Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,853

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104452 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Abortion in secret or in public, or legal or illegal is still ending the life of a human.
And there are no Mormons in the military?(None of eligible age named Romney that I know of, anyway.)

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#104453 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>There is no footing to support the notion that marriage began as a religious act. If you are wed by a secular Justice of the Peace or sea captain, you are married - not unioned. Are there any women bishops in the LDS? NO. If you do not actively advocate women in your "priesthood," then you do not wish for women to have high ranking jobs. Don't propose invalid statements just to support religious opinion.
So where do you believe the act of marriage originated? And for what purpose?
The priesthood isn't a job or a career. And even within the priesthood, you don't earn or advance ranks like military or a company. It isn't the same thing.

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#104454 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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This is not how I see things so obviously your stereo typical response is invalid.
My stereotypical response or my mocking stereotypes? I typically attempt to phrase my generalizations as tongue-in-cheek, and the response was to Mike.
Stereotypes are never 100% valid, but it doesn't make them 100% invalid, either. Haven't you noticed the more radical (and less rational) fundamentalists' postings? Caricatures of reason.

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#104455 May 22, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe not. But should they (churches) be going out of their way to disrupt the teaching of contraceptive use? That seems irresponsible to me, but yet it's happening.
If a church professes that contraceptives should not be used, then I understand why they would try to interfere. I don't agree, but I understand that they would try to defend their beliefs. I think this practice would hurt more than it helps though

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#104456 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Jesus did not create the hierarchy of the church. That was done later - by men, and for 1900 years the church has diligently connived to defame Mary as a harlot and completely dismiss the roles of women in Jesus' entourage.
Actually Jesus did set up the hierarchy of the church. Very plainly He set apart apostles from disciples, and He explained the callings within the priesthood as teachers, priests, deacons, quorum of the seventy, etc. Do you notice that all the apostles were men? Did you notice that Mary Magdelene, who was held in very high regard (some debate she was His wife) was never made an apostle?

Jesus did not demean women while doing this. He held both Mary's in high esteem, and was always respectful and helpful to women.

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#104457 May 22, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!
Absolutely agree.
It is strongly taught in my church to boys and girls. I've have to teach those lessons myself.

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#104458 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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How does that apply to my comment?
I just think that one's thought processes have to contort through a lot of rigmarole to accept the doctrines and dogmas that have been built up by nearly two thousand years of theologians' crafting. If one can ascribe to it without any undue brain sweat, their brains are likely pretty squishy to begin with - present company excepted, of course.
How much credence do you place in Scientology or Heaven's Gate? Same thing.

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#104459 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And there are no Mormons in the military?(None of eligible age named Romney that I know of, anyway.)
Defense is not considered murder.

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#104460 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>My stereotypical response or my mocking stereotypes? I typically attempt to phrase my generalizations as tongue-in-cheek, and the response was to Mike.
Stereotypes are never 100% valid, but it doesn't make them 100% invalid, either. Haven't you noticed the more radical (and less rational) fundamentalists' postings? Caricatures of reason.
Stereotyping is dangerous all the way around. Wouldn't you agree?

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#104461 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Actually Jesus did set up the hierarchy of the church. Very plainly He set apart apostles from disciples, and He explained the callings within the priesthood as teachers, priests, deacons, quorum of the seventy, etc. Do you notice that all the apostles were men? Did you notice that Mary Magdelene, who was held in very high regard (some debate she was His wife) was never made an apostle?
Jesus did not demean women while doing this. He held both Mary's in high esteem, and was always respectful and helpful to women.
Personally, I think Mary WAS an apostle and that the early church couldn't handle the truth so they manhandled it, instead. Keep up the good work?
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#104462 May 22, 2013
JESUS is a healer and peacemaker ....Judaism is a religion ..............zionism is a new , racist cult that hijacked some Madoffs , Chertoffs , Marc Dreier , Tony Dalsimer , mike raphan banksters and Eric Cantor and Menechem Youlus and jack teitel... see GATEKEEPERS , Goldstone Report and Lavon Affair, watch out for the AIPAC wolfpacks in cars with FL tags LXE 904 , 617 TIH , BAL Y35 , J36 4LI, GOAMG , VCA73 , 243 PIE , 244 PIE , 494 MIU , 712 MAP.

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#104463 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So where do you believe the act of marriage originated? And for what purpose?
The priesthood isn't a job or a career. And even within the priesthood, you don't earn or advance ranks like military or a company. It isn't the same thing.
To find the origins of marriage, look at continuity of family, property, tribe and political influence. Socially, those things all predate religion, unless you believe that religion is older than mankind. shrug. Not much help for that.
The concept and practice of "priesthoods" are not confined to the LDS, or even Christianity, and like any other power structure it is more often peppered with segregation and elitism than not.

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#104464 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Of course I believe in a divine plan, just not predestination. There is a huge difference
Explain the difference then.

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#104465 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Defense is not considered murder.
this is correct, however, neither is killing a convicted murderer considered murder. Murder is taking life illegally. Abortion is not murder either.

