Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,106

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#103409 May 13, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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On what? Physics is a fairly vast "field".
On your claim that physics, or the lack of instruction on physics (wtf?), and some sort of hypocrisy dealing with physics (presumably on this thread) all provide evidence of your god.

It's a typical pile of steaming troll crap.
ProvenScience

Somerset, KY

#103410 May 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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On your claim that physics, or the lack of instruction on physics (wtf?), and some sort of hypocrisy dealing with physics (presumably on this thread) all provide evidence of your god.
It's a typical pile of steaming troll crap.
You don't like Physics?

I don't know how any edu system would expect it's next generations to have a half a LOGICAL, rational inkling about anything-let alone succeed, without at least SOME baseline study of.

And I already realize alot of IT is a pile of steam rolling crap. Thank goodness there's instructional enhancements in those area too!

(getting the picture yet?)

:-)

Have a nice day-WORM.

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#103411 May 13, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
Failed Mormonism
What?

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#103412 May 13, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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You don't like Physics?
I don't know how any edu system would expect it's next generations to have a half a LOGICAL, rational inkling about anything-let alone succeed, without at least SOME baseline study of.
And I already realize alot of IT is a pile of steam rolling crap. Thank goodness there's instructional enhancements in those area too!
(getting the picture yet?)
:-)
Not really, I have no idea how your rambling nonsense above answers my question.
ProvenScience wrote:
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Have a nice day-WORM.
Thanks, I am having a nice day. Why do you sign your posts as "WORM", but use the name "ProvenScience"?

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#103413 May 13, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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What if "God" is hailed from dieties of doctors?
(stupid comments are replied to as stupid comments say......)
English isn't your native language is it?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103414 May 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again you trust they spoke for a god. You are blindly trusting the ancient men who you really do not even know. You trust words in a book that were compiled by a group of men in the fourth century put together by a king.
BTW, you are making claims about me that I never made, again. You have a bad habit of doing that.
But I understand why you have such false perceptions.
You don't require animal sacrifices? Funny, the bible demands people to have them. But of course they are silly and are just part of a brainwashing process, as all religious rituals are.
I understand this, you do not.
Have you tried to humble yourself before Zeus? How about Thor?
1)You trust words in a book that were compiled by a group of men in the fourth century put together by a king.

As usual,you err. We who trust the Bible ,do so,because we have tested what it teaches and have found those teachings to be true and accurate.
There are those who have not tested them,and are unable and unwilling to do so.
There are those,who claim to have been believers,but are unable and or ,unwilling to state what they believed in and why they believed as they did.
Based on that illogical criteria,they,somehow,feel qualified to correctly interpret the reasons for our beliefs and attributing our reasons to superstition or magic....
Logically speaking,one who neither understands or whose knowledge of a particular subject is flawed,is hardly qualified to accurately discuss that subject and their opinions should be readily dismissed.
That one may be able to nail a board to a wall,hardly qualifies him to be a carpenter.
That one has read a book on brain surgery,but has never practiced the instructions contained therein,hardly qualifies him to be a brain surgeon

2)BTW, you are making claims about me that I never made, again.

You make a claim,without providing any evidence..Since you do not provide a basis for your claim,it is deemed to be baseless

3)You have a bad habit of doing that.

I don't ,you do

4)But I understand why you have such false perceptions.
You don't require animal sacrifices? Funny, the bible demands people to have them. But of course they are silly and are just part of a brainwashing process, as all religious rituals are.
I understand this, you do not.

No,you DO NOT understand.you simply pick out a verse in Scriptures and give it the interpretation you want,in order to justify your beliefs,
It is obvious that you do not understand the reasons for animal sacrifices and their meaning,nor do you understand why it was necessary for Christ to come in order to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Go and find out what is meant by the scripture that says:‘It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifices.’ I have not come to call respectable people, but outcasts

4)Have you tried to humble yourself before Zeus? How about Thor

In an effort to validate your misguided beliefs ,You keep regurgitating the same nonsense
Although,at some point in time,there were those who believed in Thor and Zeus,it is quite evident that they were mythical non beings.
No one claims that they are prophesying on their behalf,no one claims to have been instructed by them and they most certainly did not provide instructions as to how they may be contacted.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103415 May 13, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I was once a believer, so your argument fails yet again.
I am humble enough not to make claims I cannot back up, unlike yourself.
Of course I cannot prove you do not hear inaudible, still voices in your head. But I can assume you do not really hear them but are experiencing exactly what all believers of most all gods do. Thus it stands to REASON, that you are in delusion. Can I prove you are in delusion? Again, I am not as arrogant as you, so no.
1)[="Mike Duquette"]<quoted text>I was once a believer, so your argument fails yet again.

