Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,534

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104591 May 23, 2013
Man who wants more wrote:
Ok ill admit I've had consensual sex with 4 ladies at the same time did not plan it it just happened. Was that wrong?
And then you woke up!

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#104592 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Precisely! Now you are getting it - and certain people call them Genesis, Creation, intelligent design, or (LOL!) "Truth."
We were speaking of shamans and witch doctors. They were real, yet powerless in reality. The same God gave life to all those shamans and witch doctors as he did to us. Some just do it wrong.

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#104593 May 23, 2013
Man who wants more wrote:
Ok ill admit I've had consensual sex with 4 ladies at the same time did not plan it it just happened. Was that wrong?
Other than logistics...no.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#104594 May 23, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>We were speaking of shamans and witch doctors. They were real, yet powerless in reality. The same God gave life to all those shamans and witch doctors as he did to us. Some just do it wrong.
Exactly. Priest, preacher, prophet, shaman, witch doctor, cosmic muffins, hairy thunderers, creators. You get it - mythologies.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104595 May 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not in favor of birth control that purposely destroyes the fertilized egg. So if these methods can perform this act, I'm not in favor.
OK, so since pretty much everything that doesn't physically stop the sperm has a chance of this, I guess that you don't support any birth control method other than condom/sponge/diaphragm and the like. Wouldn't you agree that it would be better to condone the other forms of birth control rather than only relying on methods with much higher rates of failure, therefore increasing the incidence of later term abortions?
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The other scenario still sounds backwards to me. If you compare sex to driving:
Driving is to car crash, as sex is to abortion, does not equate.
In a car crash, either the car or people, or both are injured.
In an unwanted pregnancy (I'm assuming you mean as the accident), no one is injured (at least not yet). They are inconvenienced, but not needing "help" to save their life. They just don't want to be pregnant, so the abortion would be to end the life of the thing that will inconvenience them in the future. I don't think this is the same thing.
Quit trying to make the car crash life threatening and quit severely devaluing the impact to a young female if you want to see my point. I'm not condoning either side, I just think that many religious people don't look at the human cost of forcing a naive child (who probably can't even support themselves) to carry a pregnancy to full term. I just don't think that anyone automatically placing the "needs" of a completely unaware and unthinking single digit celled zygote above the needs of a fully aware, fully thinking, and likely devastated human being is really being objective in any way.

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#104596 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>If you can't accept the anthropological origins of religion, you are probably too steeped in "modern" religion to be objective. Not my fault.
Can-Am, Caravan, Segway - all modes of conveying a human body to where it wants to go. Sociologically, there in no difference between a priest and a witch doctor. Both perform the EXACT same function. Conveying a human "spirit" to where they want to go.
As an outsider, maybe you see it that way. To me, you sound just like the religious people that you complain about trying to explain science.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104597 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Well if I were trying to make a statement of one pretending to have knowledge of something; I certainly would not intentionally misspell anything in that statement for fear of making myself look the fool
BUT different strokes for different folks
Cheers :)
Some of us don't have to pretend, therefore, we don't have to run around worrying about it.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#104598 May 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
As an outsider, maybe you see it that way. To me, you sound just like the religious people that you complain about trying to explain science.
Of course. I'm sorry, I'm sure it isn't your fault.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#104599 May 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
As an outsider, maybe you see it that way. To me, you sound just like the religious people that you complain about trying to explain science.
If a religious person explains science in a rational manner, there isn't any issue. It's when they get it bass ackward because they 1) are manipulative 2) have been manipulated or 3) just palin (LOL! accidentally appropriate typo, there) don't know what they are talking about that the issues become heated.
I don't care about your "priesthood." You can investigate the anthropological origins of religion for yourself, as you dare. I've found that the topic is somewhat interesting and relevant to the thread, since it is also closely related to the origins of the arts.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104600 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
If a religious person explains science in a rational manner, there isn't any issue. It's when they get it bass ackward because they 1) are manipulative 2) have been manipulated or 3) just palin (LOL! accidentally appropriate typo, there) don't know what they are talking about that the issues become heated.
I don't care about your "priesthood." You can investigate the anthropological origins of religion for yourself, as you dare. I've found that the topic is somewhat interesting and relevant to the thread, since it is also closely related to the origins of the arts.
Good Post. Well said

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#104602 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Priest, preacher, prophet, shaman, witch doctor, cosmic muffins, hairy thunderers, creators. You get it - mythologies.
I never have felt the presence of a shaman in my life. I do the Living God. Yes I do get it. Smart enough to know what's real and what isn't. I guess it's your word against mine. I'd like to ask you something. If we all initially came from some big bang, why are we like snowflakes. Shouldn't we all all have the same DNA/genetic make up? But..you cannot answer this because in all honesty no one knows what really happened. That is a fact. No human on earth can go back whether billions (as some claim) or thousands of years (as others claim) and tell the story beginning to end. That info does not exist. Studies and findings yes, theories yes. All the story?..no. Still searching for a way to prove their theory and will still be at it when they come face to face with the truth. It would take one who was there in the beginning to tell it all. Right? I know Him. And that's what I believe...Nite.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#104603 May 24, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, so since pretty much everything that doesn't physically stop the sperm has a chance of this, I guess that you don't support any birth control method other than condom/sponge/diaphragm and the like. Wouldn't you agree that it would be better to condone the other forms of birth control rather than only relying on methods with much higher rates of failure, therefore increasing the incidence of later term abortions?
<quoted text>
Quit trying to make the car crash life threatening and quit severely devaluing the impact to a young female if you want to see my point. I'm not condoning either side, I just think that many religious people don't look at the human cost of forcing a naive child (who probably can't even support themselves) to carry a pregnancy to full term. I just don't think that anyone automatically placing the "needs" of a completely unaware and unthinking single digit celled zygote above the needs of a fully aware, fully thinking, and likely devastated human being is really being objective in any way.
Precisely. Every time I get into this abortion discussion and I bring up kids having kids people seem to be unwilling to discuss it in those terms. They want to focus on 30-yo women having 8th month abortions...which is *incredibly rare*. But 13-yo girls getting pregnant is not so rare. And steering such a child toward having the baby is irresponsible of adults and it completely ignores the suffering of the child.

