Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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defender

United States

#104822 May 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Who is claiming chaos created order?
You claim it could not be an accident, but no one can prove such a thing.
Argue with me till your face turns blue but science says it isn't happening... And yes most atheist are looking for answers and they'll accept anything but God no matter how goofy it is (like ToE)... Keep chasing that tale!!! It's fun to watch!!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104823 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed sir... Since evolutionist cannot give an origin for their theory one can only assume that the beginning of ToE is the first reproduction of the simple cell... How does that violate Cause and Effect?
1) How did this simple cell reproduce?
It's already impossible that it's even here but now this SIMPLE cell somehow has genetic information to pass on... But it's not designed?... Then from where?... We have effect yet no cause...
2) Why did the first cell reproduce?... What's the point? Reproduction has no benefit for this simple cell... If anything this is against evolution as offspring would compete for food...
Any thoughts?
It is clearly not impossible that the life is here, because it is here.
You can speculate some magical being snapped his fingers and life started all you wish, but you have zero evidence of the claim.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104824 May 26, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither does the 15 year old girl either most likely.
Amazing what sloths try to stick their noses into these days under the guise of "libuhrulism", as if any of that type of thing is anyone else's businnes to start with.
People should let kids be kids again-encourage them to use and develop their brains to become future productive citizens,and rather than trying to steer them into acting like animals just born to hump.
Sick-in-the-head batards and batardettes.
I really do not understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying that the 18yo girl who had a relationship with the 15yo girl (is that correct, 15?) is some kind of monstrous predator? If so, you have left planet earth.

Consider a person who turns 18 while still in high school. All their friends are likely to be under 18. They are likely to be dating someone under 18. And they are likely to be having sex with that person as often as possible. Or at least some heavy petting.

Is that what you and certain others on here seriously call "pedophilia"? Because that's some batsh*t crazy right there. And a departure from reality.

Not to mention incredibly insulting.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104825 May 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I hear some states have an age gap measure to the law.
This is a states rights issue and thus one would think Q. would not make such absolute claims of age as this is just absolutely false. Q is all about states rights, so it is quite amusing to me that he is contradicting his own ideology.
I hear some states will allow for 14 year old persons to have sex with adults if the parents consent.
I personally do not agree this is a good policy, but one would think Q of all persons would fight for the state to make that decision.
Age gap definitely needs to be a consideration. Nature is a continuum. Aging a day does not flip a switch.

I seriously doubt that even Q thinks an age gap of 3 years is a big deal. But for some weird reason he's being pedantic about it.

Perhaps its because I don't worship his intellect. I have no idea.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104826 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Argue with me till your face turns blue but science says it isn't happening... And yes most atheist are looking for answers and they'll accept anything but God no matter how goofy it is (like ToE)... Keep chasing that tale!!! It's fun to watch!!
And you can chase gods tail.
Should I accept the claims of men who study the evidence with due diligence and great levels of education and have evidence, or accept the claims of ancient superstitious men that have zero evidence?
Even when I believed in a god, I accepted the theory of evolution, so your stereo type of me is wrong.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104827 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
If you call wishful thinking, wild ass speculation and downright dishonesty evidence then yeah you've got plenty of that!!
So you do not believe in evolution?
defender

United States

#104828 May 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And you can chase gods tail.
Should I accept the claims of men who study the evidence with due diligence and great levels of education and have evidence, or accept the claims of ancient superstitious men that have zero evidence?
Even when I believed in a god, I accepted the theory of evolution, so your stereo type of me is wrong.
The same argument can be used by me...
Has science ever produced any shred of evidence against Design?... Nope...
Unlike you I don't use strawman arguments....
I can watch a person build a desk top PC and say that's an intelligent design... Can you say the same for random chaos?...
defender

United States

#104829 May 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>It is clearly not impossible that the life is here, because it is here.
You can speculate some magical being snapped his fingers and life started all you wish, but you have zero evidence of the claim.
But yet that's exactly what's taught in schools... Spontaneous universe... You can dig that foot out of your mouth now!!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104830 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
But yet that's exactly what's taught in schools... Spontaneous universe... You can dig that foot out of your mouth now!!
Geez, how do you guys get dressed in the morning?

What is taught in schools is scientific consensus. Science is based on natural explanations. It *cannot* be based on anything else.

Intelligent Design proposes a *supernatural* explanation.

Do you understand this distinction?
defender

United States

#104831 May 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Geez, how do you guys get dressed in the morning?

What is taught in schools is scientific consensus. Science is based on natural explanations. It *cannot* be based on anything else.

Intelligent Design proposes a *supernatural* explanation.

Do you understand this distinction?
The other two guys were smart enough to withdraw after getting their asses handed to them but there's always that one dick-nat hanging around... Lol... Your arguments are weak as is your IQ...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104832 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
The same argument can be used by me...
Has science ever produced any shred of evidence against Design?... Nope...
Unlike you I don't use strawman arguments....
I can watch a person build a desk top PC and say that's an intelligent design... Can you say the same for random chaos?...
You are using a strawman argument right now.

