Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,264

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104553 May 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
as I prefer to "cultivate" (not destroy) COMMON SENSE, and the practices thereof.
Would you like a can of pledge and a dusting cloth instead?
AISLE 12..........


Oh I see Your area of expertise is how to find cleaning products.

Well, it's good to stick to what you know best.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104554 May 23, 2013
But pointing out Your errors DOES come with ease at times lol.

Less than
1 per 100 <----(moi et my point)
BEST (preventative choices!)

2-9 per 100

15-24 per 100 (failure rates) <----(You start here... then continue to decline on DOWN to the bottom of the list....)

About 25 per 100<----(to here-and even larger failure rates)

Have a nice day in DUH land of denial!!!
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104555 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I see Your area of expertise is how to find cleaning products.
Well, it's good to stick to what you know best.
On that we can agree-there's nothing worse than those who just "pretend" to know anything, and can offer NO proof of it, other than their own mere opinion-more commonly known as "ignorance in aclsheeyun".

Cheers!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104556 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Neither is posting facts or admitting when you are wrong. So what exactly IS your area of expertise?
revised. Add to this list: Cannot follow simple instructions when asked to do so!

I fear this list is going to continue to increase at an alarming rate!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104557 May 23, 2013
Cheers!
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104558 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
revised. Add to this list: Cannot follow simple instructions when asked to do so!
I fear this list is going to continue to increase at an alarming rate!
Well you just keep on hoping in that land of denial-maybe one of these days you'll finally reach some point of actual maturity and have a moment with some actual rational, stable, and most of all -SANE --independent thought.

Try not to let it awrl scare you too baDUHly in the meantime!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104559 May 23, 2013
Well Cleopatra (Proven Science) you reign supreme on DENIAL.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104560 May 23, 2013
laughing at *awrl* alright *y* then . I'll try my best.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104561 May 23, 2013
Now how about you go fix me a sammich and clean da damn house! lol

I'm not really a chauvinist pig, but I just love spinning you into a dimension of "pissed off" you've never entered before in your life.

I gratify in such an accomplishment!

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#104562 May 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are defending yourself, it means the attacker wishes to take your life. They aren't innocent.
Animals aren't human so that isn't murder either. War is debatable.
Men of God led armies to destroy those who did evil. Did he not give young David the strength to kill Goliath? God allowed Moses to close the sea up on Pharaoh's army. Not the shedding of innocent blood. On the cross Jesus said that IF HE WANTED to He could call 10,000 Angels and they would fight for Him. I said and still say murder comes from hatred in the heart. Soldiers under orders, accidents, self defense etc. is not murder. God knows if you take a life on purpose and without cause. No one should kill animals just to watch them fall. Animals were placed here for meat. Nothing wrong as I see in killing animals for food. Jesus fed the multitude with fish. I find these people on here to think and speak unreasonably, and split hairs on everything the Bible says. They challenge you purposely by the splitting of hairs to try to make you look stupid. Every little word was not recorded which might go into more detail as in "Thou shalt not kill". There are exceptions to most every rule. God also knows their hearts are black and full of hate. Is it really necessary for ALL atheists to be so mean and hateful? Not willing to discuss anything without an offensive nature?
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104563 May 23, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I see Your area of expertise is how to find cleaning products.
Well, it's good to stick to what you know best.
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
On that we can agree-there's nothing worse than those who just "pretend" to know anything, and can offer NO proof of it, other than their own mere opinion-more commonly known as "ignorance in aclsheeyun".
Cheers!
thank you for your apology! Glad you finally saw, and can admit to the error of your ways!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104564 May 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
On that we can agree-there's nothing worse than those who just "pretend" to know anything, and can offer NO proof of it, other than their own mere opinion-more commonly known as "ignorance in aclsheeyun".
Cheers!
Did you mean "ignorance in eclosion" It's really hard to follow you sometimes when you botch a spelling up to that extent, almost as if you are being ignorant by design, because you didn't know the correct spelling and didn't want to take the time or effort to learn.

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#104565 May 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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You can't comprehend that in the first and most primitive government the chief ruled through strength and the mystic influenced through arcane knowledge? That isn't my failing.
Witch doctor:
A magician credited with powers of healing, divination, and protection against the magic of others. Give me an M! O! S! H! E!
shaman, priest, prophet, televangelist... it's all semantics. A rose by any other name...
You and I disagree on this. Maybe if you show me where you got this information, it would help.

As for your comment on semantics: There are major differences in all of these nouns. Just because you don't choose to understand the differences, doesn't mean they are the same thing. They are as difference as go carts, mini-vans, aand race cars.

