Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#104311 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Unlike many of you, I do not have the spare time to dig through and catch all posts, but yes, saving a person from death at any time is playing god, it is opposing the will of nature or whatever god may be. It is unfair to say that only one group can play god and not the other.
I believe it is using the knowledge that God gave us, to help others.

So one group is doctors that can help the quality of life for others. Who is the other group? Abortionists that end lives? I hope you can draw that distinction as it is really easy for me to do so.

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#104312 May 21, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Then you should realize condoms are NOT all that of an effective means of of birth control...
Oh really? And what exactly are you basing this statement on?

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#104313 May 21, 2013
Doodle wrote:
<quoted text>Well apparently you do have doubts my friend or why else would you be on here even talking and naming someone whom you say doesn't even exist! I do believe you believe He exist or else you really wouldn't even want to debate it. You wouldn't even be on here if you weren't curious and that's the real truth!
It's a community service. We are trying to improve our world by eliminating ignorance wherever it exists. And in this place it exists in abundance.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104314 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Unlike many of you, I do not have the spare time to dig through and catch all posts, but yes, saving a person from death at any time is playing god, it is opposing the will of nature or whatever god may be. It is unfair to say that only one group can play god and not the other.
thank you for your reply and good to know... You're not a Physician are ya? lol Because if I am ever in need of my life being saved I damn sure don't want someone who has your point of view over my living or dieing, cause I am an accident waiting to happen and I want to live as long as I can. I cut the main artery in my arm with a chainsaw quite a few years ago; had it not been for that Doc. I would have died. Sure glad he didn't hold your view! Let me ask ya this. Do you have children? If so, If one of your children were "lets say hit by a drunk driver" and your child's life could be saved if the physician attended to them quickly.. would you insist them doing so or say to that Doc..Don't play God?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104315 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
thank you for your reply and good to know... You're not a Physician are ya? lol Because if I am ever in need of my life being saved I damn sure don't want someone who has your point of view over my living or dieing, cause I am an accident waiting to happen and I want to live as long as I can. I cut the main artery in my arm with a chainsaw quite a few years ago; had it not been for that Doc. I would have died. Sure glad he didn't hold your view! Let me ask ya this. Do you have children? If so, If one of your children were "lets say hit by a drunk driver" and your child's life could be saved if the physician attended to them quickly.. would you insist them doing so or say to that Doc..Don't play God?
Most doctors privately revel in the fact that they know they are playing god.

“HATRED EATS THE SOUL OF”

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THE HATER -- NOT THE HATED

#104316 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did I mention vitamins?
However, saving a life is playing god.
How do you consider saving a life playing God? You do not believe in God so therefore it can't be playing God. The knowledge God has given us to make the advancements in science is why we are able to save people. Now you believe all in "science" but not in "God" so shouldn't you see saving a life as "playing scientist" LMAO

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104317 May 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I just don't agree that it is most, but I acknowledge there are many. No one in my family needed anything other than someone to deliver the child.
I do not see the assistance you speak of as playing God. Just as I don't see someone taking medicine to help their body stay healthy as playing God. You mentioned the cord. That doesn't seem any different to me than someone having bypass surgery, a stint, or a heart transplant. To me it isn't playing God.
Anything altering the fate of the organism through the use of intelligence is playing god, that is what altering fate is. But that's the thing, how do you know one is and not the other? How do you know that the fate was not for them to die?

Also, it is most. The very fact that medications are taken to eliminate illness in the mother, such as vaccines, is medication that has altered the chances of the fetus not being born alive. Not all ailments that prevent the fetus from living directly effect the fetus.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104318 May 21, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you consider saving a life playing God? You do not believe in God so therefore it can't be playing God. The knowledge God has given us to make the advancements in science is why we are able to save people. Now you believe all in "science" but not in "God" so shouldn't you see saving a life as "playing scientist" LMAO
Um, your god is not the only god in mythology, and the word "god" is an adjective. You are really stupid, you know that, right?
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104319 May 21, 2013
you didn't answer my question:
Now I'm a betting person.(i know, i'm breaking another of them 10 rules) I bet Kitten you will not answer my question, but if you do , be honest. Anyone in their right frame of mind would plead and beg for that old doc. to do everything in his/her power to save their child, if all they needed was an artery stitched up. Now if the child was a complete vegetable and her/his quality of life was nothing but a pump breathing for him/her , the situation changes . In both cases it's what your child wants done, would your child want to live a normal life if all it takes to do so is a stitch or two. Would your child want to live the rest of their life with a pump breathing for them? You as their Power of Attorney makes that decision.

