Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,123

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104352 May 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =K5nUUD8SM0YXX
A man is a very small thing, and the night is very large and full of wonders.
&#8213; Lord Dunsany
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104353 May 21, 2013
http://www.bing.com/images/search...

ok here's my quota for today. LOL
glasses for fighting chickens!
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#104354 May 21, 2013
Okay you all , here's mine, y'all know how I love them.. Bad officials are elected by good citizens , who refuse to vote..

“There is no god.”

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#104355 May 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Crom? I haven't read any R. E. Howard in decades.
Just read some of his early works not conan class but fair.
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#104356 May 21, 2013
It's frustrating when you know all the answers, but nobody bothers to ask you the questions. - Author unknown

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#104357 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Well sh$t, thats just a 7 day trial , and I'm too tight to spend my hard earned $$ on that. I guess I'll just continue to make my mistakes.
Heh. Sorry. I was being an a$$ anyway.
So true

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#104358 May 21, 2013
Marriages are made in heaven. But so again, are thunder and lightning. - Anonymous

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#104359 May 21, 2013
Electratroll wrote:
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Sorry, no agree to disagree to disagree about this one. As I said, except for forced situations, the woman exercised her RIGHT when she willingly had the sex that she knew could make the baby. Children, of course, don't count. They are not developmentally able to make the decision, and because they are not taught that sex does not equal love, well, you know the outcome.
As to what is considered OK by prevailing science, a baby's heart is already beating as it travels down the fallopian tubes after fertilization. By the time a woman discovers she is pregnant, the baby has everything we do, including the ability to feel pain. I don't think that those horrible movies should be shown, either. Like I said, opposing sides need to work together to intelligently solve the problem, not act the fool, like a lot of them do now. The unwanted pregnancies and abortions would drastically decrease.
Teenager? Of course I was a teenager. I didn't have sex until I was in college. Shocking? Probably wouldn't have done that, but I'm bi-polar and had a mania episode. Mania and no sex before marriage do not go hand in hand.
Prior to about 26 weeks a baby cannot feel pain and has no awareness yet. It is not a person, in any reasonable sense of the word. It is alive, of course. But not a person yet.

A woman usually knows shes pregnant long before 26 weeks. Check your science website again. Make sure the word "god" isn't in the URL or else you'll get junk.

So you are of the opinion that when a 12-yo girl willingly has sex with her boyfriend and gets pregnant she should become a 12-yo mother? Because that's a recipe for poverty and teen pregnancy. It is a cycle.

Abortion should be the favored option in a case like that. Always. To hell with the idea that a penis shoots a soul into a vagina. That is not reality. Reality is little girls getting knocked up and ruining their lives because mom and dad believe in magic.

And I don't even care if it was a choice or not. And I don't care about the age of the mother. If a 35-yo woman has sex without protection, gets pregnant, and decides she does not want to have a baby then she should be able to get an abortion. And it isn't my business or yours. Ever.

The last thing I'd want as a woman is some wrinkled old white dude in a suit sitting on Capital Hill with his hands in my vagina telling me what to do with it.
So true

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#104360 May 21, 2013
Nite all !!!

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Since: Jul 12

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#104361 May 21, 2013
So true wrote:
Marriages are made in heaven. But so again, are thunder and lightning.- Anonymous
There are 2 things I go to church for; weddings and funerals - and both are the end of life as we know it.- me

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#104362 May 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>The single biggest advance in medicine has been sanitation. Simple hand washing has saved countless lives in child birthing - yet it was God who created the germs. How many centuries has God been punishing the innocent for not inventing the microscope sooner? Religious logic is anti logic.
Think of what germs do for us though. They aren't all bad. Just like vultures. They are disgusting but serve a purpose.

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#104363 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Then you do not believe in any divine plan either, because the two are the same thing, only one makes the assertion that there is something setting it all up.
Of course I believe in a divine plan, just not predestination. There is a huge difference

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#104364 May 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Prior to about 26 weeks a baby cannot feel pain and has no awareness yet. It is not a person, in any reasonable sense of the word. It is alive, of course. But not a person yet.

A woman usually knows shes pregnant long before 26 weeks. Check your science website again. Make sure the word "god" isn't in the URL or else you'll get junk.

So you are of the opinion that when a 12-yo girl willingly has sex with her boyfriend and gets pregnant she should become a 12-yo mother? Because that's a recipe for poverty and teen pregnancy. It is a cycle.

Abortion should be the favored option in a case like that. Always. To hell with the idea that a penis shoots a soul into a vagina. That is not reality. Reality is little girls getting knocked up and ruining their lives because mom and dad believe in magic.

And I don't even care if it was a choice or not. And I don't care about the age of the mother. If a 35-yo woman has sex without protection, gets pregnant, and decides she does not want to have a baby then she should be able to get an abortion. And it isn't my business or yours. Ever.

