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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147224 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#106793 Jun 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>No, but I know people with 3rd and 4th century brains who wear hats.
Intriguing

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#106794 Jun 12, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>do whut wrote:
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I agree this isn't right. When was this? Was it a time when the country was still employing segregation? I know it isn't doctrinal.
I misunderstood the woman asked to cover up, and I can't find the original post now. What happened again?

Hard for you to get past the visual huh? lol
Hey life's a garden, dig it

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#106795 Jun 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Yup, call me old fashioned, but I'd rather watch Jeannie than Sister Wives. For that matter, there are days I think it would be better to watch a radio than hear it - especially since in these parts half of the radio stations claim to be the Voice of God.
I do agree that society has been greatly harmed by the "anything for a buck" media.
Yep, smut and crap sells

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#106797 Jun 12, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Call it god or call it doctrine, you believe the doctrine without question, thus you are believing in that god without question. If their doctrine is different then their god is somewhat different.
You dismiss their doctrine, why? Do you logic or blind faith?
I dismiss both of yours due to logic.
You really are just avoiding these hard questions.
Need I specifically ask why you dismiss the Hindu gods?
Of course I've had questions. I wouldn't have changed churches after researching so many if I didn't have questions.
I dismiss Islam and Hinduism because I have received a testimony that Jesus is the Christ. Neither of those religions teach that, so I can't believe in their doctrine. Many Hindus can't even tell you why they believe what they believe. Or why there are so many flavors of Hinduism.

How in the world am I avoiding hard questions? I have answered everything you have asked.

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#106798 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What?
Do you have children?
Your statement does not compute with this parent.
Yes, in fact I do. Have you read the essay?

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#106799 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Intriguing
I don't find them so.

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#106800 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Yep, smut and crap sells
Itz all glorified ignorance catering 2 the lowest common denominator, yo.

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#106801 Jun 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, in fact I do. Have you read the essay?
What essay?

You seriously can't do anything without selfish reasons?

“pervinco per logica”

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#106802 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I disagree. Look at how many organized help efforts for natural disasters are religion based.
No. You are conflating religion with people. People are what is good. There is nothing positive the religion produces that people would not produce without religion. It's a really obnoxious argument to pretend otherwise.

I won't deny that some religions mix in some positive with the oppression and mind control, so don't think I'm doing that. It's obvious to me that there is an amount of good that people do under the banner of religion. But it should be obvious to you that the argument you're tossing around is entirely fallacious, unless you believe that people are simply terrible if they don't join a religion.

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#106803 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
No. You are conflating religion with people. People are what is good. There is nothing positive the religion produces that people would not produce without religion. It's a really obnoxious argument to pretend otherwise.

I won't deny that some religions mix in some positive with the oppression and mind control, so don't think I'm doing that. It's obvious to me that there is an amount of good that people do under the banner of religion. But it should be obvious to you that the argument you're tossing around is entirely fallacious, unless you believe that people are simply terrible if they don't join a religion.
No, my argument is, without that establishment and common cause to gather and organize that type of effort, it would just be unorganized people trying to help where they can. And we see how the organized government efforts lack when they attempt this.
Not saying they wouldn't do anything. Communities come together sometimes too, but hardly ever as organized as when churches assign people to certain tasks or responsibilities. Our church is phenomenal at this. Streamlined to an efficient process. I was impressed when I learned of it. I've seen many local churches do the same type of response.
You can throw your negative junk around about mind control, but when the over all theme is charity and service, I wouldn't knock it. Or else we end up with selfishness, arrogance and negativity.

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#106804 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What essay?
You seriously can't do anything without selfish reasons?
In Clemmon's essay "What is Man", he contends that it is human nature that people act according to their perceived best personal outcome. While I don't strictly agree with it, the proposal has merits that agree with and describe the motives behind most actions. The overwhelming majority of people are selfish in an overwhelming majority of their decisions.

“pervinco per logica”

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Eradicate willful ignorance.

