Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104688 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
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I don't care who's gay... I say live and let live... Most of us are around gay people all the time and they are getting all their rights now... However I for one refuse to cower and pretend that I think it's ok... I don't... It's disgusting... But if that's what they wish to do then great.. You call me a bigot then fine I accept that but at least I'm smart enough to know what the human anal cavity was designed for... And it wasn't reproduction...
Wow. You don't care who's gay, but you think it is wrong and disgusting.

And no they don't have the same rights. For one thing, they can't marry the one they love. You can. I can. They cannot. Does that sound like they have the same rights?

Seems like you are wrong about this.

Also, who ever said the anus was used for reproduction? Do you engage in sex *only* for reproduction? If not, you are being a hypocrite in making that argument.

I think you are in way over your head here. It could be true what the other poster said about where you head goes...

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#104689 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief man!! How about I just start walking you through your ABC's while I'm at it.... If you're going to debate a subject at least know something about it... And thus the problem with ToE: So many people just assume what they hear is true and never check it out themselves then turn and call others ignorant. This point is proven here as clearly you know nothing about even the basics of the argument... I urge you to dive in and do the research and see for yourself...
How is it so many can say that J.F.K and 911 were conspiracy theories yet just take the word of any Jake-legged grant seeking professor?
You just evaded every single question on the topic and then accused the other guy of not knowing anything?

Sounds like you have no clue what you're talking about.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104690 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Do some research and stop believing everything you hear.... Evolution is as demonstrable as gravity? Lol...
Perhaps you could demonstrate just one example then huh?...
I can safely say that I know more on every subject than you, with the possible exception of "how to be a stupid hypocrite". I don't think I could come close to matching you there.

I, unlike you monkeys, don't "believe everything I hear". The simple fact is that ANY number of highly intelligent people could have used available evidence to come up with the theory of evolution. Same for gravity. And NO person could ever use available evidence to come up with the bullsh!t fairly tale of intelligent design. It is not based on evidence, requires the existence of things that don't exist, and is laughed at by all scientists.

The ONLY way that one could come up with such garbage is by reading a religious text and doing a few mental cartwheels, and the only way YOU came to believe in it is because you're so stupid that you blindly follow people that do such things because you WANT it to be true. There's nothing about evolution or lack of God that I WANT to be true, believe me... it's simply fact and I have no control over it. I understand, unlike you, that saying something loudly does not make it exist. The only thing that would accomplish is to make me waste my finite time being wrong and lying to people. You may be fine with that, but I am not. I want to be right and I care about truth.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief man!! How about I just start walking you through your ABC's while I'm at it.... If you're going to debate a subject at least know something about it... And thus the problem with ToE: So many people just assume what they hear is true and never check it out themselves then turn and call others ignorant. This point is proven here as clearly you know nothing about even the basics of the argument... I urge you to dive in and do the research and see for yourself...
How is it so many can say that J.F.K and 911 were conspiracy theories yet just take the word of any Jake-legged grant seeking professor?
"I know you are but what am I" won't work for you here, because this isn't middle school and you're actually demonstrably stupid (unlike your opponents) and ARE actually buying into things that people tell you to (unlike your opponents). Being in the vocal minority in science does not make you enlightened, FYI. It almost always means that you don't understand as well as the smart people, you are biased, and you think that loudness is equal to rightness.