Some evidence against ID:

Human sinus cavity. Human spine. Human eye's blind spot. Wisdom teeth.

Laryngeal nerve in giraffe.

Ectopic pregnancies.

Panda's "thumbs".

None of these disprove ID. What they do is destroy the argument that things are "perfectly designed". Consequently, these are the types of things we can predict from natural evolution.

Nature tinkers. It is messy. If a perfect creator made everything you would expect things to function better, wouldn't you? I mean, do you think we have sinus problems because God thought it was a good idea to make our drainage holes terribly inefficient or because nature is messy and that's just the way it turned out?

Which makes the most sense?

Also, and I know this has been mentioned, but your God is orders of magnitude more complex than the universe. What made God?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104833 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
The other two guys were smart enough to withdraw after getting their asses handed to them but there's always that one dick-nat hanging around... Lol... Your arguments are weak as is your IQ...
Do you or do you not understand the difference?

Science relies on natural explanations.

ID relies on a supernatural explanation.

Do you understand the distinction?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104834 May 26, 2013
Nutbags and excessive elipses...
Why? Where do you all learn to do this? Don't you realize that the world laughs at your message enough without you typing it in a way that is comically insane?
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
The other two guys were smart enough to withdraw after getting their asses handed to them but there's always that one dick-nat hanging around... Lol... Your arguments are weak as is your IQ...
I didn't see anyone do anything of the sort after anything of the sort. I saw multiple people rationally destroying your idiotic statements and then realizing that you didn't get it, aren't going to get it, and are wasting everyone's time. Just like Yiago is and soon will do.

Nobody cares when an insane person thinks that they're winning despite all evidence being to the contrary. And really, nobody cares about anything you think or say, because you aren't actually thinking and you have NO respect for truth.

The way you find truth:
the scientific method

The way you delude yourself into thinking that your stupid baseless opinions are true:
call it science as loudly as possible, regardless of basis, until you convince yourself (and the rest of the stupid people within earshot) that it is so
defender

United States

#104835 May 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Do you or do you not understand the difference?

Science relies on natural explanations.

ID relies on a supernatural explanation.

Do you understand the distinction?
Science relies on facts
Fact: complex living systems cannot arise from random chaos... Sorry bro
Evolution is a broken model held together by speculation, wishful thinking and massive amounts of duct tape... You seem to want people to accept that the highly complex machine of life just sprang about without no design.,, that is faith not science...
Mutation had never ever been observed to morf a species into something different...
For all of the millions of fossils you have no intermediates... None...
To quote Malcolm X. "Ah ya been had !!! Bamboozled !!! Hoodwinked !!!".... For someone like you to be takin in buy the snake oil sales man isn't a shocker...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#104836 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Science relies on facts
Fact: complex living systems cannot arise from random chaos... Sorry bro
Evolution is a broken model held together by speculation, wishful thinking and massive amounts of duct tape... You seem to want people to accept that the highly complex machine of life just sprang about without no design.,, that is faith not science...
Mutation had never ever been observed to morf a species into something different...
For all of the millions of fossils you have no intermediates... None...
To quote Malcolm X. "Ah ya been had !!! Bamboozled !!! Hoodwinked !!!".... For someone like you to be takin in buy the snake oil sales man isn't a shocker...
Science explains reality via natural mechanisms.

Again, do you or do you not understand that statement? You are beating around the bush and grasping at straws.

You either understand this fact and don't care or you do not understand this fact and you never will.

Every fossil is intermediate. Evolution has no endgame, no destination. Therefore every single fossil and every single living thing is "intermediate" between other things. Life is a continuum.

But here's the kicker. You laugh as if you are correct, but offer nothing in your own defense. What is your theory for how God created life?

And what created God?

Do you even have a method by which those questions could be answered?

At the Discovery Institute do they have a lab wherein priests are carefully examining angel DNA? Do they have samples of God's poop to test against the poop of non-Gods?

What is the science behind your insane ideas?
GWB

Roseville, CA

#104837 May 26, 2013
Why I Left the Mormon Church
Richard Packham

... the ultimate goal of the church, as stated publicly by its early leaders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young (but not mentioned so publicly by more recent Mormon leaders), is to establish the Mormon Kingdom of God in America,and to govern the world as God's appointed representatives. The church is already influential in the making of secular policy, as was proven not so long ago when the Equal Rights Amendment was defeated with decisive help from the Mormon church.

To me, the possibility that the Mormon church might control America is a frightening prospect.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richar...
defender

United States

#104838 May 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Science explains reality via natural mechanisms.

Again, do you or do you not understand that statement? You are beating around the bush and grasping at straws.