#106805 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No, my argument is, without that establishment and common cause to gather and organize that type of effort, it would just be unorganized people trying to help where they can.
Yes, because the world never organizes anything if religion isn't involved, right? Come on. If you can see how broken your argument is, I don't know if you can be helped.

The simple fact of the matter is that people who are inclined to help people will do so. And that means that they will organize to do so, as people are so adept at doing, with or without religion. I believe that people are good without having the hell myth hanging over their head. If I overestimate you, let me know, but for now I'll give you credit for having the innate capability of being moral and wanting to help your fellow man with or without LDS.

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#106806 Jun 12, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>In Clemmon's essay "What is Man", he contends that it is human nature that people act according to their perceived best personal outcome. While I don't strictly agree with it, the proposal has merits that agree with and describe the motives behind most actions. The overwhelming majority of people are selfish in an overwhelming majority of their decisions.
I must be a major outlier.

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#106807 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, because the world never organizes anything if religion isn't involved, right? Come on. If you can see how broken your argument is, I don't know if you can be helped.

The simple fact of the matter is that people who are inclined to help people will do so. And that means that they will organize to do so, as people are so adept at doing, with or without religion. I believe that people are good without having the hell myth hanging over their head. If I overestimate you, let me know, but for now I'll give you credit for having the innate capability of being moral and wanting to help your fellow man with or without LDS.
Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.

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#106808 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I must be a major outlier.
I don't think you grasp the premise. Maybe objective self perception is contrary to religious modes of thinking, maybe not.
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts...

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Eradicate willful ignorance.

#106809 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.
Fallacious arguments do not prove points. They make you look stupid. Do you really not get my point?

Look at the total income of your own church. Look at the amount that actually goes to helping people. If that doesn't disgust you, punch yourself and look again. Repeat until appropriately disgusted. I mean, jeez... Wal-mart gives almost 2 billion a year in food charity. Is that a church? Compare that amount to your church.

Many of the people that donated that money expected it to do something that helps people. Almost all of it does no such thing. Religion is a leech. I don't care how well organized it is. If you used 1/2 of all church "income" to actually do good for people, then charitable spending would probably go up by an order of magnitude.

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#106810 Jun 12, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Pay attention to who makes the biggest impact at disaster relief efforts. Maybe there is a big atheist helping hands group I'm not aware of. Or some scientist colony that gathers truckloads of food for those affected.
Without the scientists, there would be no food to send and no way to get it there.

As for an agency that is not religious, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, they often donate millions to very worthy and beneficial causes. You have already been informed of this, why do you so easily forget? Bill and Melinda are atheists.

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#106811 Jun 12, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Fallacious arguments do not prove points. They make you look stupid. Do you really not get my point?
Look at the total income of your own church. Look at the amount that actually goes to helping people. If that doesn't disgust you, punch yourself and look again. Repeat until appropriately disgusted. I mean, jeez... Wal-mart gives almost 2 billion a year in food charity. Is that a church? Compare that amount to your church.
Many of the people that donated that money expected it to do something that helps people. Almost all of it does no such thing. Religion is a leech. I don't care how well organized it is. If you used 1/2 of all church "income" to actually do good for people, then charitable spending would probably go up by an order of magnitude.
If they spent half of what they spend on temples to help the poor, there would be no poor in the US.

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#106813 Jun 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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You know what my test for God is,I have posted it many times.
The Atheist's lame excuses and absurd remarks, based on their ignorance of spiritual matters is what keeps all of you seeking an explanation for that which you claim does not exist.
Test for god:

1) Want there to be a god.
2) Believe what you want.
3) If 2) matches 1) then confirmed.

It's mathematical!

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#106814 Jun 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
"Officials worked with 25 other states during the past two years to develop the changes with input from teachers, college faculty, scientists and engineers. Proponents say the standards are key to improving science education, along with career readiness and Kentucky’s economy."

Those darn, pesky educators always trying to improve education! Darn them! Why didn't they ask my pastor first?

I love that "some conservatives" are angry about the new science standards. They keep railing against nature but nature keeps ignoring them. When will they figure out that the way the world works has nothing to do with their belief in magic?

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