Read this and understand:
EVERY hole you think can be poked in the theory of evolution has a premise that can be flipped and applied to intelligent design at multiple points. Try to poke all the holes you want, as you'll defeat yourself and evolution will still have cold, hard evidence. Also, I never said that evolution, or any other scientific theory, is perfect/without flaws/complete. We have much to learn on almost every subject one can think of. But a screen door is far more solid than the imaginary nothingness you espouse to.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104691 May 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Not just the father to son ordinance, but also the obvious parts where He says the sons of Moses, and sons of Abraham.
Do you not acknowledge the differences between men and women as a whole? Men are better at some things, and women are better at other things. This is by design. It isn't bigotry, just pay attention to the obvious differences that exist even today. We aren't talking about equal rights in the workforce or political world. We are talking about several different things that you are trying to lump into one.
If you want to talk about ancient times, there are several different cultures that used a bride payment type arrangement. In most cases, the batchelor was offering a price for his bride because he was taking a helper out of the father's house. One less had to help with all the manual chores that needed to be done for survival. So he paid in sheep or crops or whatever to compensate. In some cultures it was a social status thing. How many cows is my wife worth? etc. It wasn't necessarily that they were treated like property.
Is this the path you want to talk about now? Or today?
Today, in my church, callings hold no status. We've disagreed about this before. The calling of a prophet means his scope is bigger and he receives revelation for the whole church. The Bishop receives revelation for his local church members and how it should be run. It isn't a big deal though because tomorrow he could be called as the newsletter maker and someone else could be called as Bishop. No one would blink about this decision.
Women hold presidency callings within the church as well. Welfare commitees, Relief Society (largest women's society in the country), Young Women's program, Primary. The priesthood has a different purpose that has nothing to do with status in the church. Men and women are equally important in furthering the work of God and in the family. Poll female LDS members and the overwhelming majority will not feel inferior to men in the church. Of course there are outliers, but that is the case in almost every situation imaginable.
Why are you so intent on deeming me a bigot?
I deem you a bigot because you fit the criteria. Should I invent a new word to save your feelings?
The reason you cite for men only in the priesthood is exactly why Brigham said their can be no blacks in the priesthood. He felt they were not descendants of the white leaders of your religion, thus they were not father-son passed down the status of the priesthood.

You described the priesthood and I could not find any criteria a woman could not handle other than being a son.
If a man can actually get revelations worthy of having the church trust their claims, why can't women?

Can men be on the welfare committee?

So sad you cannot understand human property concepts. Think of how slaves were traded. They were workers/helpers, just as you describe the women. I really see zero difference. Can you show a difference?

Yes, many cultures of ancient times had the same traditions of your religion. It is as if no god was needed to make these traditions, yet your bible sure acts as if they are the rules of god.

Now, how many of my points are you going to ignore?

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#104692 May 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey asshat, when I started dating my wife she was about to turn 16 and I was about to turn 19.
You got something to say about that? If I was gay would it be any different?
You bigots absolutely kill me. And then have the nerve to talk about morals.
That's called a Pedophile ....

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104693 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible also says that the would be husband must have a good home and means to take care of the daughter.. Funny how that's always left out... Woman was created to be mans helper and was indeed to answer to the man but also the man was to provide for and protect the woman and children... But I guess God should have checked with you first huh?
The simple fact is (like it or not) women cannot do the physical work men can..
Is revelation physical work?
Your statement was extremely bigoted.
God should have checked with logic, not me. But I do not think any god did anything. These barbaric rules are just cultural norms of the past, nothing more. Problem is, those of religion have a hard time improving in time due to being held down by the idea a perfect god made these rules.

This is why I oppose religion.

Women are physically able to do most any job if given the freedom to do so. As long as society forbids them to do the job, they will not likely build themselves to perform the job.

Allow a woman to choose what she wants to be. It is not your job to decide what she can or cannot handle.

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Since: Dec 10

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#104694 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible also says that the would be husband must have a good home and means to take care of the daughter.. Funny how that's always left out... Woman was created to be mans helper and was indeed to answer to the man but also the man was to provide for and protect the woman and children... But I guess God should have checked with you first huh?
The simple fact is (like it or not) women cannot do the physical work men can..
The bible saying the man must have, is not taking anything away from him. But it should not be an absolute rule. But as long as the culture keeps the woman down and in certain roles,their is a lower chance she will be the bread winner.

The bible is a story of a culture. Treating it more than this is where the problems come in.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104695 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you so stupid to believe in a big cosmic bang from nothing?
Complex living systems arising from chemical soup in an impossible environment ?... That takes some Harry Potter magic friend... With extra pixy dust!!
Perhaps just perhaps you are not as intelligent as you see yourself in the mirror... But hey it's a buyers market!!
If life came in this "impossible" environment, then it is clearly not impossible.