You either understand this fact and don't care or you do not understand this fact and you never will.

Every fossil is intermediate. Evolution has no endgame, no destination. Therefore every single fossil and every single living thing is "intermediate" between other things. Life is a continuum.

But here's the kicker. You laugh as if you are correct, but offer nothing in your own defense. What is your theory for how God created life?

And what created God?

Do you even have a method by which those questions could be answered?

At the Discovery Institute do they have a lab wherein priests are carefully examining angel DNA? Do they have samples of God's poop to test against the poop of non-Gods?

What is the science behind your insane ideas?
Natural mechanisms? Really?... Have you ever read any research on Casimir Effect? Or Higgs Boson (God particle)...
For that matter have you researched anything?
Belief in God is religion (faith) no one is arguing that... Ok? Understand now?

It's is evolution that makes the claim that science stands behind it... Ok then the burden of proof lies on evolution...
Now about intermediates : please show me the evolution of just one species!!
And I mean the fossils!! Not sketch artist painting from bone fragments on Talkorigins ... We have millions of them right? Shouldn't be a problem then huh? I can't wait to see the development of wings on fossils step by step... Or maybe how wolfs became wales... I'll be waiting!!!
GWB

Roseville, CA

#104839 May 26, 2013
"I secretly thought (and perhaps hoped) that President Smith would write back and say something like: "Dear Brother, your diligence and faith in searching for the truth has led you to a precious secret, not known to many;yes, you can be assured that President Young taught the truth: Adam is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to deal. The church does not proclaim this precious truth because we do not wish to expose the mysteries of God to the mockery of the world. Preserve this secret truth as you do the secrets of your temple endowment."

Why I Left the Mormon Church
Richard Packham

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/ky/TEQBSM980...

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104840 May 26, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Natural mechanisms? Really?...
Yes, you elipsis spewing choad, natural mechanisms. This is not a difficult concept.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever read any research on Casimir Effect?
Oh, but you have, right? And it certainly wasn't written by some fraud nobody trying to tie it into intelligent design, right?
Nevermind looking for what real physicists say on the topic.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Or Higgs Boson (God particle)...
Oh, but you have, right? And it certainly wasn't written by some fraud nobody trying to tie it into intelligent design, right?
http://notashamedofthegospel.com/apologetics/...
Nevermind looking for what real physicists say on the topic:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/03/1...
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
For that matter have you researched anything?
Have you researched anything away from intelligent design websites?
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Belief in God is religion (faith) no one is arguing that... Ok? Understand now?
That is absolutely OK. And I certainly understand the truth of this point. I'm glad to see that you aren't arguing against that. Your belief in the existence of God is and will always be ONLY a matter of faith. So, now we're clear.

To go one step further, now, you must surely realize that ANY "theory" or "hypothesis" that one develops that REQUIRES the existence of something that must be taken on faith, it's NOT science. Not remotely. It's faith. There is NO scientific basis. There is a faith basis. Period.

I'm glad that you aren't arguing against what I just said, because you're abominably stupid if you are.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
It's is evolution that makes the claim that science stands behind it...
What? NO. Science makes the claim that evolution is probably what happens. Not the other way around. Not any other way that your broken brain tries to mangle the process.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok then the burden of proof lies on evolution...
The burden of proof? Do you even know what those words mean?

Read carefully:
Every single piece of evidence that we fully understand supports the current form of the theory of evolution. Every one. It's been tested, passed, tested again, passed, tested again, passed, ad nauseum. If it had not been rigorously tested and was not supported by mountains of evidence, NO scientist would accept it.

Why? Because scientists aren't like you. They don't draw conclusions based on bronze age fairy tales, then try to cherry pick evidence that supports the conclusion, and never change their position regardless of what evidence is found. The first look at evidence, then draw a conclusion the is supported by ALL the evidence, and then test it when new evidence is discovered. If it isn't consisted, the theory is modified until it fits it all.
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Now about intermediates : please show me the evolution of just one species!!
blah blah blah etc. etc. demand demand
You don't understand evolution, real timescales, fossilization, or essentially anything else. You are not fit to even speak a word on this topic.
You don't get to demand ALL of the evidence, because science doesn't work like that, you f*%king mouth breather. We don't even know how gravity works. Go ahead and demand that physics supply all of the evidence before you believe it exists.
Why don't you get that your "theory" (which doesn't even come CLOSE to being a theory) doesn't have a single shred of supporting evidence, only arguments from incredulity? And that you can't sweep your COMPLETE lack of evidence under the rug by pointing out that we don't have ALL evidence in existence to prove evolution. And most importantly, why don't you get that your "theory" REQUIRES
God... invalidating it.
defender

London, KY

#104841 May 26, 2013
Mountains of evidence!!! Millions upon millions of fossils yet can't show not one evolutionary line... Really? ID is not a theory McFly it's logic....

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