Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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It is different, completely. There was no revelation given that blacks should not hold the priesthood. We already talked about this. This was Brigham's opinion and no one questioned it when they should have. Males as the only holders of the priesthood was a direct revelation from Jesus Christ. This is what makes the situations different. Once Jesus Christ speaks, the church obeys.
No I'm not offended.
Did I run from anything?
Yes. Jesus did not create the hierarchy of the church. That was done later - by men, and for 1900 years the church has diligently connived to defame Mary as a harlot and completely dismiss the roles of women in Jesus' entourage.

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The Churches do teach "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and to "Flee fornication". Besides that if you are old enough for intimacy then you are old enough to know about birth control. Before you become pregnant is the time for birth control, not after the fact. That cuts down on the need for so many abortions butt..a friend and I have discussed the horrific incidences of rape of a young girl or incest. Should an eleven year old girl be forced to carry and bear their own father's, uncle's or brother's etc. child? Would we in all honesty want our daughter to endure such a thing? Makes for a big decision and a lot of thought. Challenges even my strongest beliefs. Seriously.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>i think the language of "valley girl" is what leads one to abortion over adoption.
The condemnation you just showed towards the burden of raising a child is cause for some to abort in secret instead of being judged by the likes of you in church.
This is just another reality you ignore.
Abortion in secret or in public, or legal or illegal is still ending the life of a human.

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Face palm
Churches teach abstinence until marriage. This is the number one, absolute, 100% method to prevent an abortion.
It is not their place to teach how to use contraceptives any more than it is their place to teach sexual positions.
It isn't their place to teach gun safety tips to avoid accidental deaths.
It isn't their job to teach drivers education to prevent car accidents.
It isn't their job to teach chemical reactions to avoid accidental science fair mishaps at home.
It isn't their job to teach how to paint to prevent accidental falling off ladders.
I hope you get the point.
You cannot expect me to take you seriously if you think Church holds the responsibility to teach these things. They teach the gospel of Jesus Christ (at least mine does, the one you are currently attacking)
Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So bad germs had to be created by god in order for him to create bad ones?
You have all the answers for magic, don't you?
If you stripped all the "germs" out of your body right now, you would die. Come on science guy, you know this.

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<quoted text>You have to look at it from a religious perspective - just like birth defects are punishment for the sins of the parents,
recovering from life threatening diseases give people the opportunity to repent their sinful ways and Praise His Name. HIV is God's "magic bullet" against homosexuals. How could Jesus cure lepers if there was no Hansen's disease? STD's are a Divine Deterrent against promiscuity. God loves us all - He spares 1 in 10 Ebola cases, doesn't He? Plagues give Him the opportunity to demonstrate how well He restrains His wrath.
This is not how I see things so obviously your stereo typical response is invalid.

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Germs produce our antibodies.

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If you stripped all the "germs" out of your body right now, you would die. Come on science guy, you know this.
Generally, the term "germ" describes a pathogen. Come on religious guy, you know this.

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<quoted text>I respect your opinion, but...
Churchgoers are an incredible species.
If logic contortions were physical, there would be 2 billion circus performers in the world.
How does that apply to my comment?

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Do Whut Wrote: No, I would not wish women be kept from high ranking jobs. I have no problem with female CEO's or politicians (except Hillary haha. Is she female?).

lmao, perhaps she"s one of those she-males :) You know; the type that makes you wanna say ewwww
That's exactly my response every time I see her

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Abortion in secret or in public, or legal or illegal is still ending the life of a human.
And there are no Mormons in the military?(None of eligible age named Romney that I know of, anyway.)

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<quoted text>There is no footing to support the notion that marriage began as a religious act. If you are wed by a secular Justice of the Peace or sea captain, you are married - not unioned. Are there any women bishops in the LDS? NO. If you do not actively advocate women in your "priesthood," then you do not wish for women to have high ranking jobs. Don't propose invalid statements just to support religious opinion.
So where do you believe the act of marriage originated? And for what purpose?
The priesthood isn't a job or a career. And even within the priesthood, you don't earn or advance ranks like military or a company. It isn't the same thing.

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This is not how I see things so obviously your stereo typical response is invalid.
My stereotypical response or my mocking stereotypes? I typically attempt to phrase my generalizations as tongue-in-cheek, and the response was to Mike.
Stereotypes are never 100% valid, but it doesn't make them 100% invalid, either. Haven't you noticed the more radical (and less rational) fundamentalists' postings? Caricatures of reason.

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<quoted text>Maybe not. But should they (churches) be going out of their way to disrupt the teaching of contraceptive use? That seems irresponsible to me, but yet it's happening.
If a church professes that contraceptives should not be used, then I understand why they would try to interfere. I don't agree, but I understand that they would try to defend their beliefs. I think this practice would hurt more than it helps though

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<quoted text>Yes. Jesus did not create the hierarchy of the church. That was done later - by men, and for 1900 years the church has diligently connived to defame Mary as a harlot and completely dismiss the roles of women in Jesus' entourage.
Actually Jesus did set up the hierarchy of the church. Very plainly He set apart apostles from disciples, and He explained the callings within the priesthood as teachers, priests, deacons, quorum of the seventy, etc. Do you notice that all the apostles were men? Did you notice that Mary Magdelene, who was held in very high regard (some debate she was His wife) was never made an apostle?

Jesus did not demean women while doing this. He held both Mary's in high esteem, and was always respectful and helpful to women.

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<quoted text>Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!
Absolutely agree.
It is strongly taught in my church to boys and girls. I've have to teach those lessons myself.

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How does that apply to my comment?
I just think that one's thought processes have to contort through a lot of rigmarole to accept the doctrines and dogmas that have been built up by nearly two thousand years of theologians' crafting. If one can ascribe to it without any undue brain sweat, their brains are likely pretty squishy to begin with - present company excepted, of course.
How much credence do you place in Scientology or Heaven's Gate? Same thing.

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<quoted text>And there are no Mormons in the military?(None of eligible age named Romney that I know of, anyway.)
Defense is not considered murder.

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<quoted text>My stereotypical response or my mocking stereotypes? I typically attempt to phrase my generalizations as tongue-in-cheek, and the response was to Mike.
Stereotypes are never 100% valid, but it doesn't make them 100% invalid, either. Haven't you noticed the more radical (and less rational) fundamentalists' postings? Caricatures of reason.
Stereotyping is dangerous all the way around. Wouldn't you agree?

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Actually Jesus did set up the hierarchy of the church. Very plainly He set apart apostles from disciples, and He explained the callings within the priesthood as teachers, priests, deacons, quorum of the seventy, etc. Do you notice that all the apostles were men? Did you notice that Mary Magdelene, who was held in very high regard (some debate she was His wife) was never made an apostle?
Jesus did not demean women while doing this. He held both Mary's in high esteem, and was always respectful and helpful to women.
Personally, I think Mary WAS an apostle and that the early church couldn't handle the truth so they manhandled it, instead. Keep up the good work?

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