Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 134,310

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#103966 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I don't oppose birth control, neither does my church. So most of the rest of what you said is irrelevant to me.
Refusing to call it murder does not make it less so.
The CORE of religion is refusing to call mythology what it is. The LDS is not the largest church organization in the world. Like it or not, what the Vatican decrees is relevant to you.

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#103967 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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If you want my opinion: God allows us to choose, but He knows us so well, He knows which Mother will more than likely abort.
Is this religion?

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#103968 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I was asked what the LDS church stance is on those that die before born. I answered accordingly.
Is this religion?

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#103969 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You do not seem to be trying very hard, as you went into the concept of the soul and choices it made before conception pretty extensively. You opened the door, now you close it when it is proving your holy ghost as a fraud. How convenient. Keep up the excuses, it only makes you look all the more guilty.

You believe that life of a zygote has a soul, thus you are trying to protect that soul. Atheists do not believe it has a soul. I do not think a zygote is a human in the sense of what a being with a brain is. Potentially it could be a human. But the word, potentially is key. You use that term because a zygote is not a human at the point. It might be human-like, but that is not human. It is a potential human. This is why other human-like examples were given by another poster.
A zygote has no brain. It has zero thoughts. You believe a soul has thoughts. So we have a fundamental disagreement of what this zygote is capable of. Before the life has thoughts, I feel it is not bad to terminate.
I have talked about religion a lot. I can do so all day. But on abortion, I'm trying to speak your language and leave religion out. I'll be glad to insert it back in if you keep asking me to.

What am I guilty of exactly?

And as for your feelings on the zygote, refer to my last post about caterpillars.

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#103970 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I explained what happens to the unborn. They still need a physical body, even if they are so righteous that they do not need to be tested.
Is this religion?

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#103971 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Because they need to gain a physical body to continue their progression to become more like God.
Is this religion?

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#103972 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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This has nothing to do with the soul. Stop trying to trivialize my point of view.
Unless this fertilized egg dies on its own, it most certainly will become a human being.
Your way of thinking is like saying you think it is repulsive to kill a beautiful butterfly, but I'm just fine with killing nasty little caterpillars.
And yet it is the conservative front that resents spending money on education and benefits for children - even for food. Love the fetus, ignore the child?

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#103973 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So you make yourself feel better about ending this life by saying it can't feel any pain?
Yes, it does make me feel better to know that if a woman elects to end her pregnancy the fetus will never know about it or feel it in any way. That should make you feel better too.

Then she can get on with her life. Go to school. Fulfill herself. And when she's ready to have a kid, if she wants to, she can do it. The kid she has will benefit from her wisdom and her love.

We won't agree on this. Ever. But for me this is about suffering vs. not suffering. I don't care about god, souls, or magic. I care about reality.

In Mexico last year there was a 10-year-old girl who was raped repeatedly. She got pregnant. Because their abortion laws are so strict, she was denied an abortion.

She had a baby at 10.

"She was raped repeatedly by her stepfather when she was 10 years old, but local laws do not allow terminations after three months."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/10-year...

Does that make you feel better or worse?

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#103974 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Want to talk probabilities?
Yes, but when you were shown the stats, you ran as always.

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#103975 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I have talked about religion a lot. I can do so all day. But on abortion, I'm trying to speak your language and leave religion out. I'll be glad to insert it back in if you keep asking me to.
What am I guilty of exactly?
And as for your feelings on the zygote, refer to my last post about caterpillars.
You are guilty of claiming a ghost gives you answers, yet you cannot show us one does.

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#103976 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So the political ideas are not relevant to you? Are you a republican? I spoke of a lot things, not just about your church. And do you always ignore everything that is not "your church"?
Does your church promote birth control? You claim it does not oppose it, but you diverted from my main point, they do not promote it. Thus they do not do what is going to reduce abortions in the greatest numbers. Just as I pointed out how democrats do what reduces abortions in the greatest numbers.
You ran from all these points with one swoop.
I can't speak for everyone. I feel comfortable speaking for my church.

I have no political affiliation, not that it is relevant.

My church has said they do not oppose birth control and that the choice to use it or not is the choice of the couple. It is not a church's job to educate people on the forms of birth control. I'm not sure why you think it is. A church's main function is to bring people closer to God. Discussing birth control or overpopulation is not the responsibility of a church.

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#103977 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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And imagine that, none of them purposely abort their pregnancies.
Yet without medical assistance, nature aborts a hundred times more than purposeful. Medical science is the only reason most human offspring are even born alive. Medical science is the only reason most of those are healthy enough to live even longer. Medical abortion is just undoing what medical science has done.

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#103978 May 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>The CORE of religion is refusing to call mythology what it is. The LDS is not the largest church organization in the world. Like it or not, what the Vatican decrees is relevant to you.
No, it doesn't. Nor does what Hindu's believe have any affect on me. I do not subject myself to their direction.

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#103979 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is this religion?
Yes, you asked. I didn't bring it up. You did. I answer your questions.

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#103980 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is this religion?
Again, I was asked, so I answered.

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#103981 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I have talked about religion a lot. I can do so all day. But on abortion, I'm trying to speak your language and leave religion out. I'll be glad to insert it back in if you keep asking me to.
What am I guilty of exactly?
And as for your feelings on the zygote, refer to my last post about caterpillars.
You can leave the language out all you wish, but we know it is not out of the equation with you. So your refusal to address the points is just another sign you have poor answers.

We are telling you why we feel aborting a zygote is not immoral. Now you cite it being a human is why we should not do it but as we have shown, we disagree it is a full human. So your line of argument is not valid in our opinion. Potential human or human-like is not a valid reason to condemn aborting a zygote, in my opinion.

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#103982 May 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And yet it is the conservative front that resents spending money on education and benefits for children - even for food. Love the fetus, ignore the child?
Why blame government officials for this? We can do things on our own to change this.

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#103983 May 18, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it does make me feel better to know that if a woman elects to end her pregnancy the fetus will never know about it or feel it in any way. That should make you feel better too.

Then she can get on with her life. Go to school. Fulfill herself. And when she's ready to have a kid, if she wants to, she can do it. The kid she has will benefit from her wisdom and her love.

We won't agree on this. Ever. But for me this is about suffering vs. not suffering. I don't care about god, souls, or magic. I care about reality.

In Mexico last year there was a 10-year-old girl who was raped repeatedly. She got pregnant. Because their abortion laws are so strict, she was denied an abortion.

She had a baby at 10.

"She was raped repeatedly by her stepfather when she was 10 years old, but local laws do not allow terminations after three months."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/10-year...

Does that make you feel better or worse?
Adoption should be made easier so she can get on with her life.
Some people realize at different points in their life that a child is preventing them from doing other things. Should it be acceptable for a career driven woman to decide that her 4 year old is keeping her from becoming a surgeon, so she will just end his/her life so she can go on with her own?

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#103984 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, but when you were shown the stats, you ran as always.
I'm the one that brought the multitude of stats to the discussion. What are you accusing me of running from?

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#103985 May 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You are guilty of claiming a ghost gives you answers, yet you cannot show us one does.
I can't ask the Holy Ghost for answers to questions that you want answered. He isn't a magic 8 ball. If you want particular answers from Him, you have an equal amount of access to Him as I do.

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