I understand the religious position, but it is based on magic and superstition. It requires you to think that when sperm hits egg God shoots a soul into it from Heaven...which is silly.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104604 May 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Monogamy began before recorded history, more than likely so they would feel an alliance with each other and the male would know which children were his that he needed to support. No ceremony or vow needed to happen for this type of union. Marriage wasn't talked about or confirmed in public until religions were involved. Feel free to research it. You can easily find this.
Again, civil unions are fine with me.
And you did ask about the leader of my church. I knew you didn't really want to know, that's why I didn't answer, I just told you his name so you could look him up if you wanted to. Again, you can call it discrimination if you want to. The best explanation I have heard was from an apostle. Men have the priesthood because we need it. Women seem to have a more natural tendency towards righteousness.
I asked for the scripture you claimed Jesus spoke of only men holding the priesthood. You failed to supply the answer.

You made the claim of marriage, now prove it. I think marriage came long before written history. Marriage is but a commitment.
In our society, government regulates this commitment and gives many benefits for that commitment. Religion fights that process due to bigotry. The same sort of bigotry that your church is well known for with black persons and women. Your church fought for prop eight and this cause many to not have the benefits of equality in our society.

I cannot remember every question I ask you. You run for days from so many that eventually I forget the question. Can you give me a hint on the leader question? How long ago did I ask the question?
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#104605 May 24, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text> I did not say it was 100% fool-proof. The majority of people who put the condom on in the correct manner do not experience "bursting or breakage". My point is; it's better than having no protection and risking such diseases.
For your second point, I said I encourage NO SEX UNTIL AFTER MARRIAGE, what part of that did you not understand? But I'm not going to pretend to be stupid in thinking that they will marry as a virgin! It is my responsibility as a parent to teach them SEX ED 101. for both genders! Yes and Amen wrote:
AMEN!
Lust of anything is bad, sex, money, power!
It all withers, rusts, and blows away!
What we think important today is garbage tomorrow!
I'm still trying to figure out how to take all the good stuff with me when I die.:) j/k
Trouble is... not a lot of "Good" here... since the fall! Memories of loves, and family?
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#104606 May 24, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
I'm just saying this not a specific toward anyone here. Going to church does not make one a christian no more than going to Mcdonalds makes you a hamburger! This is just my opinion , not directed to anyone at all
Agreed!
It's understanding just how evil we are... Killing, lusting, lying... Bad people in general (Just look at the people running the government!)
Knowing that God Loves us so much, that He gave us a way out of damnation... Jesus!
We repent, and turn from what we were, and trust that Jesus paid
for what we did!
Thank you Jesus!
Amen!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104607 May 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You seemed more heated than normal, and you began attacking me personally. I assumed you were more upset than normal. I wasn't offended, just trying to calm you down.
You support what your church does as far as bigotry to women. So if this is the part, then I stand by that accusation until you show you are not supporting that bigotry and discrimination. You are for this discrimination, correct? If so, do not whine about being called a bigot. Don't like being called a bigot? Then maybe stop supporting discrimination.
It was pointed out to you that not allowing women high ranking jobs is discrimination. Just because you have a different view about it for jobs outside your church does not get you off the hook. If you discriminate anywhere, you discriminate.

Does it upset me when people discriminate? Yes, and this is yet another reason I oppose your religion, not because I am secretly searching for your god.
It is very clear to me a just god would not be a bigot. Thus your god must be myth.
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#104608 May 24, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!
Morals should be taught in all stages of life, AND by ALL society!
Look at where we are now because we didn't!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104609 May 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't know my church was complaining about abortions. I thought it was just me on here stating my beliefs. Did I miss something?
Fighting gay marriage is their way of fighting for what they hold sacred in the eyes of God.
Read the next post. It is how the church feels about marriage.
Keep fighting gay marriage and keep seeing us protest your god and call it out as for being the myth that it is.

You are complaining about abortions. Are you going to tell us that your church does not, honestly?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104610 May 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
The Family
A Proclamation to the World
The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.
All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.
In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshipped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.
The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.
We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.
Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children.“Children are an heritage of the Lord”(Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.
The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

Edited for space.
Did you have a point?
Your church states that if one is not married in the Mormon church, the couple will not be together in heaven. So why are you not protesting all marriage outside your church?
Will allowing homosexuals to marry cause your beliefs to change? If not, then it is not changing anything for your marriage. Thus your complaints about gay marriage are petty.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104611 May 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Pay attention this time
Brigham: His opinion. Never stated it was a revelation.
Joseph: Stated the purposes and boundaries of the Priesthood and stated that it was direct revelation from Jesus Christ. Witnesses were present.
Sorry I do not know all the lingo of your religion. I now see that "revelation" does not mean it is in the bible, but just some claim by one of your fallible prophets.
So one of your fallible prophets claimed Jesus personally told him to discriminate against women and he had a few buddies who also heard Jesus say this? I would love for this prophet to have described what Jesus really looked like. It might have cleared up some of that race discrimination your church participated in for over a hundred years due to a fallible prophet and his claims.

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