No one knows what was before the big bang, so that "nothing" you speak of it not necessarily the belief of an atheist.

Now the idea god spoke and it was so is a story of pixy dust.
defender

United States

#104696 May 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. You don't care who's gay, but you think it is wrong and disgusting.

And no they don't have the same rights. For one thing, they can't marry the one they love. You can. I can. They cannot. Does that sound like they have the same rights?

Seems like you are wrong about this.

Also, who ever said the anus was used for reproduction? Do you engage in sex *only* for reproduction? If not, you are being a hypocrite in making that argument.

I think you are in way over your head here. It could be true what the other poster said about where you head goes...
Umm.. Have you not watched any news lately McFly? Several states have gay marriage ... So what's stopping them?... And what you do or let others do with your anal cavity... Well... That's on you... I don't wanta know... But hey have fun!!

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104697 May 25, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
That's called a Pedophile ....
Whoa there....
Not EVEN remotely. You generally seem to make sense when you post, but you must have turned off your brain on this one.

Pedophelia is a sexual attraction to an undeveloped child. As in pre-pubescence. There is essentially no such thing as a pre-pubescent 16 year old. This is almost certainly not some sick inappropriate physical attraction, and you should not be insulting and jump so such conclusions.

A sexual attraction to a fully developed 16 year old female is NOT remotely pedophelia. The arbitrary 18 year limit is completely wrong in many cases. The only reason one should be prevented from having a relationship when there is a small age gap like <3 years is if there is a significant gap in mental development which could cause the younger party to be taken advantage of, which is again not likely. I mean, yeah, it's pretty sick when a 50 year old man goes after a 17 year old girl, but that's entirely for reasons other than pedophelia.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104698 May 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh man.
Ok, the reason kids would give another kid hell over having two dads is because people like you give them the ammunition to do it. You fill their heads with spook stories and demean gays through your language and attitude. Of course they are going to give them hell. I used to make "faggot" jokes in school. Didn't have a clue it was a bad thing. If my parents and society had a healthy attitude and understanding of sexual orientation those jokes wouldn't be told. So don't pretend otherwise.
And let's not pretend marriage is in good shape. The divorce rate is through the roof without the aid of gay couples. Allowing for a potential increase in marriages of about 3-5 % is not going to tip the scale, my friend. That is a phenomenally bad argument.
"We want to protect our divorce rate" my ass. You want to protect your bigoted beliefs. You seem like a nice guy, why do you support this nonsense?
The other guys have asked you a zillion times to explain how gay marriage would hurt you. Best you can provide is this?
Game over. Gay marriage is going to be reality across the land. LDS might as well join 2013 since Jesus doesn't appear to be coming back any time soon.
I approve this message.
We could probably help the divorce rate if we outlaw all marriage. Problem solved.

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#104699 May 25, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
Just two weeks after New Zealand legalized homosexual "marriage," the government's Human Rights Tribunal is prosecuting an Anglican Bishop for "discriminating" against a homosexual who desires to become a priest.
These government prosecutions against churches, businesses and schools are a perfect example of what is to follow when a country legalizes same-sex "marriage."
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Carla Hale, a homosexual P.E. teacher at a private Catholic school in Ohio was recently fired for what she claims is “discrimination.”
After she and her partner were featured in a local paper, a concerned parent contacted the private school.
And because school employees agree to adhere to the tenets of the Catholic Diocese, the school exercised their right to let Ms. Hale go.
Now the Homosexual Lobby has mobilized thousands of their radical activists to attack this school.
Hale’s attorney is filing a lawsuit alleging the firing violates the city's local version of the Gay Bill of Special Rights.
Notice... "Special Rights" NOT EQUAL Rights!
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Queer agenda!
Parents of children attending a Red Hook, New York, middle school are outraged after a recent anti-bullying presentation at Linden Avenue Middle School.
The workshop for 13 and 14-year-old girls focused on homosexuality and gender identity. They were also taught words such as "pansexual" and "genderqueer."
Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.
"She told me,'Mom we all get teased and picked on enough. Now I'm going to be called a lesbian because I had to ask another girl if I could kiss her,'" parent, Mandy Coon, told reporters.
Coon says parents were given no warning about the presentation and there was no opportunity to opt-out. Both the school principal and the district superintendent are defending the workshops and advising they will schedule more.
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Wrong is Wrong!
In America, religion is allowed to discriminate. Has anyone forced you to allow women in the priesthood?
defender