Says I You claim that you were once a believer,but you have never explained what you believed in or the reasons why you believed as you did

2)I am humble enough not to make claims I cannot back up, unlike yourself.

Does that mean that you can not back up your claims for having once being a believer?
And that,since you can not back up those claims,you humbly refuse to do so.

On the other hand,I have been asked about the basis for my faith,to which I have responded.
I ,explicitly,stated the reasons for my faith,when it was questioned.

Because I provided an answer which you find unacceptable,and specified that my answer was not based on my personal opinion,but based on the teachings of Scripture,you claim that I was arrogant.

3)Of course I cannot prove you do not hear inaudible, still voices in your head. But I can assume you do not really hear them but are experiencing exactly what all believers of most all gods do. Thus it stands to REASON, that you are in delusion. Can I prove you are in delusion? Again, I am not as arrogant as you, so no.

You are right,you can not prove,but you can assume. Your assumptions have led you to conclude that it stands to reason that I am delusional,but ,as you said,you lack the evidence to prove what you have assumed.
You claim not to be arrogant,then you contradict yourself.
One has to be arrogant when one claims they have no evidence to prove their allegations,then claim that it stands to reason that their allegations are correct...Such logic,such humility.......is incomprehensible

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#103416 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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...
I don't ,you do
...
Using the "I know you are, but what am I?" argument made popular by schoolyard playgrounds all across America. Not bad, for a petulant child.
curious wrote:
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...
In an effort to validate your misguided beliefs ,You keep regurgitating the same nonsense
That's rich, coming from you. King incurious of the broken record...of the broken record...of the broken record.
curious wrote:
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Although,at some point in time,there were those who believed in Thor and Zeus,it is quite evident that they were mythical non beings.
Evidenced by what? What evidence do you have that neither Zeus or Thor exist? Please do share. I'm on pins and needles...

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#103417 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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...You claim that you were once a believer,but you have never explained what you believed in or the reasons why you believed as you did...
So you are calling him a liar? How Christ-like of you. Your god must be so disappointed...
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#103418 May 13, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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First time I've seen those lol.
You’d be welcome to join us in Sunday worship with Mrs. Bowers at Landover Baptist, God’s favorite church:
http://landoverbaptist.org
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103419 May 13, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Egg, that was easy
According to Scientists,YOU ARE WRONG
It is an age-old riddle that has perplexed generations: Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Now British scientists claim to have finally come up with the definitive answer: The CHICKEN

The scientific and philosophical mystery was purportedly unraveled by researchers at Sheffield and Warwick universities, according to the Daily Mail newspaper.

The scientists found that a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries is necessary for the formation of the egg, according to the paper Wednesday. The egg can therefore only exist if it has been created inside a chicken.

The protein speeds up the development of the hard shell, which is essential in protecting the delicate yolk and fluids while the chick grows inside the egg, the report said.

"It had long been suspected that the egg came first but now we have the scientific proof that shows that in fact the chicken came first," said Dr. Colin Freeman, from Sheffield University's Department of Engineering Materials, according to the Mail.

"The protein had been identified before and it was linked to egg formation, but by examining it closely we have been able to see how it controls the process," he said.

I found this part very interesting
The scientists found that a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries is necessary for the formation of the egg, according to the paper Wednesday. The egg can therefore only exist if it has been created inside a chicken.

If the egg can only exist if it has been created inside a chicken,then where did the chicken come from,and from whence,their ability to create eggs,so there would be a continuation of the species....
That can be explained if;
He who created the chicken,provided said chicken with the ability to reproduce itself and knowing this,confidently informed it to go forth and reproduce after it's kind.
Otherwise,we can try and explain it by citing some unexplainable
events that may or may not have happened billions of years ago,which no one observed,nor can they duplicate.....

Agree

London, KY

#103420 May 13, 2013
Bring prayer back in all schools!!!
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103421 May 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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So you are calling him a liar? How Christ-like of you. Your god must be so disappointed...
After reading all that was posted,it is you that reached that conclusion.
Not having the courage to stand up ,and take responsibility for what YOU have concluded,you chose to relay the message by attributing that conclusion to me......
If you have concluded that he was lying and have a basis on which to base your belief,then you need have the courage to stand up for what you believe in....

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#103422 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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After reading all that was posted,it is you that reached that conclusion.
Not having the courage to stand up ,and take responsibility for what YOU have concluded,you chose to relay the message by attributing that conclusion to me......
If you have concluded that he was lying and have a basis on which to base your belief,then you need have the courage to stand up for what you believe in....
Au contraire, idiot. I believe that he was a believer. I have no reason to doubt what he says. You, on the other hand...

