Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137703 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103628 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>So... taking the 10 commandments, and re-writing them, changing the Sabbath to Sunday is the original texts?
Look!
Do you Believe Jesus died on the Cross one time, for all sins,
past, and future, that you do not have to do anything, but Love the Lord, your neighbor, and your enemies, and Trust in Jesus???
Or does mass, and calling a man "Father" negate Christ's teachings?
YaA as far as all that's concerned, I think you are (not) looking at the bigger picture of it all, close enough.

Catholics believe in Jesus, the cross, the golden rule and faith.

Look a few things up before you run your clueless pie hole and just ASSUME you know what you're talking about-because honestly, you are sounding like you have no idea.

Look up Homily, Stations of the Cross, Lent blahblahblah.

The traditions of culture and custom, will all boil back down to the SAME belief, ulitmetely.

Just because someone brushes their teeth with a different type toothbrush than you, doesn't mean they don't believe in toothbrushes.

And just because you might not SEE one sitting in the specific pew-brushholder where YOU think it should be sitting, doesn't mean it doesn't exist...as pewbrushholders aren't what actually matters anyway.

Maybe I prefer to keep my pewbrushholder rituals private, because I really don't care about just "impressing" others for the sake of just that, because as many of us know, just sitting in a pewbrushholder regulary, does not make a toothpick, a toothbrush.

MMM k?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103629 May 15, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Bible is about the spiritual "world" and science cannot comment on it, then why are you concerned with science at all? Let science do what it does best: explain nature. And you can have your Bible to help you with the emotional and spiritual stuff.
Easy peasy.
Also, we do not "know" that the universe was "created". By using the word "created" you are infering an intelligence. You're using a simple form of the Cosmological Argument, which, as most philosophers will tell you, is a load of bollocks.
As I said to you or someone else on here, how does your argument get you to the God of the Bible? Even if we grant that you are correct (for the sake of argument, mind you) it ONLY gets you to the point of stating that the universe was created.
That says absolutely nothing about what did it. It could have been cosmic hamsters or Zeus or me.
What is your line that connects this flimsy argument to your own personal deity?
And why is it so important for you to prove God by logic and reason? If it wasn't important we wouldn't be having a conversation. Yet faith is about faith, not evidence, right?
The need to be correct normally indicates the possibility of being wrong. I seek truth because I know I could be wrong. I want to find the best path to truth. But if you truly have faith then you don't need to do that, right?
Either the Universe was created by a Superior Intelligence or it came into existence,from nothing,by nothing.
If it came into existence from nothing,caused by nothing and from there we end up with the Universe as we currently know it.
Our planet and the life contained therein,all as a result of Nothing taking control and effectively bringing into existence this awesome universe and magnificent planet we live in.
Then I would have to proclaim,The wonders of nothingness are wonderful to behold

YOU ask "Yet faith is about faith, not evidence, right?"

Says I...You are wrong,but that is the propaganda that Atheists
promote"blind faith"
My faith demands evidence and that evidence has been more that amply supplied to my satisfaction,by GOD
You are unable to accept or understand the evidence that God has provided me and therefore you arbitrarily dismiss it as false.
You can call it magic,delusions,waving a magic wand,coincidences
What you are unable to do is,disprove it..
You can not believe,but neither can you disprove the evidence,your attempts are futile,therefore your frustration

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103630 May 15, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Where was that? Please enlighten, as actually I had no actual "further pathway intentions of going anywhere with it" planned out.
Ummmm me thinks you are perhaps a bit too cynical-that not ALL the world sits in plot and plan deception, and low-life-CON mode(s), that SOME of us find that very type of thing to be of the utmost nature of VILEness and CONtemptability, equatable to those having no ethics OR true decency per say?
Or is that just your own junk pointing back at ya? lol
WTH are you babbling about now? Are you posting just to watch yourself type? I asked a reasonable question about WHY you placed a list of archaeological sites and a quote from a museum spokesman.
Stalking you with judgits icons? no.
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103631 May 15, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never had a fascination for the history of the Semitic tribes and the "Holy Lands," why should I cultivate one? Clearly you were enamored with the Naked Archaeologist series. I am not in the least bit intrigued. As you have pointed out, there are countless other cultures and far more than enough troves of other histories to entertain myself with, should I so choose to be entertained.
What ever floats your cultural boat. Yes, I did find that series to be one of the better presented ones of it's types (hmmm...wonder why..)

Anyway, care to share what cultures you may find "oooo ahhhh" interesting?

And be forewarned, you can skip the knotholes in carved rocks ones, they'll only get an eyeroll here.
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103632 May 15, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I understood your point, but not where you were intending to go with it.
But since you egged it on...

oooooo ahhhhhhh

2 Samuel 5:3,4
So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a covenant with them in Hebron before HaShem; and they anointed David king over Israel.

