Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,107

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104567 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Really curious about what insulted you so much on this post?
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you wish to withhold marriage to homosexuals due to your superstition and yet cannot understand why we oppose your religion?
America is not a theocracy. We should not be making law due to your superstitions.
Would you not be just as upset as I if Muslims became a majority in America and they made superstitious laws (Sharia law)?
I am sure your church would love it if women could be kept from high ranking jobs also.
We get it, you and your church are bigots. And you wonder why so many look at your church as if it were a cult?
Show us your church is a leader in morality then we can talk about it following an actual god.
Withholding rights and privileges due to race, sex, or sexual persuasion is not moral. Your church has done all three and is still doing two of them.
You and your church learned nothing from its racism debacle.
You seemed more heated than normal, and you began attacking me personally. I assumed you were more upset than normal. I wasn't offended, just trying to calm you down.

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#104568 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I here your church complaining about abortions, not gun accidents and the others you listed. Thus, this list is irrelevant to my point.
How is fighting gay marriage a job of the church? This is relevant.
I didn't know my church was complaining about abortions. I thought it was just me on here stating my beliefs. Did I miss something?

Fighting gay marriage is their way of fighting for what they hold sacred in the eyes of God.

Read the next post. It is how the church feels about marriage.

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#104569 May 23, 2013
The Family

A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshipped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children.“Children are an heritage of the Lord”(Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

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#104570 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Abstinence teaching is far from one hundred percent effective. Again you deny the reality of the situation.
Again: Abstinence is 100% effective birth control. Abstinence outside of the bonds of marriage is the council and requirement from the Lord. Within marriage, it is up to the man and woman if they want to have kids or not. Birth control may be appropriate for them until they are ready.

People who practice abstinence is FAR from 100%, therefore birth control must be attempted to prevent unwanted pregnancies (married or not). However, it must be noted that contraception is never 100% effective. The person willingly engaging in the activity when they aren't ready for a child, should be ready to face the consequences in case the contraceptive does not do its job.

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#104571 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
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Brigham was the churches glorious infallible leader and no one questioned his bigoted ideas for over one hundred years.
Now you are afraid to question the bigoted ideas about sex and the priesthood.
You have demonstrated no difference between the two situations.
Yes, we talked about it, now tell me what variable is different?
Pay attention this time

Brigham: His opinion. Never stated it was a revelation.

Joseph: Stated the purposes and boundaries of the Priesthood and stated that it was direct revelation from Jesus Christ. Witnesses were present.

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#104572 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>In what scripture does Jesus make this bigoted revelation?
All through the Doctrine and Covenants.

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#104573 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Its all about you, isn't it?
Well, you are talking to me, and asking my opinion on things, so yes, this particular answer was about me and how I feel.

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#104574 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>In NC the police do say, you must where a seat-belt.
Again, why does your church get so active about denying people marriage? Where in the bible does god tell you this is the job of the church?
Yes, it is a requirement. Did you read past that sentence?

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#104575 May 23, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>Men of God led armies to destroy those who did evil. Did he not give young David the strength to kill Goliath? God allowed Moses to close the sea up on Pharaoh's army. Not the shedding of innocent blood. On the cross Jesus said that IF HE WANTED to He could call 10,000 Angels and they would fight for Him. I said and still say murder comes from hatred in the heart. Soldiers under orders, accidents, self defense etc. is not murder. God knows if you take a life on purpose and without cause. No one should kill animals just to watch them fall. Animals were placed here for meat. Nothing wrong as I see in killing animals for food. Jesus fed the multitude with fish. I find these people on here to think and speak unreasonably, and split hairs on everything the Bible says. They challenge you purposely by the splitting of hairs to try to make you look stupid. Every little word was not recorded which might go into more detail as in "Thou shalt not kill". There are exceptions to most every rule. God also knows their hearts are black and full of hate. Is it really necessary for ALL atheists to be so mean and hateful? Not willing to discuss anything without an offensive nature?
I agree. good post

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#104576 May 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/14/3...
"Both copper IUDs and levonorgestrel releasing IUSs may interfere with implantation, although this may not be the primary mechanism of action. The devices also create barriers to sperm transport and fertilization, and sensitive assays detect hCG in less than 1% of cycles, indicating that significant prevention must occur before the stage of implantation."
So, basically, even the copper IUD has evidence demonstrating that some non-zero chance of causing an abortion. It is well established that this doesn't happen the majority of the time, but it still can happen. As far as I know, all hormonal birth control methods have the same drawback. So do you support them, or do you support none of them?
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Nope, it's only backwards because you're focusing on the welfare of the zygote instead of the functioning person. It's about dealing with consequences that happen even when you are taking precautions.
I am not in favor of birth control that purposely destroyes the fertilized egg. So if these methods can perform this act, I'm not in favor.

