Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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do whut wrote:
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One good example: Motherhood trumps anything man can do.
Right. Because the Abrahamic religions treat women like breeding mares. The men "hold the priesthood" in LDS. That means men have the keys to the magic kingdom. Women hold wombs, meaning they have the keys to future generations.

What that means in reality is that men run the show, women open their legs and shut their mouths.

That is how the LDS and virtually all these religious sects function. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a *female* say to me that "The Bible says the man is the head of the household". It kinda makes me sick to think about the degree of brainwashing involved in that thought process. Men have more value inherently than females by virtue of the Bible, Koran, or BoM if you wanna include that one.

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I told you it was in D&C. Chapter 84 shoes the oath of the Priesthood. He speaks of how the Priesthood is passed from Father to son, and He tells us it was for the sons of Moses. Here is an excerpt:
For whoso is faithful unto the obtaining these two priesthoods of which I have spoken, and the magnifying their calling, are sanctified by the Spirit unto the renewing of their bodies.
They become the sons of Moses and of Aaron and the seed of Abraham, and the church and kingdom, and the elect of God.
You should read the whole chapter.
The origins of marriage predate recorded history, so my only source is the Bible. Other religions tell a similar story of the origin.
The only other speculation of origin is for a man to feel paternal rights to his own children and access to sexual relations with the same female. Usually they paid a bride price to her father for this. That doesn't sound much like marriage to me, but maybe it was for that type of society.
The Doctrines and Covenants are not part of the Bible. They were written in modern times. We know their history, who wrote them, and what has been said regarding them from then till now. If the Bible has some mystery as to the authorship of this or that book, the D and C is quite well documented.

I swear. If a charming enough LDS leader came along and claimed to have a conversation with Jesus and wrote the Book of Mormon Part II you guys would buy it hook, line, and sinker.

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What does Gay marriage hurt? Why not group marriage? Or human-animal marriage?... Look most people today are afraid of saying what they really feel... Not me... I'm not saying everyone shouldn't have equal rights ... That's fine but that isn't what the homosexual movement wants anyway... How do I know that? Cause they already are getting what they want in every state... That battle is over... What they want is to cram their lifestyle down everyone's throat and bully people like you are this nice guy... Bottom line is it's disgusting... If you want to have sex with men then burn it up bro... You want to marry a man then great! Good for you... But don't look to darkin my door with your nasty ass lifestyle cause you just might get to meet the God you mock...
In the dictionary under "homophobe" you might find a snapshot of yourself.

What gays want is to be treated like anyone else. What you want is for them to sit down, shut up, and not be gay.

See the conflict?

I bet you even believe it is a choice, right? That gay men woke up one morning and said hmmmm....I think I'll go be gay today.

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No, I doubt their family would extend past the two of them since it is so hard to adopt if you aren't married. I'm really only talking about families with children here.
I'm against gay marriage, not gay civil unions. If a gay couple is able to provide physically, and emotionally for a child, I'm fine with gay adoption. The child may have a tough life explaining why they have 2 dads or 2 moms, but as our society gets more used to it, this will get easier too. Not sure about in school though. Kids are relentless sometimes with the way they pick on each other.
What I was saying earlier though, is if the statistics for monogamy with gays rings true in gay unions, there will be more children hurt by families split up than we have currently. It's already bad with straight couples that divorce, but bring in a population with a worse record, then it will make the total worse as well. The end result will be more kids with a jacked up home life.
Oh man.

Ok, the reason kids would give another kid hell over having two dads is because people like you give them the ammunition to do it. You fill their heads with spook stories and demean gays through your language and attitude. Of course they are going to give them hell. I used to make "faggot" jokes in school. Didn't have a clue it was a bad thing. If my parents and society had a healthy attitude and understanding of sexual orientation those jokes wouldn't be told. So don't pretend otherwise.

And let's not pretend marriage is in good shape. The divorce rate is through the roof without the aid of gay couples. Allowing for a potential increase in marriages of about 3-5 % is not going to tip the scale, my friend. That is a phenomenally bad argument.

"We want to protect our divorce rate" my ass. You want to protect your bigoted beliefs. You seem like a nice guy, why do you support this nonsense?

The other guys have asked you a zillion times to explain how gay marriage would hurt you. Best you can provide is this?

Game over. Gay marriage is going to be reality across the land. LDS might as well join 2013 since Jesus doesn't appear to be coming back any time soon.