4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.

http://www.cityofdavid.org.il/en/archeology/e...

Since 2007, Ronny Reich and Eli Shukron have been conducting a systematic excavation of the main water drainage tunnel of the city of Jerusalem from the Second Temple period. 700 meters inside the Tyropoeon Valley, which passes beneath the center of the city, have already been revealed. Work began in the center of the valley southwards and after it connected to the excavation near the Shiloah Pool, work continued north, beyond the walls of today’s Old City. This channel gathered water and drained it from the city of Jerusalem southwards, passing by the Shiloah Pool and outside the city. The channel also served as a place of refuge for the Jews who rebelled against the Romans. Found within the channel are numerous artifacts which tell the story of Jerusalem and its destruction. Amongst these finds are vessels and numerous coins including a shekel coin from the city of Tyre, a miniature golden bell that was sewn onto the garment of an individual of high stature, a Roman sword in its sheath, and a seal with the Aramaic words “Daka Le’Ya”(Pure for God), the official seal, it seems, used by Temple officials approving the purity of a sacrifice or object.
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103633 May 15, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
WTH are you babbling about now? Are you posting just to watch yourself type? I asked a reasonable question about WHY you placed a list of archaeological sites and a quote from a museum spokesman.
Stalking you with judgits icons? no.
Okay good. Just checking lol.

This is a "Biblical discussion thread" Non? Oui?
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103634 May 15, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
WTH are you babbling about now? Are you posting just to watch yourself type? I asked a reasonable question about WHY you placed a list of archaeological sites and a quote from a museum spokesman.
Stalking you with judgits icons? no.
and maybe even-

http://www.cityofdavid.org.il/en/archeology/e...

...oooooo ahhhhh lol.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103635 May 15, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
What ever floats your cultural boat. Yes, I did find that series to be one of the better presented ones of it's types (hmmm...wonder why..)
Anyway, care to share what cultures you may find "oooo ahhhh" interesting?
And be forewarned, you can skip the knotholes in carved rocks ones, they'll only get an eyeroll here.
Well, aren't you uncharacteristically pleasant this morning? No, I wouldn't care to share much of anything just for your target practice. Hmmm...wonder why..

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103636 May 15, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Either the Universe was created by a Superior Intelligence or it came into existence,from nothing,by nothing.
If it came into existence from nothing,caused by nothing and from there we end up with the Universe as we currently know it.
Our planet and the life contained therein,all as a result of Nothing taking control and effectively bringing into existence this awesome universe and magnificent planet we live in.
Then I would have to proclaim,The wonders of nothingness are wonderful to behold
YOU ask "Yet faith is about faith, not evidence, right?"
Says I...You are wrong,but that is the propaganda that Atheists
promote"blind faith"
My faith demands evidence and that evidence has been more that amply supplied to my satisfaction,by GOD
You are unable to accept or understand the evidence that God has provided me and therefore you arbitrarily dismiss it as false.
You can call it magic,delusions,waving a magic wand,coincidences
What you are unable to do is,disprove it..
You can not believe,but neither can you disprove the evidence,your attempts are futile,therefore your frustration
Kind of hard to prove a negative like this.
You cannot prove Zeus does not control the rain. But I am sure this lack of proof does not keep your mind open to Zeus.

I explained that energy likely existed before the Big Bang, so their are more than two ways this could have gone down.
But you stick with "nothing". So what created this great and wonderful god of yours?
You keep skipping that part in your equation.
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103637 May 15, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, aren't you uncharacteristically pleasant this morning? No, I wouldn't care to share much of anything just for your target practice. Hmmm...wonder why..
GOOD lol

