Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,615

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#103929 May 18, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I told you...
Seek God with all of YOUR heart!
You WILL have your evidence!
once again so many look with the eyes and not the heart..
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103930 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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The mother's wishes are what those rulings are based on, not whether it was a fetus or child.
You KNOW something's WRONG
when a Mother WANTS to Kill her Baby!
How's about teaching Girls NOT to believe a Guy who says
he "Loves" you... without a ring?

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#103931 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You are beyond ignorant on abortion. Google some videos that show a child less than 26 weeks writhe while the needle breaks the barrier of the protective membrane and begins melting the child with saline. Then tell me it didn't feel anything.
When you look at the aggregate data on fetal development it seems that the ability to sense pain forms around 26 weeks. The number varies according to which researcher you are reading. Most put it between 24-29, but some say 18-28.

Prior to this time period there is NO pain for the fetus.

Also, there is no awareness in this time period. It isn't even clear when awareness actually begins. It certainly isn't prior to this time period. Without awareness it is hard to imagine that pain has any meaning at all. If your brain was in a state of complete unconsciousness without the ability to wake up and I stuck you with a needle would you feel it?

It does get us into all sorts of moral/ethical questions. It is a messy, messy topic.

I go with the science for my facts and I base my morals on the idea of well being. The mother is already an invested human being. Her rights are paramount. If she wants to end her pregnancy and if it reasonable to say that her fetus is incapable of feeling pain or being aware then abortion presents no dilemma. And since reproductive rights are a proven way to increase general well being I say it is a moral good to allow it.

It is rare for abortions to be done past this time period anyway. The vast majority of them are done very early. An abortion done within the first three months should be no problem for any rational person. Unless you believe in magic, in which case you are possibly a nutter.
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#103932 May 18, 2013
Happy weekend all..
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103933 May 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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That's not it... I'm waiting for someone to notice what the image captured.... It's like looking for Waldo.....
Photoshop?
LOL
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103934 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Since the fetus is not technically alive until a certain point, it is not homicide until that point.
@ conception!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103935 May 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Just not True... You kick a woman in the belly and kill the Fetus at 2 weeks gestation and you will be arrested, tried and convicted of Homicide.... If it wasn't Human you would only be charged with Assault with bodily harm... The Fact that You can be charged with Homicide sets the precedent of being a Human Being... As Homicide is by Definition the Killing of a Human Being by another Human Being...
There are people in Jail for Homicide of a Fetus as early as 3 weeks gestation... If they are not Alive how can you charge someone for killing it?
True!
You Kill the Mother... you get two counts!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103936 May 18, 2013
So true wrote:
Said the robin , to the sparrow , I should really like to know , Why these anxious human beings Rush around and worry so, Said the sparrow to the robin , Friend I think that it must be; That they know not of the heavenly Father, Such as cares for you and Me...
Nice!
Thanks!
How stupid can you be

Winchester, KY

#103937 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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There are many such cases in which a fetus is never born alive.
Some people are just born stooopid!
We pray for you!
How stupid can you be

Winchester, KY

#103938 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Again, patently false. Without medical attention most fetuses never live, even with medical attention many do not live anyway.
I like how you use the words "patently false" without looking at you own statements!
I know... you just cannot help yourself!
How stupid can you be

Winchester, KY

#103939 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, you denied what I stated, which again was: Without medical assistance most fetuses are not born alive.
Bull Stuffing!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103940 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It has never been relevant to my life, so I haven't asked.
It seems to be quite the issue with you. You have been arguing about it for a few days now.
Fact is, we think this, asking the holy ghost thing is a metaphor for thinking, and you do not actually hear any being that gives information. Either you have the knowledge or you do not.
You prove us correct with diversions such as this.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103941 May 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Net time you speak to the Doc ask him One Question.... Doc, What Specifically Defines Life?..
He would be able to win the Noble Prize if he can answer that question....
The Point being that Science has no idea what the Specific Definition of Life is... Is a Virus that can only replicate with the inclusion of a host DNA alive? Is the sub set of the simplest life form we know that cannot replicate without it's symbiotic components alive? Since you as a Human Being would die instantly if the 2 pounds of bugs in your body were eliminated, being that there are 10 bugs for each Human Cell in your body, Are You Alive or are you just a Vessel for the Bugs..... Is a Crystal that absorbs surrounding material and uses those compounds to grow and produce offspring Alive?.... Id the Life as we know it here on Earth the Only Possible form of life that could exist?
Nothing in you response addresses the issues raised by the good doctor. Are they or are they not valid?

Or,are we back to the well established fact,
"The Point being that Science has no idea what the Specific Definition of Life is" nor how life was created or came into being
It is on that foundation,of not knowing,that Science and Evolution form theories based on events that they claim might have occured billions of years ago,under unexplainable circumstances,which has led to life as we know it.
The chicken/egg question went a long way in dispelling Evolution.
It is unbelievable,we are criticixed for reading the Bible,as our source of information.
They read rocks and old bones,

Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103942 May 18, 2013
So true wrote:
<quoted text> once again so many look with the eyes and not the heart..
None are so blind, as those that refuse to see!
Amen!
Great day to you :-)
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#103943 May 18, 2013
So true wrote:
Happy weekend all..
You too :-)

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103944 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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And imagine that, none of them purposely abort their pregnancies.
Due to their lack of knowledge. Some animals will eat their own babies.
Seeing as how humans are on top of the food chain, we rarely get eaten anymore, so our numbers have grown exponentially.
Societies that overpopulate and cannot feed this population suffer greatly.
Some churches have compounded this problem by deterring birth control in those famine areas.
Do you also oppose birth control?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103945 May 18, 2013
do whut wrote:
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In your first argument you are treating the symptom instead of the root cause.
Instead of spending the money on women's rights to abort children, and instead of clinics making money by aborting children, spend that money and effort into preventing unwanted pregnancies, and then you are treating the root cause.
On your second argument, early or late term should make no bearing on the decision of when this cessation of life is morally acceptable. If you have to try to define "reasonably acceptable" then you are trying to make yourself feel better about ending the life of a child.
And when you promote ideas that cause the born children to suffer due to overpopulation, you turn to your absolute stance in order to make yourself feel better.

Some situations in this world have no absolute, right or wrong answers.
But religion feels it has absolute answers, and no discussion can be had to evaluate that answer. Thus often religion does bad things for a long time, while they think they are doing good. Example, Deuteronomy 13.

This is a systematic problem with religion. This is one of the many reasons I oppose the idea of religion.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103946 May 18, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Good, because that kind of thing is really NONE of the governments business.
Exactly, yet most tea party members contradict themselves on government here. Take Q for example.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#103947 May 18, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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I agree. But this isn't a cut-n-dry issue. It is messy as hell. And you gotta start talking somewhere.
I agree. What could lead to less abortions? Pushing for adoptions. Churches should not condemn people for putting a baby up for adoption, nor should anyone, yet they do.
Also the stigma society puts on the young for being pregnant is large. So many abort just to hide the fact they had sex.

Maybe if a church member is looking to adopt a child, they should let it be know amongst the whole congregation and plead for anyone who gets pregnant and is not ready to raise a child to offer adoption.
If a kid does not see other solutions clearly, they will likely opt for the easy out of abortion. Just telling them adoption is an option is not enough. You must make it easy for them and stop making them feel guilty.
Kids will have sex, it is a matter of biology. Offer solutions, and do not stigmatize.

Also, pushing for abstinence only and not teaching birth control is a large problem the churches fail on consistently.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103948 May 18, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Would you like a squeaky chew toy to slobber on while you search?
Interesting how the believer has the most nasty posts here.

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