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What does that have to do with evolution, you redirecting nutjob? I'm not going to entertain your strawman bullsh!t, stick to the topic at hand.
Evolution is as much demonstrable fact as gravity. There is NO argument. Does that mean that we don't have observed gravitational anomalies that take further research to explain? No. Does that mean that we don't have small portions of evolution that are unknown to us and may take further research to explain? No.
Evolution is like a 5000 piece puzzle with 2-3 pieces missing. Intelligent design is like taking the same 5000 piece puzzle, tossing all of the pieces in the trash, and throwing the Bible down in their place while saying "Yep, solved that one!". You're throwing out everything that's been observed, tested, and makes sense while inserting something that is baseless, untestable, and unnecessary.
Nice summary. I wish fundies could grasp logic enough to pinpoint their own logical fallacies. It seems that every time they go off on evolution they go straight to the creation of the universe, jumping disciplines and billions of years of time because they obviously do not know a damn thing about the topic.

Change in allele frequency this, atheist scum: stuff looks complicated to my brain so God did it! What, you can't prove me wrong? I win, sucker!

Or something like that.
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this is correct, however, neither is killing a convicted murderer considered murder. Murder is taking life illegally. Abortion is not murder either.
Murder is laying in wait for "INNOCENT BLOOD"!
How much more innocent can a Baby be?
You're as ignorant as a person can be!
Buy a clue, cause you don't even have a shadow of one!
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Absolutely... As long as folks admit that Abortion is Homicide and those that Commit Homicide should be Judged as to the if it is Justified by the courts on an individual basis just as with Self Defense and killing of a convicted murderer.. We do not just allow the person that kills in self defense to walk away without question... The facts of the individual act are presented to the prosecutors office to determine if the claim of self defense is justified... If there is not evidence such a homicide was Not Justified the person claiming self defense faces prosecution...
I am opposed to the death penalty because of the possibility of one innocent person at some point is put to death...
But I have no problem with putting a bullet in the head of a person breaking into my house, or in defense of another human life..
It's a matter of Justification, and personal inconvenience or in the case of abortion doctors, Profit... Is to me Unjustified....
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Main way of Spreading Homosexuality...
Pervert the Children, and make them THINK it's
Natural, and Normal!

Kaitlyn Hunt, the 18-year-old Florida cheerleader facing felony charges for a sexual relationship she had with a younger girl, has refused to take a plea deal in the case, her lawyers said Friday.
Hunt now must go to court to face two charges of lewd and lascivious battery on a minor. If convicted, shefaces up to 15 years in prison and would haveto register as a sex offender.
Under the deal offered by a Florida state attorney, Hunt would have to submit to house arrest for two years. She also would be labeled as a convicted felon and be required to attend sex offender counseling.
"This is a situation of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship," according to a statement released by Hunt's attorneys, Julia Graves and Joseph Graves. "If this case involved a boy and girl, there would be no media attention to this case."
The statement went on to say that if Hunt's relationship had occurred "108 days earlier when she was 17, we wouldn’t even be here."
But the attorney representing the minor, who is now 15, said the case is strictly about the law.
"This is a violation of the law that's based upon an adult having sexual relations with a minor," Charles Sullivan told TODAY earlier this week. "Gender, sexual orientation of the parties has absolutely nothing to do with the prosecution."
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Just two weeks after New Zealand legalized homosexual "marriage," the government's Human Rights Tribunal is prosecuting an Anglican Bishop for "discriminating" against a homosexual who desires to become a priest.

These government prosecutions against churches, businesses and schools are a perfect example of what is to follow when a country legalizes same-sex "marriage."
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Carla Hale, a homosexual P.E. teacher at a private Catholic school in Ohio was recently fired for what she claims is “discrimination.”

After she and her partner were featured in a local paper, a concerned parent contacted the private school.

And because school employees agree to adhere to the tenets of the Catholic Diocese, the school exercised their right to let Ms. Hale go.

Now the Homosexual Lobby has mobilized thousands of their radical activists to attack this school.

Hale’s attorney is filing a lawsuit alleging the firing violates the city's local version of the Gay Bill of Special Rights.

