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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149993 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104438 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Calm down Mike. No need for insult on an opinion forum.
Marriage began within religion. Why would someone even care about marriage if they don't believe in any form of religion? Civil unions are just fine with me for gays. They should receive the same benefits as marriage. The word marriage matters to religious people because it carries the belief that God is a part of the union. Civil union carries all the same rights in the rest of the world, but it isn't recognized by God. Since you don't believe in God, why would you care if He recognized it or not?
No, I would not wish women be kept from high ranking jobs. I have no problem with female CEO's or politicians (except Hillary haha. Is she female?). I would vote for a woman for president if her views and intentions were acceptable. Please don't speak for me.
If you want to learn about the leader of my church, google him. Thomas S Monson
There is no footing to support the notion that marriage began as a religious act. If you are wed by a secular Justice of the Peace or sea captain, you are married - not unioned. Are there any women bishops in the LDS? NO. If you do not actively advocate women in your "priesthood," then you do not wish for women to have high ranking jobs. Don't propose invalid statements just to support religious opinion.

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#104439 May 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Piggly Wigglies do not claim to be getting messages from a god and do not claim to be promoting agendas to life. Your church does.
Talk about changing the subject.
Not changing the subject, just relating the absurdity.

The message from God is abstinence, remember?

Police don't say "You must always wear your seat belts. But if you choose to disobey, make sure you throw your arm in front of your toddler in the front seat to prevent them from going through the windshield"

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#104440 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It is not their place to teach how to use contraceptives any more than it is their place to teach sexual positions...
Maybe not. But should they (churches) be going out of their way to disrupt the teaching of contraceptive use? That seems irresponsible to me, but yet it's happening.
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#104441 May 22, 2013
Ummm Wrote: I don't share my opinions because things get very very gray for me after a point. This isn't black or white and I don't have any stance that I could hold firm to (and CERTAINLY nothing that I would stand on a soapbox for), whereas you apparently do. I honestly don't know what I would be inclined to do in some situations, and I can see multiple sides with valid points

Wow! I must say I completely admire and respect your comment above ,and agree that alot of topics are gray areas for alot of people.
Allow me to be the first to say Thank You for finally answering it.

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#104442 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It is different, completely. There was no revelation given that blacks should not hold the priesthood. We already talked about this. This was Brigham's opinion and no one questioned it when they should have. Males as the only holders of the priesthood was a direct revelation from Jesus Christ. This is what makes the situations different. Once Jesus Christ speaks, the church obeys.
No I'm not offended.
Did I run from anything?
Yes. Jesus did not create the hierarchy of the church. That was done later - by men, and for 1900 years the church has diligently connived to defame Mary as a harlot and completely dismiss the roles of women in Jesus' entourage.

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#104443 May 22, 2013
The Churches do teach "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and to "Flee fornication". Besides that if you are old enough for intimacy then you are old enough to know about birth control. Before you become pregnant is the time for birth control, not after the fact. That cuts down on the need for so many abortions butt..a friend and I have discussed the horrific incidences of rape of a young girl or incest. Should an eleven year old girl be forced to carry and bear their own father's, uncle's or brother's etc. child? Would we in all honesty want our daughter to endure such a thing? Makes for a big decision and a lot of thought. Challenges even my strongest beliefs. Seriously.

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#104444 May 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>i think the language of "valley girl" is what leads one to abortion over adoption.
The condemnation you just showed towards the burden of raising a child is cause for some to abort in secret instead of being judged by the likes of you in church.
This is just another reality you ignore.
Abortion in secret or in public, or legal or illegal is still ending the life of a human.

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#104445 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Face palm
Churches teach abstinence until marriage. This is the number one, absolute, 100% method to prevent an abortion.
It is not their place to teach how to use contraceptives any more than it is their place to teach sexual positions.
It isn't their place to teach gun safety tips to avoid accidental deaths.
It isn't their job to teach drivers education to prevent car accidents.
It isn't their job to teach chemical reactions to avoid accidental science fair mishaps at home.
It isn't their job to teach how to paint to prevent accidental falling off ladders.
I hope you get the point.
You cannot expect me to take you seriously if you think Church holds the responsibility to teach these things. They teach the gospel of Jesus Christ (at least mine does, the one you are currently attacking)
Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!

