Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,217

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“pervinco per logica”

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#106802 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I disagree. Look at how many organized help efforts for natural disasters are religion based.
No. You are conflating religion with people. People are what is good. There is nothing positive the religion produces that people would not produce without religion. It's a really obnoxious argument to pretend otherwise.

I won't deny that some religions mix in some positive with the oppression and mind control, so don't think I'm doing that. It's obvious to me that there is an amount of good that people do under the banner of religion. But it should be obvious to you that the argument you're tossing around is entirely fallacious, unless you believe that people are simply terrible if they don't join a religion.

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#106803 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
No. You are conflating religion with people. People are what is good. There is nothing positive the religion produces that people would not produce without religion. It's a really obnoxious argument to pretend otherwise.

I won't deny that some religions mix in some positive with the oppression and mind control, so don't think I'm doing that. It's obvious to me that there is an amount of good that people do under the banner of religion. But it should be obvious to you that the argument you're tossing around is entirely fallacious, unless you believe that people are simply terrible if they don't join a religion.
No, my argument is, without that establishment and common cause to gather and organize that type of effort, it would just be unorganized people trying to help where they can. And we see how the organized government efforts lack when they attempt this.
Not saying they wouldn't do anything. Communities come together sometimes too, but hardly ever as organized as when churches assign people to certain tasks or responsibilities. Our church is phenomenal at this. Streamlined to an efficient process. I was impressed when I learned of it. I've seen many local churches do the same type of response.
You can throw your negative junk around about mind control, but when the over all theme is charity and service, I wouldn't knock it. Or else we end up with selfishness, arrogance and negativity.

“See how you are?”

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#106804 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What essay?
You seriously can't do anything without selfish reasons?
In Clemmon's essay "What is Man", he contends that it is human nature that people act according to their perceived best personal outcome. While I don't strictly agree with it, the proposal has merits that agree with and describe the motives behind most actions. The overwhelming majority of people are selfish in an overwhelming majority of their decisions.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#106805 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No, my argument is, without that establishment and common cause to gather and organize that type of effort, it would just be unorganized people trying to help where they can.
Yes, because the world never organizes anything if religion isn't involved, right? Come on. If you can see how broken your argument is, I don't know if you can be helped.

The simple fact of the matter is that people who are inclined to help people will do so. And that means that they will organize to do so, as people are so adept at doing, with or without religion. I believe that people are good without having the hell myth hanging over their head. If I overestimate you, let me know, but for now I'll give you credit for having the innate capability of being moral and wanting to help your fellow man with or without LDS.

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#106806 Jun 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>In Clemmon's essay "What is Man", he contends that it is human nature that people act according to their perceived best personal outcome. While I don't strictly agree with it, the proposal has merits that agree with and describe the motives behind most actions. The overwhelming majority of people are selfish in an overwhelming majority of their decisions.
I must be a major outlier.

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#106807 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, because the world never organizes anything if religion isn't involved, right? Come on. If you can see how broken your argument is, I don't know if you can be helped.

The simple fact of the matter is that people who are inclined to help people will do so. And that means that they will organize to do so, as people are so adept at doing, with or without religion. I believe that people are good without having the hell myth hanging over their head. If I overestimate you, let me know, but for now I'll give you credit for having the innate capability of being moral and wanting to help your fellow man with or without LDS.
Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.

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#106808 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I must be a major outlier.
I don't think you grasp the premise. Maybe objective self perception is contrary to religious modes of thinking, maybe not.
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts...

“pervinco per logica”

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#106809 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.
Fallacious arguments do not prove points. They make you look stupid. Do you really not get my point?

Look at the total income of your own church. Look at the amount that actually goes to helping people. If that doesn't disgust you, punch yourself and look again. Repeat until appropriately disgusted. I mean, jeez... Wal-mart gives almost 2 billion a year in food charity. Is that a church? Compare that amount to your church.

Many of the people that donated that money expected it to do something that helps people. Almost all of it does no such thing. Religion is a leech. I don't care how well organized it is. If you used 1/2 of all church "income" to actually do good for people, then charitable spending would probably go up by an order of magnitude.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106810 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.
Without the scientists, there would be no food to send and no way to get it there.

As for an agency that is not religious, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, they often donate millions to very worthy and beneficial causes. You have already been informed of this, why do you so easily forget? Bill and Melinda are atheists.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106811 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Fallacious arguments do not prove points. They make you look stupid. Do you really not get my point?
Look at the total income of your own church. Look at the amount that actually goes to helping people. If that doesn't disgust you, punch yourself and look again. Repeat until appropriately disgusted. I mean, jeez... Wal-mart gives almost 2 billion a year in food charity. Is that a church? Compare that amount to your church.
Many of the people that donated that money expected it to do something that helps people. Almost all of it does no such thing. Religion is a leech. I don't care how well organized it is. If you used 1/2 of all church "income" to actually do good for people, then charitable spending would probably go up by an order of magnitude.
If they spent half of what they spend on temples to help the poor, there would be no poor in the US.