United States

#104700 May 25, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
I can safely say that I know more on every subject than you, with the possible exception of "how to be a stupid hypocrite". I don't think I could come close to matching you there.

I, unlike you monkeys, don't "believe everything I hear". The simple fact is that ANY number of highly intelligent people could have used available evidence to come up with the theory of evolution. Same for gravity. And NO person could ever use available evidence to come up with the bullsh!t fairly tale of intelligent design. It is not based on evidence, requires the existence of things that don't exist, and is laughed at by all scientists.

The ONLY way that one could come up with such garbage is by reading a religious text and doing a few mental cartwheels, and the only way YOU came to believe in it is because you're so stupid that you blindly follow people that do such things because you WANT it to be true. There's nothing about evolution or lack of God that I WANT to be true, believe me... it's simply fact and I have no control over it. I understand, unlike you, that saying something loudly does not make it exist. The only thing that would accomplish is to make me waste my finite time being wrong and lying to people. You may be fine with that, but I am not. I want to be right and I care about truth.

defender wrote, "<quoted text>
Good grief man!! How about I just start walking you through your ABC's while I'm at it.... If you're going to debate a subject at least know something about it... And thus the problem with ToE: So many people just assume what they hear is true and never check it out themselves then turn and call others ignorant. This point is proven here as clearly you know nothing about even the basics of the argument... I urge you to dive in and do the research and see for yourself...
How is it so many can say that J.F.K and 911 were conspiracy theories yet just take the word of any Jake-legged grant seeking professor?
"

"I know you are but what am I" won't work for you here, because this isn't middle school and you're actually demonstrably stupid (unlike your opponents) and ARE actually buying into things that people tell you to (unlike your opponents). Being in the vocal minority in science does not make you enlightened, FYI. It almost always means that you don't understand as well as the smart people, you are biased, and you think that loudness is equal to rightness.

Read this and understand:
EVERY hole you think can be poked in the theory of evolution has a premise that can be flipped and applied to intelligent design at multiple points. Try to poke all the holes you want, as you'll defeat yourself and evolution will still have cold, hard evidence. Also, I never said that evolution, or any other scientific theory, is perfect/without flaws/complete. We have much to learn on almost every subject one can think of. But a screen door is far more solid than the imaginary nothingness you espouse to.
Umm... The big bang theory ( father of ToE) requires as you say "evidence that does not exist" A whole universe of matter from nothing!! Now tell me about fairy tales Einstein !!
Not one hypothesis of Abiogenesis has ever been proven in any lab around the world... Ever... Epic fail for the origin of life!! 0 for 2 bud...
It has never been observed in the natural world or lab that any mutation has brought about a new species... After thousands of generations of bacteria grown guess what?... For all the mutations not one shred of evidence for species change... Ever...
And that isn't even the tip of the iceberg against the foolish theory... If you wish to believe your ancestors are lizards then great!!! But don't call it science... That would be faith...
Now the statements above didn't come from preacher Billy Bob or the bible... They are facts... Evolution is religion..

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#104701 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care who's gay... I say live and let live... Most of us are around gay people all the time and they are getting all their rights now... However I for one refuse to cower and pretend that I think it's ok... I don't... It's disgusting... But if that's what they wish to do then great.. You call me a bigot then fine I accept that but at least I'm smart enough to know what the human anal cavity was designed for... And it wasn't reproduction...
Do you only have sex to reproduce? Do you ever use an orifice other than the vagina during sex? Hint, mouth.
The rest of your post is nothing but contradictions.