Since: Aug 10

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#104566 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Got evidence of your claims about marriage or is this just what the bible told you?
Marriage is a union. You are worried about the name because it is associated with your superstition of god.
Here in NC civil unions were outlawed. Why? Likely because it was on the same vote as gay marriage. So now the homosexuals do not even get that privilege.
It does not hurt you or your marriage if homosexuals marry. But you deny them this anyway. It is selfish. Immoral in my opinion and detrimental to society.
Just another reason I will continue to vocally oppose your religion.
And just what are you so offended about?
I really do not care about the leader of your church. Is he relevant to this conversation?
All I need to know is that he is a he, and not allowed to be a she. This is discrimination. Sadly, discrimination allowed legally due to the hands off government has with religion.
Monogamy began before recorded history, more than likely so they would feel an alliance with each other and the male would know which children were his that he needed to support. No ceremony or vow needed to happen for this type of union. Marriage wasn't talked about or confirmed in public until religions were involved. Feel free to research it. You can easily find this.

Again, civil unions are fine with me.

And you did ask about the leader of my church. I knew you didn't really want to know, that's why I didn't answer, I just told you his name so you could look him up if you wanted to. Again, you can call it discrimination if you want to. The best explanation I have heard was from an apostle. Men have the priesthood because we need it. Women seem to have a more natural tendency towards righteousness.

Since: Aug 10

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#104567 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Really curious about what insulted you so much on this post?
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you wish to withhold marriage to homosexuals due to your superstition and yet cannot understand why we oppose your religion?
America is not a theocracy. We should not be making law due to your superstitions.
Would you not be just as upset as I if Muslims became a majority in America and they made superstitious laws (Sharia law)?
I am sure your church would love it if women could be kept from high ranking jobs also.
We get it, you and your church are bigots. And you wonder why so many look at your church as if it were a cult?
Show us your church is a leader in morality then we can talk about it following an actual god.
Withholding rights and privileges due to race, sex, or sexual persuasion is not moral. Your church has done all three and is still doing two of them.
You and your church learned nothing from its racism debacle.
You seemed more heated than normal, and you began attacking me personally. I assumed you were more upset than normal. I wasn't offended, just trying to calm you down.

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#104568 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I here your church complaining about abortions, not gun accidents and the others you listed. Thus, this list is irrelevant to my point.
How is fighting gay marriage a job of the church? This is relevant.
I didn't know my church was complaining about abortions. I thought it was just me on here stating my beliefs. Did I miss something?

Fighting gay marriage is their way of fighting for what they hold sacred in the eyes of God.

Read the next post. It is how the church feels about marriage.

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#104569 May 23, 2013
The Family

A Proclamation to the World

The First Presidency and Council of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

We, the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, solemnly proclaim that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.

All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents, and, as such, each has a divine nature and destiny. Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.

In the premortal realm, spirit sons and daughters knew and worshipped God as their Eternal Father and accepted His plan by which His children could obtain a physical body and gain earthly experience to progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny as heirs of eternal life. The divine plan of happiness enables family relationships to be perpetuated beyond the grave. Sacred ordinances and covenants available in holy temples make it possible for individuals to return to the presence of God and for families to be united eternally.

The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force. We further declare that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.

We declare the means by which mortal life is created to be divinely appointed. We affirm the sanctity of life and of its importance in God’s eternal plan.

Husband and wife have a solemn responsibility to love and care for each other and for their children.“Children are an heritage of the Lord”(Psalm 127:3). Parents have a sacred duty to rear their children in love and righteousness, to provide for their physical and spiritual needs, and to teach them to love and serve one another, observe the commandments of God, and be law-abiding citizens wherever they live. Husbands and wives—mothers and fathers—will be held accountable before God for the discharge of these obligations.

The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. Happiness in family life is most likely to be achieved when founded upon the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness, respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities. By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation. Extended families should lend support when needed.

We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets.

We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society.

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#104570 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Abstinence teaching is far from one hundred percent effective. Again you deny the reality of the situation.
Again: Abstinence is 100% effective birth control. Abstinence outside of the bonds of marriage is the council and requirement from the Lord. Within marriage, it is up to the man and woman if they want to have kids or not. Birth control may be appropriate for them until they are ready.

People who practice abstinence is FAR from 100%, therefore birth control must be attempted to prevent unwanted pregnancies (married or not). However, it must be noted that contraception is never 100% effective. The person willingly engaging in the activity when they aren't ready for a child, should be ready to face the consequences in case the contraceptive does not do its job.

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#104571 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
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Brigham was the churches glorious infallible leader and no one questioned his bigoted ideas for over one hundred years.
Now you are afraid to question the bigoted ideas about sex and the priesthood.
You have demonstrated no difference between the two situations.
Yes, we talked about it, now tell me what variable is different?
Pay attention this time

Brigham: His opinion. Never stated it was a revelation.

Joseph: Stated the purposes and boundaries of the Priesthood and stated that it was direct revelation from Jesus Christ. Witnesses were present.

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#104572 May 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>In what scripture does Jesus make this bigoted revelation?
All through the Doctrine and Covenants.

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