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103638 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Can you grow a plant without it giving you the seed???
Same with Every other egg laying thing!
You couldn't even have a Human without a Human giving birth!
Pond scum does not give birth... it just is... Pond scum!
And... A rock cannot spread information as in DNA...
Information is given from intelligence!
Then explain how a god became intelligent?
You guys keep forgetting this part of the equation. How convenient.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103639 May 15, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay good. Just checking lol.
This is a "Biblical discussion thread" Non? Oui?
Non.
This is Bible study rules in schools thread, and I suspect that we agree that there is a place for employing the Bible as a historical reference/object in elective secondary education humanities courses.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103640 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Mike was raised Mormon...
Then Catholic, and Methodist!
My experience is...
You'll never convert a Backslidden Mormon!
Their hate, and misunderstanding of God is too deep!
So blame the Holy Ghost. No matter how you slice it, the ghost is failing to keep a consistent story line.
I think the various religions I was exposed to, taught me that lesson.
Their insistence of being the true religion was more damning than anything.
You insist your version is correct, the Muslims claim their way is correct and so on and so on.
This is evidence of all just being overly sure of themselves yet have zero evidence of being correct.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103641 May 15, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
But since you egged it on...
oooooo ahhhhhhh
2 Samuel 5:3,4
So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a covenant with them in Hebron before HaShem; and they anointed David king over Israel.
4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.
http://www.cityofdavid.org.il/en/archeology/e...
Since 2007, Ronny Reich and Eli Shukron have been conducting a systematic excavation of the main water drainage tunnel of the city of Jerusalem from the Second Temple period. 700 meters inside the Tyropoeon Valley, which passes beneath the center of the city, have already been revealed. Work began in the center of the valley southwards and after it connected to the excavation near the Shiloah Pool, work continued north, beyond the walls of today’s Old City. This channel gathered water and drained it from the city of Jerusalem southwards, passing by the Shiloah Pool and outside the city. The channel also served as a place of refuge for the Jews who rebelled against the Romans. Found within the channel are numerous artifacts which tell the story of Jerusalem and its destruction. Amongst these finds are vessels and numerous coins including a shekel coin from the city of Tyre, a miniature golden bell that was sewn onto the garment of an individual of high stature, a Roman sword in its sheath, and a seal with the Aramaic words “Daka Le’Ya”(Pure for God), the official seal, it seems, used by Temple officials approving the purity of a sacrifice or object.
=yawn=
This doesn't reveal anything of importance beyond your infatuation with certain middle eastern archaeology. A pottery shard among the rocks or a bead in the sand? No one disputes that the Bible contains many of the histories of the Jewish peoples. It is well established and documented that the area has been populated for many thousands of years - an artifact does not prove that Jesus walked on water or that Moses parted the Red Sea. Relate something about the Sumerians or Zoroaster and it might be worth reading.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103642 May 15, 2013
kuda wrote:
<quoted text>
That’s a lovely photo. Might it be yours?
Yep.. it is....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103643 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Can you grow a plant without it giving you the seed???
Same with Every other egg laying thing!
You couldn't even have a Human without a Human giving birth!
Pond scum does not give birth... it just is... Pond scum!
And... A rock cannot spread information as in DNA...
Information is given from intelligence!
Yes I can grow a plant without it giving me a seed...

The Question was Chicken and Egg... Egg predates Chicken by Millions upon millions of years....

Pond Scum is assorted Bacterium and Phytoplankton and replicates without the requirement of giving birth...

A Rock does not have DNA.... But Living organisms in the rock does..

Information is understood by Intellect, But everything from a grain of sand to a Galaxy Give information as Information is nothing more the EM Waves being propagated, Everything produces EM waves...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103644 May 15, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Kind of hard to prove a negative like this.
You cannot prove Zeus does not control the rain. But I am sure this lack of proof does not keep your mind open to Zeus.
I explained that energy likely existed before the Big Bang, so their are more than two ways this could have gone down.
But you stick with "nothing". So what created this great and wonderful god of yours?
You keep skipping that part in your equation.
Iknow you explained that energy likely existed before the BB.
What you could not explain is,Where did that Energy come from?
From nothing ness?,,,,
Nothing from nothing ,gets nothing

I absolutely believe there was an energy,an intelligent and living power source that brought the Universe and life as we kmow it ,into existence.
That question was answered long before Science thought to ask it.
I am that I am...I am the Alpha and Omega I am the begining and the end

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103645 May 15, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Iknow you explained that energy likely existed before the BB.
What you could not explain is,Where did that Energy come from?
From nothing ness?,,,,
Nothing from nothing ,gets nothing
I absolutely believe there was an energy,an intelligent and living power source that brought the Universe and life as we kmow it ,into existence.
That question was answered long before Science thought to ask it.
I am that I am...I am the Alpha and Omega I am the begining and the end
Science began when the first human wondered for an answer, "How, when, why, where?" In pursuing those questions and without any real available answers, religion was born. Science predates religion. Religion predates writing. Writing predates Genesis. You've bought stock in the abyss of no real available answers. Sorry, Bub.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#103646 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Mike was raised Mormon...
Then Catholic, and Methodist!
My experience is...
You'll never convert a Backslidden Mormon!
Their hate, and misunderstanding of God is too deep!
I've seen several come back though. Never give up on the ones you love.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#103647 May 15, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"Catholics think they are following the bible correctly"
I've no doubt they think that!
Like the Mormons... IF they'd read an un-altered Bible, they'd see the Truth!
We use the KJV. What do you mean "unaltered Bible"?

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