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#106813 Jun 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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You know what my test for God is,I have posted it many times.
The Atheist's lame excuses and absurd remarks, based on their ignorance of spiritual matters is what keeps all of you seeking an explanation for that which you claim does not exist.
Test for god:

1) Want there to be a god.
2) Believe what you want.
3) If 2) matches 1) then confirmed.

It's mathematical!

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#106814 Jun 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
"Officials worked with 25 other states during the past two years to develop the changes with input from teachers, college faculty, scientists and engineers. Proponents say the standards are key to improving science education, along with career readiness and Kentucky’s economy."

Those darn, pesky educators always trying to improve education! Darn them! Why didn't they ask my pastor first?

I love that "some conservatives" are angry about the new science standards. They keep railing against nature but nature keeps ignoring them. When will they figure out that the way the world works has nothing to do with their belief in magic?
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#106815 Jun 13, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Science is constantly growing and improving because knowledge is constantly growing and improving.
Certain sciences also hides evidence that disprove their theories... You know... Like Obama hiding behind Carney!
LOL
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#106816 Jun 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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You're kidding right? I know you're not, but oh how I wish you were. When I hear comments like these, I start to lose hope for humanity again.
http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christ ianity/0000ndxdarkages.php
Notice
"The Roman Christians from the fourth century"
in the first line, and replace that term with "Catholic"!
The catholic Bibles was in Latin, and the truth was held from lay persons!
Yes... They did a lot of damage in the name of "Their" god...
Not mine!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#106817 Jun 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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The arrrogance and self righteousness of Atheists is a clear indication of their foolishness.
God is not hiding,neither is Our Lord,Jesus Christ
God is willing to reveal himself to those who seek him,as you well know.
1)If you diligently seek me,You will find me
2)Come to me,you who are heavenly laden,and I will give you rest
3)I stand at the door and knock,If anyone hears my voice and opens the door,I will come in
4)If you keep my words,I will reveal myself to you
5)I HAVE NOT COME TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS,BUT SINNERS,TO REPENTANCE.
There is the formula for those who want to know God,including Scientists ,but,you already knew that....
Now,why would the arrogant and self righteous not seek God?
The answer is obvious,they would have to humble themselves,admit that they are sinners and that their definition of a "Good person"
is completely misguided.
Your human nature is faulty and defective,something Atheists are unable to come to grips with.
But,as the Atheist Kitten Kodder proudly proclaimed"I have never done anything for which I need feel ashamed"
You know what my test for God is,I have posted it many times.
The Atheist's lame excuses and absurd remarks, based on their ignorance of spiritual matters is what keeps all of you seeking an explanation for that which you claim does not exist.
Great post!
so true

United States

#106818 Jun 13, 2013
Top of the morning to you all. It is so funny how each day goes on , and the trails of it , seem to fade. May you each have a great one..
It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others..
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#106819 Jun 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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How I came to my belief in God,I have posted and you have already read.
Obviously you are not able to grasp or understand the process.
Yoy have to live and experience it for yourself.
No one can do it for you.
You know the formula,,,,All you need is the desire and courage to apply it...Otherwise,stop your complaining...
And,don't be afraid,,,,,Christ said, He who comes to me,I will in no wise cast out,,,He is true to his word...
Amen!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#106820 Jun 13, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Not one is supported by actual evidence of being a miracle and all fit well within natural explanations .... and most are just nuts like you trying to convince themselves that their delusion is not a delusion and thus will twist everything just to accomplish that.
Whatever you want to believe!
Good day!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#106821 Jun 13, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you want to believe!
Good day!
Yes, unlike you, I am not gullible, so I don't believe in any of your "miracles."

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#106822 Jun 13, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No, my argument is, without that establishment and common cause to gather and organize that type of effort, it would just be unorganized people trying to help where they can. And we see how the organized government efforts lack when they attempt this.
Not saying they wouldn't do anything. Communities come together sometimes too, but hardly ever as organized as when churches assign people to certain tasks or responsibilities. Our church is phenomenal at this...
Be sure to let the National Guard know how lacking their efforts are next time there's a major disaster, won't you? I'm sure they would love to hear your critique. You might want to stop by the hospital and remind the triage staff that your church could be doing everything a lot better if they would just get out of the way.

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