The last thing I'd want as a woman is some wrinkled old white dude in a suit sitting on Capital Hill with his hands in my vagina telling me what to do with it.
If someone you don't know kills someone else you don't know, is it your business? No, not really. But would you want the killer prosecuted and kept off the streets? Most people would say yes.
It's alive. You shouldn't kill it because you had a valley girl moment and decided you just don't need that burden right now.

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Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#104365 May 21, 2013
Thanks for supplying most of the answers.
do whut wrote:
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If you mean "morning after" pills, no. I do not think this is ok either because to me, the fertilized egg has the capacity to become a human.
Not just those. You're oversimplifying, or perhaps aren't aware of the methods of operation. You must also consider IUDs and standard birth control hormones (pill/injection/implant/patch/ ring). Are those OK, and why/why not?
do whut wrote:
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In the case of rape, the victim is scarred for life already.
To me, this is kind of like "well, she just lost a hand already. losing another is not a big deal". It may not be the intent, but that's how it sounds when you bring the fact that she is traumatized even without enduring pregnancy.
do whut wrote:
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She is scarred emotionally and many times physically. This is one of the two instances that I fully agree does not warrant a cut and dry answer. If the rape victim is of a very young age, it is likely that carrying out the pregnancy will permanently damage her body. Of course there are cases where there is no permanent damage too. But if the victim is pre-teen, I would certainly understand a wanted abortion. In most rape cases, the victim is older and there is no abnormal risks to her body. I think adoption is best in these cases, but understand if they wanted an abortion.
Now we're getting somewhere. I finally see where you acknowledge that this issue is not black\white. Is this feeling extended to young women who take precautions, use protection properly, and manage to be that 1-3% that fails? Especially if they are in no financial position to be raising a child or are part of a community in which their are significant repercussions for being a young single pregnant girl?
do whut wrote:
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Again, these cases represent less than 1% of abortions.
Not sure how reported rate of occurrence is relevant in any way to this discussion. If we were going to discuss it, I would bring up how the vast, vast majority of rapes are never reported and how the reporting of rape as a reason for abortion could be expected to be many hundreds of percent off. But, again, irrelevant since I'm just trying to understand your position.

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#104366 May 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Think of what germs do for us though. They aren't all bad. Just like vultures. They are disgusting but serve a purpose.
Irrelevant to the point, just as it is irrelevant that there are more microbes in the human body than there are human cells. Millions died before Pasteur, Lister, Jenner, Salk - and if one makes that claim that a god provided the means to discover, that same god prohibited those discoveries from coming sooner.
The "loving god" is supremely amoral, detached and dispassionate, just as should be expected of a figment.

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#104367 May 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Of course I believe in a divine plan, just not predestination. There is a huge difference
So Jesus wasn't predestined to become a martyr - he could have just opened a furniture shop, had a bunch of kids and lived to a ripe old age grousing about the temple, taxes and the occupation just like his neighbors did.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104368 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
stuck in a lodi wrote:
using condoms are 90 to 95% effective when used with other agents as spermacide or birth control. This is fact! I cannot answer for those people who are not smart enough to read directions for use of how to apply poperly , or are not informed on the risks/benefits factor.
damn Dr. Clark says 99% effective, I was wrong! I wasn't agreeing with you proven science. I still stand on , and completely agree with my stats! Not Yours. Simply because I stated using a condom ALONG WITH spermacides AND birth control makes that % of effectivness CORRECT!
Actually, it has also been noted many times, such can WEAKEN (as in break down) the materials condoms are sometimes made of.

PROVEN SCIENCE.

If you cannot deal with actual FACTS, don't even bother to respond, because your ignorance will just be ignored.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104369 May 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Apparently you don't read as well as you think you do:
"Each year, 2 out of 100 women whose partners use condoms will become pregnant if they always use condoms correctly."
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topic...
"correctly" being a KEY word.

15-24 % in a NON-perfect world.

If you can NOT be GOOD, at least be safe.

Just admit it-there are far more proven effective means of prevention of unwanted pregnancies...for those TRULY sincere about such--it just reliess on FEMALEs being HONEST enough with themselves (let alone the poor saps that believe the bullchit bunk of anything else), to face the FACTS.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104370 May 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Planned Parenthood placed condoms (male condoms) in the 15-24% ineffective grouping because, according to their stats, if used incorrectly condoms are only 82% effective. If used correctly they are 98% effective.
Hense that excuse of "its duh condoms faurlt"

Nope-never found such ineffective percentages to be acceptable here. But then again, never wanted to "trap" (mistakingly and definetly NOT purposely-- anyone into anything either-so always felt better much SAFER than sorry was always the more intelligent option for sure!!

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#104371 May 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Think of what germs do for us though. They aren't all bad. Just like vultures. They are disgusting but serve a purpose.
OK. So God created all things, even the ones that kill us.

Doesn't that make God indistinguishable from nature?

If your God is just nature...good ole scientifically-demonstrable nature...then I believe in God.

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