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Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104702 May 25, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief man!! How about I just start walking you through your ABC's while I'm at it.... If you're going to debate a subject at least know something about it... And thus the problem with ToE: So many people just assume what they hear is true and never check it out themselves then turn and call others ignorant. This point is proven here as clearly you know nothing about even the basics of the argument... I urge you to dive in and do the research and see for yourself...
How is it so many can say that J.F.K and 911 were conspiracy theories yet just take the word of any Jake-legged grant seeking professor?
I would wager most conspiracy theorists are god believers.

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#104703 May 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Mormon leaders are famous for having long chats with God, Jesus, and Joseph Smith. It seems like it was an arms race to see which leader could claim the most authority. There was a split in the LDS over plural marriage back in the early 20th century and it split between the LDS and the Fundamentalists, right? The Fundie leader claimed to meet with Smith and Jesus, as was witnessed by a couple of high ranking members of that sect.

You guys see ghosts a lot. It miiiight be another reason Mormons have been viewed as a bit nutty. That and the underoos.
Which splinter group are you talking about? The dispute over plural marriage was not the reason for the first divide in views. Emma Smith thought that Joseph Smith III should have been the next prophet after Joseph's martyr. This started the RLDS church (Called Community of Christ now after they ran out of money and had to denounce the BOM to receive financial help from other churches)
Are you speaking of some other splinter group that happened after 1890 like the FLDS church?

We believe the church has been restored from what Christ set up. Angelic visitations were common in the scriptures. If the church is restored, wouldn't you expect angelic messengers again?
defender

United States

#104704 May 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is revelation physical work?
Your statement was extremely bigoted.
God should have checked with logic, not me. But I do not think any god did anything. These barbaric rules are just cultural norms of the past, nothing more. Problem is, those of religion have a hard time improving in time due to being held down by the idea a perfect god made these rules.

This is why I oppose religion.

Women are physically able to do most any job if given the freedom to do so. As long as society forbids them to do the job, they will not likely build themselves to perform the job.

Allow a woman to choose what she wants to be. It is not your job to decide what she can or cannot handle.
So if a woman in the military turns out to be to weak to hold the fifty cal when the firefight starts and get everybody killed well that's ok cause that what she wanted to do... Nice logic there!!!
Further more if women are so held back as you say then why do so many choose to stay in their environments?
They have total freedom and government backing to do whatever they please? Umm.. Maybe they like being women? Ya think?

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#104705 May 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Right. Because the Abrahamic religions treat women like breeding mares. The men "hold the priesthood" in LDS. That means men have the keys to the magic kingdom. Women hold wombs, meaning they have the keys to future generations.

What that means in reality is that men run the show, women open their legs and shut their mouths.

That is how the LDS and virtually all these religious sects function. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a *female* say to me that "The Bible says the man is the head of the household". It kinda makes me sick to think about the degree of brainwashing involved in that thought process. Men have more value inherently than females by virtue of the Bible, Koran, or BoM if you wanna include that one.
You have 0 experience with this obviously. I spend 80% of my time off of work trying to make my wife happy (the other 20% I am making my kids happy). I do not rule over my wife in any way.
defender

United States

#104706 May 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is revelation physical work?
Your statement was extremely bigoted.
God should have checked with logic, not me. But I do not think any god did anything. These barbaric rules are just cultural norms of the past, nothing more. Problem is, those of religion have a hard time improving in time due to being held down by the idea a perfect god made these rules.

This is why I oppose religion.

Women are physically able to do most any job if given the freedom to do so. As long as society forbids them to do the job, they will not likely build themselves to perform the job.

Allow a woman to choose what she wants to be. It is not your job to decide what she can or cannot handle.
You people get truth confused with bigoted... Scientific fact dude... Like it or not...
defender

United States

#104707 May 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If life came in this "impossible" environment, then it is clearly not impossible.

No one knows what was before the big bang, so that "nothing" you speak of it not necessarily the belief of an atheist.

Now the idea god spoke and it was so is a story of pixy dust.
Magic either way you slice the pie... Why is that so hard for the evolutionist to accept?

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