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#104466 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I just think that one's thought processes have to contort through a lot of rigmarole to accept the doctrines and dogmas that have been built up by nearly two thousand years of theologians' crafting. If one can ascribe to it without any undue brain sweat, their brains are likely pretty squishy to begin with - present company excepted, of course.
How much credence do you place in Scientology or Heaven's Gate? Same thing.
I get that you think all religious people are lacking upstairs.

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#104467 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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this is correct, however, neither is killing a convicted murderer considered murder. Murder is taking life illegally. Abortion is not murder either.
But it IS Homicide....

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#104468 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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There is no footing to support the notion that marriage began as a religious act. If you are wed by a secular Justice of the Peace or sea captain, you are married - not unioned. Are there any women bishops in the LDS? NO. If you do not actively advocate women in your "priesthood," then you do not wish for women to have high ranking jobs. Don't propose invalid statements just to support religious opinion.
Maybe the first marriage was not a religious act but the first man and woman were joined as one flesh by God.(Genesis 2 18-25.) A judge or captain or preacher can legally marry two people. God joins the two as one flesh. Many no longer want the traditional vows and promises to God that they will honer those vows. It's now till divorce do us part. The divorce rate is climbing everyday and the institution of marriage is disappearing fast. Most live together first, if they ever do marry. Virgins.. not the whores, are ridiculed now. Purity no longer matters to most men. I really don't believe two non-believers are joined by God. He says it is better to not vow at all than to vow and break it. Without sincerely taking your vows before God, and asking Him to sanctify the marriage leaves you with a civil union. Matter of fact God set forth what was expected of a husband and what was expected of a wife. Actually a woman was never told to go away from the home to work. To bear the man's children and keep the home fires burning,(working to make a good home) were the way it was meant to be. Not his slave but his help meet. To love her as Christ loved the Church of which he died for. There is no shame in anything now. Big difference between a prudent wife and a prude.

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#104469 May 22, 2013
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but IUDs, as with other chemical/hormonal birth control methods, generally attempt to prevent fertilization either by preventing the release of eggs or killing sperm. These attempts do fail. And these birth control methods generally have "backup" effects that cause the uterus to be unfavorable for pregnancy, causing the fertilized egg to be rejected.
This fact is a large part of my confusion about the opinions of "life begins at conception" people who also support birth control methods like this. It would seem to me that these have a significant chance of essentially being automatic abortion of a zygote, and would therefore be absolutely incompatible with such a view. Is this a matter of people not understanding the mechanism involved, or do they consider it an unfortunate side effect that is OK because it generally tends to happen less than 10% of the time.
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Yes, they know the risks, but you know the risks when you get in a car. If you have a wreck, should you not be able to get help with the situation, or should you have to lay in the ditch bleeding and just deal with it because you knew the risks?
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I tend to say things that way because people generally do not "get" the difference between 1% and 2%. It's not that they intentionally try to diminish the difference, it's just the way the human mind works unless you train it to deal with statistics. The fact is, a 2% occurrence happens 100% more often than a 1% occurrence. So if something actually happens 10-11% of the time instead of 1%...
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Because you're capable of being more articulate than the vast majority of people I've seen that share your general opinion on this. Maybe you could explain your position where others have utterly failed. Perhaps you will actually consider questions that I have about things that I see as highly inconsistent. I mean, after almost a week of prodding, you've eventually given me pretty good answers.
I don't share my opinions because things get very very gray for me after a point. This isn't black or white and I don't have any stance that I could hold firm to (and CERTAINLY nothing that I would stand on a soapbox for), whereas you apparently do. I honestly don't know what I would be inclined to do in some situations, and I can see multiple sides with valid points.
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I'm not sure that going down that path is beneficial to your position. If an individual is brain dead, then I cannot imagine why a single penny should be spent keeping the rest of their body "alive" when there are people with fully formed and functioning brains suffering and dying all over the world, and the organs of the brain dead person could undoubtedly save many lives. It does far more good for humanity (and is clearly the moral choice) to simply let them go, and it's utterly selfish on the part of the families that cling to nothing for years and years.
Some IUDs do not use hormones. I am not in favor of the ones that terminate a fertilized egg. Prevention is fine.

The car analogy seems backwards. The victim of a car accident would need help staying alive. This seems backwards from the person that needs help ending a life.

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#104470 May 22, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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But it IS Homicide....
So is killing in self defense and killing a convicted murderer.

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#104471 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Personally, I think Mary WAS an apostle and that the early church couldn't handle the truth so they manhandled it, instead. Keep up the good work?
No, it was clear that there were 12 apostles. When one killed himself, he was replaced, to keep it at 12 to represent the 12 tribes of Israel.

He showed Himself to Mary at the tomb, then He visited the apostles. Thomas wasn't present so He came back to make sure all 12 were present. Mary wasn't present at that meeting. However, I'm not opposed to the idea that Mary was His wife. That is very possible.

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