Notice... "Special Rights" NOT EQUAL Rights!
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Queer agenda!
Parents of children attending a Red Hook, New York, middle school are outraged after a recent anti-bullying presentation at Linden Avenue Middle School.
The workshop for 13 and 14-year-old girls focused on homosexuality and gender identity. They were also taught words such as "pansexual" and "genderqueer."
Parents say their daughters were told to ask one another for a kiss and they say two girls were told to stand in front of the class and pretend they were lesbians on a date.
"She told me,'Mom we all get teased and picked on enough. Now I'm going to be called a lesbian because I had to ask another girl if I could kiss her,'" parent, Mandy Coon, told reporters.
Coon says parents were given no warning about the presentation and there was no opportunity to opt-out. Both the school principal and the district superintendent are defending the workshops and advising they will schedule more.
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Ok ill admit I've had consensual sex with 4 ladies at the same time did not plan it it just happened. Was that wrong?
Yes....
Repent, and Sin no more!
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Don't let these bozos tell you the science is on their side... Not by a long shot!!! They can prove nothing.. In fact ToE (theory of evolution) has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese... It's the desperate hope of agenda pushing lefties... Science in fact points to an intelligent design... It's the 900 pound gorilla in the room that the evolutionist doesn't want to face....
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...I'm getting asked a lot of things and trying to respond to all makes it look like I'm monopolizing the thread, which is not intentional....
That's due to the fact that you're one of the few on your side of the fence (at least in this forum) who is capable of arguing your position in a civil and respectful manner. I may disagree with just about every view you hold, but I respect the fact that you defend your position without resorting to the ridiculous shenanigans that some on here gleefully display.
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What does that have to do with evolution, you redirecting nutjob? I'm not going to entertain your strawman bullsh!t, stick to the topic at hand.

Evolution is as much demonstrable fact as gravity. There is NO argument. Does that mean that we don't have observed gravitational anomalies that take further research to explain? No. Does that mean that we don't have small portions of evolution that are unknown to us and may take further research to explain? No.

Evolution is like a 5000 piece puzzle with 2-3 pieces missing. Intelligent design is like taking the same 5000 piece puzzle, tossing all of the pieces in the trash, and throwing the Bible down in their place while saying "Yep, solved that one!". You're throwing out everything that's been observed, tested, and makes sense while inserting something that is baseless, untestable, and unnecessary.
Do some research and stop believing everything you hear.... Evolution is as demonstrable as gravity? Lol...
Perhaps you could demonstrate just one example then huh?...

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Let's see... Cause and Effect, Entropy, Dependency, Irreducible Complexity, Endogenous Retrovirus study, DNA decay rate study and lack of intermediates in the fossil record... How's that?
I know this is pointless but...
Explain what cause and effect you are referring to.

Explain how Entropy points to ID.(here's a hint: it doesn't)

Explain what dependency you are referring to.

Give an example of Irreducible Complexity that hasn't been proven false.(here's a hint: there aren't any).

Explain how ERVs point (conclusively, not speculatively) to ID.

Explain how the DNA decay rate study you are referring to discredits evolution.

And finally, my favorite, explain how missing pieces of the fossil record serve as scientific evidence for ID.

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Do some research and stop believing everything you hear.... Evolution is as demonstrable as gravity? Lol...
Perhaps you could demonstrate just one example then huh?...
http://listverse.com/2011/11/19/8-examples-of...
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<quoted text>In the dictionary under "homophobe" you might find a snapshot of yourself.

What gays want is to be treated like anyone else. What you want is for them to sit down, shut up, and not be gay.

See the conflict?

I bet you even believe it is a choice, right? That gay men woke up one morning and said hmmmm....I think I'll go be gay today.
I don't care who's gay... I say live and let live... Most of us are around gay people all the time and they are getting all their rights now... However I for one refuse to cower and pretend that I think it's ok... I don't... It's disgusting... But if that's what they wish to do then great.. You call me a bigot then fine I accept that but at least I'm smart enough to know what the human anal cavity was designed for... And it wasn't reproduction...
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When you speak of anthropolicial origin of religion, it certainly has to do with Atheism. Simple search and this comes up:
"Modern anthropology assumes that religion is in complete continuity with magical thinking,[1] that it is a cultural product,[4] and that is a phenomenon of psychological projection. The complete continuity between magic and religion has been a postulate of modern anthropology at least since early 1930s.[1][5] The perspective of modern anthropology towards religion is the projection idea, a methodological approach which assumes that every religion is created by the human community that worships it, that "creative activity ascribed to God is projected from man."
This certainly describes how atheists feel about religion.
Act like ya got some smarts. The chariot was not invented before the wheel. The Bible alleges that humans were created fully formed and with all the skills of communication in an eyeblink. Anthropology does not assume magical origins of civilization.
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I don't care who's gay... I say live and let live... Most of us are around gay people all the time and they are getting all their rights now... However I for one refuse to cower and pretend that I think it's ok... I don't... It's disgusting... But if that's what they wish to do then great.. You call me a bigot then fine I accept that but at least I'm smart enough to know what the human anal cavity was designed for... And it wasn't reproduction...
it was for your head.

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