So basically you'd say Don't intercede. Let fate have it's due course!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104320 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Most doctors privately revel in the fact that they know they are playing god.
I agree , most Doc's are pure pr$cks!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104321 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
you didn't answer my question:
Now I'm a betting person.(i know, i'm breaking another of them 10 rules) I bet Kitten you will not answer my question, but if you do , be honest. Anyone in their right frame of mind would plead and beg for that old doc. to do everything in his/her power to save their child, if all they needed was an artery stitched up. Now if the child was a complete vegetable and her/his quality of life was nothing but a pump breathing for him/her , the situation changes . In both cases it's what your child wants done, would your child want to live a normal life if all it takes to do so is a stitch or two. Would your child want to live the rest of their life with a pump breathing for them? You as their Power of Attorney makes that decision.
So basically you'd say Don't intercede. Let fate have it's due course!
No, I am not saying that, though many religious people have used that as an excuse to allow innocent children to die all the time. I enjoy that we play god, we, as a species, do it a lot, we do it well most of the time, and we learn by doing it. I am grateful we have learned that the gods of myth are not real, that we are our own gods.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104322 May 21, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh really? And what exactly are you basing this statement on?
Well known available FACTS(for those that can read anyway)-even 35 years ago!!!

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topic...
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104323 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
using condoms are 75% effective when used with other agents as spermacide or birth control. This is fact! I cannot answer for those people who are not smart enough to read directions for use of how to apply poperly , or are not informed on the risks/benefits factor.
Above statment edited, because-

Statistical FACTS seem to show otherwise.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#104324 May 21, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Above statment edited, because-
Statistical FACTS seem to show otherwise.
If you have to edit other posters' posts, then you have no argument at all, you fail the argument by default.

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#104325 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Anything altering the fate of the organism through the use of intelligence is playing god, that is what altering fate is. But that's the thing, how do you know one is and not the other? How do you know that the fate was not for them to die?

Also, it is most. The very fact that medications are taken to eliminate illness in the mother, such as vaccines, is medication that has altered the chances of the fetus not being born alive. Not all ailments that prevent the fetus from living directly effect the fetus.
I guess this is where we part and travel different paths. I don't believe in fate. I believe in doing everything possible to preserve life. I also believe that medication is necessary for many to have a good quality of life.
I would much rather be the one that pulls a thorn of of a lion's paw than the one that says tough crap and moves on.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104326 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have to edit other posters' posts, then you have no argument at all, you fail the argument by default.
They stated an INCORRECT percentile.

I do NOT believe in MISrepresenting actual FACT.

It needed edited-for the sake of TRUTH in facts.

Absolutely NO argument to it.

Just FACT.

Condoms and spermacides ONLY rank in prevention, at about 75/76 percent efficiancy.

And the Planned Parenthood ought to know-they've sure been around helping to enlighten people about such for a LONG, LONG time.

This message has been a public service announcement brought to others courtesy of believers in personal responsibility and Planned Parenthood @

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topic...

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stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104327 May 21, 2013
ok idgit I'm talking about now , not 35 years ago.


this also teaches the proper use of a condom too idgit !
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104328 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
using condoms are 90 to 95% effective when used with other agents as spermacide or birth control. This is fact! I cannot answer for those people who are not smart enough to read directions for use of how to apply poperly , or are not informed on the risks/benefits factor.


damn Dr. Clark says 99% effective, I was wrong!
ProvenScience

London, KY

#104329 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
ok idgit I'm talking about now , not 35 years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =IfFstSWtUlAXX
this also teaches the proper use of a condom too idgit !
What part of the RECENT web page from the PPH comparison site, do you NOT comprehend.

Please keep your IGNORANCE away from kids, unless you would also like to promote how to responsibly take a birth control pill each day, or use an IUD, or keep current with Norplant or something sismilar.

We are trying to promote personal responsibility of no excuses for BOTH genders, which that means FEMALES as well--NOT the ignorant, dark age "it awrl duh male fault, cuz it easier to just steek it to duh males".

Once again-(Notice the VERY current year as well)

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topic...

2013 Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc.

1-800-230-PLAN

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ProvenScience

London, KY

#104330 May 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
damn Dr. Clark says 99% effective, I was wrong!
Yup.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topic...

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