The other scenario still sounds backwards to me. If you compare sex to driving:
Driving is to car crash, as sex is to abortion, does not equate.

In a car crash, either the car or people, or both are injured.

In an unwanted pregnancy (I'm assuming you mean as the accident), no one is injured (at least not yet). They are inconvenienced, but not needing "help" to save their life. They just don't want to be pregnant, so the abortion would be to end the life of the thing that will inconvenience them in the future. I don't think this is the same thing.

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#104577 May 23, 2013
NEPHILIM wrote:
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Let me ask you this since you seem to be the most well versed in bible teachings on here. I've argued this before on abortions but I guess no one sees it the way I do. The Jealousy Offering in Numbers 5 was God giving an abortion to unfaithful women.
If a guy thought his wife was cheating then he took her to the priest, he gave an offering and she had to drink a mixture of holy water and dust off the temple floor. The bible calls it "bitter water." If she was "defiled" then her belly would swell and her thigh would rot. If she wasn't tho then the bitter water wouldn't do anything to her.
Some people say that the scripture doesn't mention pregnancy but pregnancy does happen with adultery so in some cases the woman had to be pregnant at the time. The scripture doesn't say the baby would die and adultery was a death sentence so for the bible to mention her belly would swell and her thigh would rot had to be about an unborn child.
Anyway I would like to hear your opinion on it. It's found in Numbers 5, somewhere in the middle of the chapter. It reads to me that you think your wife cheated, you take her to a clinic, pay money, they give her a drink and if she is pregnant then God gave her an abortion.
I don't think this means the woman was pregnant. I think this was a way to judge her to deem if she was worthy of condemnation or innocent. The people were so carnal at this time that God gave them a lesser law to follow and made the priests judges over them. You can notice the change between this time and even the reign of David. David was the judge and judged by revelation from God only. He judged according to what was in their heart. In Numbers, everything was on the outside. You notice that people that had sinned in some way had some outward, visible problem that set them apart from others, and until they were clean, they had to leave the camp.
I think this bitter water thing was just a way to bring adultery out as a visible thing, so they could judge.

Just glad I live now, and not back then.

“See how you are?”

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#104578 May 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You and I disagree on this. Maybe if you show me where you got this information, it would help.
As for your comment on semantics: There are major differences in all of these nouns. Just because you don't choose to understand the differences, doesn't mean they are the same thing. They are as difference as go carts, mini-vans, aand race cars.
If you can't accept the anthropological origins of religion, you are probably too steeped in "modern" religion to be objective. Not my fault.
Can-Am, Caravan, Segway - all modes of conveying a human body to where it wants to go. Sociologically, there in no difference between a priest and a witch doctor. Both perform the EXACT same function. Conveying a human "spirit" to where they want to go.
ProvenScience

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#104579 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Now how about you go fix me a sammich and clean da damn house! lol
I'm not really a chauvinist pig, but I just love spinning you into a dimension of "pissed off" you've never entered before in your life.
I gratify in such an accomplishment!
Do you need a clorox wipe?

Worm.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104580 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
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almost as if you are being ignorant by design,
I really DO have to work at that.

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#104581 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Sorry, darlin'. Where do you think the earliest stories of the OT came from? Earlier civilizations such as the Sumerians. Where did they get their earliest stories from? Word of mouth, passed down stories from antiquity, sagas from even earlier times. Go back far enough and the mythologies started in mud huts and animal skin tents. AKA shamans and witch doctors trying to make sense of their mysterious world. Preachers, priests, rabbis and imams are still doing the exact same thing. BTW, shouldn't you be cooking supper and changing diapers?
You tell me. That's why they are called MYTHS! Because they are just that.
stuck in a lodi

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#104582 May 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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I really DO have to work at that.
I am not saying you didn't know the words meaning, I'm saying you didn't know the correct spelling , refused to admit it , and refused to try and learn how to spell it.

Remind me again about your post on learning things on the web when one makes an effort to do so!

“See how you are?”

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#104583 May 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
I really DO have to work at that.
Good job and a gold star for the day! Practice makes perfect.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104584 May 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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One of the positive aspects of the internet,sometimes good for actually enhancing knowledge, for those who wish to aptly do so.
Here it is !

“See how you are?”

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#104585 May 23, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>You tell me. That's why they are called MYTHS! Because they are just that.
Precisely! Now you are getting it - and certain people call them Genesis, Creation, intelligent design, or (LOL!) "Truth."
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104586 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
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I am not saying you didn't know the words meaning, I'm saying you didn't know the correct spelling , refused to admit it , and refused to try and learn how to spell it.
Remind me again about your post on learning things on the web when one makes an effort to do so!
It was purposely misspelled (except for the "l" which WAS a typo)

So, sorry about your grasping at straws, self-indulgent errant assumption (or what ever it is), but yew were WRONG-Again.

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