives 52 million to feed hungry people. How bad at math are you?

Do you realize the number of lives that could be saved by the amount of money that your church takes in under guise of charity and instead spends on ludicrous garbage that helps nobody? So, sure, not overtly killing if that's what you're hung up on. Just killing through neglect and waste/displacement of charitable funds to could otherwise save human lives.

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Since: Dec 11

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#106946 Jun 15, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Read what I said. You don't get it. PEOPLE do these things. Religion does nothing but grab money before it can get to people who need it. The people try to do the good. With or without the religion, the people will do it. Your church doesn't have some magical ability to coordinate things that people would not have if religion did not exist. And almost ANYONE can do better with 7 billion dollars as is. The primary reason that so many religions push charity is to spread religion, NOT help people. Non-religious charities have no such ulterior motives.
One simply cannot justify religion by claiming credit for good things that good people do. As a mormon, you have even less justification for doing so, because your church may be the least helpful Christian religion of all (per dollar taken in). Compare to the Methodists for a real laugh. And besides:
http://www.adamsmith.org/sites/default/files/...
Can you say "inversely proportional"? Tell me that's not indicative of a negative influence.
Religion is a leech. Temples and books don't feed people. Mosquito nets and repellents are more important than dogma. Your church essentially kills people and you want credit because they spend .7% of their tax-free income feeding people who need it. I find it abhorrent.
It is embarrassing how Europe makes the USA look in terms of social issues. And clearly god is not helping matters.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#106948 Jun 15, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
So,when you commit a selfish,illegal or immoral act,which you know will hurt the recepient of that act and possibly others,you go ahead and do it anyway,and are able to live with yourself,because you feel guilty,after the fact.
If you knew it was wrong and people were going to be hurt,Why did you do it in the first place?
What does that make you?
A banker.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#106949 Jun 15, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
So,when you commit a selfish,illegal or immoral act,which you know will hurt the recepient of that act and possibly others,you go ahead and do it anyway,and are able to live with yourself,because you feel guilty,after the fact.
If you knew it was wrong and people were going to be hurt,Why did you do it in the first place?
What does that make you?
It makes him human. The question you should be asking is what does he do after? I'm betting that his guilt drives him to make amends. I know that it would for me. You see, we don't have the luxury of blaming our horrible actions on demons or devils or on our interpretation of guidance from an invisible man in the sky.

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