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#104446 May 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So bad germs had to be created by god in order for him to create bad ones?
You have all the answers for magic, don't you?
If you stripped all the "germs" out of your body right now, you would die. Come on science guy, you know this.

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#104447 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>You have to look at it from a religious perspective - just like birth defects are punishment for the sins of the parents,
recovering from life threatening diseases give people the opportunity to repent their sinful ways and Praise His Name. HIV is God's "magic bullet" against homosexuals. How could Jesus cure lepers if there was no Hansen's disease? STD's are a Divine Deterrent against promiscuity. God loves us all - He spares 1 in 10 Ebola cases, doesn't He? Plagues give Him the opportunity to demonstrate how well He restrains His wrath.
This is not how I see things so obviously your stereo typical response is invalid.

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#104448 May 22, 2013
Germs produce our antibodies.

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#104449 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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If you stripped all the "germs" out of your body right now, you would die. Come on science guy, you know this.
Generally, the term "germ" describes a pathogen. Come on religious guy, you know this.

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#104450 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I respect your opinion, but...
Churchgoers are an incredible species.
If logic contortions were physical, there would be 2 billion circus performers in the world.
How does that apply to my comment?

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#104451 May 22, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Do Whut Wrote: No, I would not wish women be kept from high ranking jobs. I have no problem with female CEO's or politicians (except Hillary haha. Is she female?).

lmao, perhaps she"s one of those she-males :) You know; the type that makes you wanna say ewwww
That's exactly my response every time I see her

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#104452 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Abortion in secret or in public, or legal or illegal is still ending the life of a human.
And there are no Mormons in the military?(None of eligible age named Romney that I know of, anyway.)

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#104453 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>There is no footing to support the notion that marriage began as a religious act. If you are wed by a secular Justice of the Peace or sea captain, you are married - not unioned. Are there any women bishops in the LDS? NO. If you do not actively advocate women in your "priesthood," then you do not wish for women to have high ranking jobs. Don't propose invalid statements just to support religious opinion.
So where do you believe the act of marriage originated? And for what purpose?
The priesthood isn't a job or a career. And even within the priesthood, you don't earn or advance ranks like military or a company. It isn't the same thing.

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#104454 May 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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This is not how I see things so obviously your stereo typical response is invalid.
My stereotypical response or my mocking stereotypes? I typically attempt to phrase my generalizations as tongue-in-cheek, and the response was to Mike.
Stereotypes are never 100% valid, but it doesn't make them 100% invalid, either. Haven't you noticed the more radical (and less rational) fundamentalists' postings? Caricatures of reason.

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#104455 May 22, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe not. But should they (churches) be going out of their way to disrupt the teaching of contraceptive use? That seems irresponsible to me, but yet it's happening.
If a church professes that contraceptives should not be used, then I understand why they would try to interfere. I don't agree, but I understand that they would try to defend their beliefs. I think this practice would hurt more than it helps though

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#104456 May 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Yes. Jesus did not create the hierarchy of the church. That was done later - by men, and for 1900 years the church has diligently connived to defame Mary as a harlot and completely dismiss the roles of women in Jesus' entourage.
Actually Jesus did set up the hierarchy of the church. Very plainly He set apart apostles from disciples, and He explained the callings within the priesthood as teachers, priests, deacons, quorum of the seventy, etc. Do you notice that all the apostles were men? Did you notice that Mary Magdelene, who was held in very high regard (some debate she was His wife) was never made an apostle?

Jesus did not demean women while doing this. He held both Mary's in high esteem, and was always respectful and helpful to women.

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#104457 May 22, 2013
Wings of a Dove wrote:
<quoted text>Do whut, it is though, the Church's place to teach morality, which also includes men raping women and girls, or sex for money and drugs. That is a good percentage of unwanted pregnancies now. It does not all fall on the woman or young girl. Men are just as guilty. Seems the Church lacks in teaching men and boys the same moral guidelines as they do the females. "Guys keep your hands off her till marriage" should be taught the same as "girls save yourself till marriage". It still takes two!
Absolutely agree.
It is strongly taught in my church to boys and girls. I've have to teach those lessons myself.

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