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#103423 May 13, 2013
Agree wrote:
Bring prayer back in all schools!!!
No.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103424 May 13, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Au contraire, idiot. I believe that he was a believer. I have no reason to doubt what he says. You, on the other hand...
1)Au contraire, idiot.

I,also,am able to express myself,in other languages
porta fa ende radeskatzu dum aff eurnynoobebrha,uglupich malpa,orokana saru

2) I believe that he was a believer.

What do you believe,he believed in...He ain't told me

4) I have no reason to doubt what he says.

I have no reason to doubt it either,I just do not understand it

5)You, on the other hand..

Have 4 fingers and a thumb

“Breaking the spell ”

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#103425 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)You trust words in a book that were compiled by a group of men in the fourth century put together by a king.
As usual,you err. We who trust the Bible ,do so,because we have tested what it teaches and have found those teachings to be true and accurate.
There are those who have not tested them,and are unable and unwilling to do so.
There are those,who claim to have been believers,but are unable and or ,unwilling to state what they believed in and why they believed as they did.
Based on that illogical criteria,they,somehow,feel qualified to correctly interpret the reasons for our beliefs and attributing our reasons to superstition or magic....
Logically speaking,one who neither understands or whose knowledge of a particular subject is flawed,is hardly qualified to accurately discuss that subject and their opinions should be readily dismissed.
That one may be able to nail a board to a wall,hardly qualifies him to be a carpenter.
That one has read a book on brain surgery,but has never practiced the instructions contained therein,hardly qualifies him to be a brain surgeon
2)BTW, you are making claims about me that I never made, again.
You make a claim,without providing any evidence..Since you do not provide a basis for your claim,it is deemed to be baseless
3)You have a bad habit of doing that.
I don't ,you do
4)But I understand why you have such false perceptions.
You don't require animal sacrifices? Funny, the bible demands people to have them. But of course they are silly and are just part of a brainwashing process, as all religious rituals are.
I understand this, you do not.
No,you DO NOT understand.you simply pick out a verse in Scriptures and give it the interpretation you want,in order to justify your beliefs,
It is obvious that you do not understand the reasons for animal sacrifices and their meaning,nor do you understand why it was necessary for Christ to come in order to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Go and find out what is meant by the scripture that says:‘It is kindness that I want, not animal sacrifices.’ I have not come to call respectable people, but outcasts
4)Have you tried to humble yourself before Zeus? How about Thor
In an effort to validate your misguided beliefs ,You keep regurgitating the same nonsense
Although,at some point in time,there were those who believed in Thor and Zeus,it is quite evident that they were mythical non beings.
No one claims that they are prophesying on their behalf,no one claims to have been instructed by them and they most certainly did not provide instructions as to how they may be contacted.
So because most NOW know that Zeus and Thor are myths, they cannot be used as an example? This makes absolutely no logical sense. The entire point is, they are now known to be myths, but once were not, just as you claim god is not a myth.

And I understand why Christians feel they need not follow the instructions god commanded in the OT, due to the claimed deity Jesus overriding the old gods commands.
But this just makes the story look all the more contradictory.
If it is stupid now, it was stupid then. Animal sacrifices were never logical and always stupid. Yet your holy book sure makes them sound serious.

I see you refuse to get my point on following the bibles way to faith. I am getting tired of trying to explain it. I understand if you object to my reasoning, but you have yet to show you understand my reasoning.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#103426 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)[="Mike Duquette"]<quoted text>I was once a believer, so your argument fails yet again.
Says I You claim that you were once a believer,but you have never explained what you believed in or the reasons why you believed as you did
Yes I did, so evidently you are skipping some of my posts. I stated it twice now. How many times must I state it for you to read it?
In fact, I state reasons I do not believe anymore with most every post.

I followed the religion of my parents, just as most people do. I thought I felt what you call the holy ghost also, but I now understand what causes feelings when you think about things. When I was a kid, I had no idea what caused emotional feelings when I thought about stuff. I am a grown up now.
I understand that when I think about stuff, I get emotional reactions to what I think about.
Is this some mystery to you?
Voices in your head are called thoughts. Grown ups should know this.

Now maybe if I am a smart ass about this, you will remember it this time.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#103427 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)[="Mike Duquette"]<quoted text>I was once a believer, so your argument fails yet again.

2)I am humble enough not to make claims I cannot back up, unlike yourself.
Does that mean that you can not back up your claims for having once being a believer?
What I claim now applies to what I do now, not what I did in the past.
I have learned things since I have grown up and one of them is how to not say absolute things I cannot back up.
Kids often say a lot of silly stuff but when pressed, they cannot back up what the say.
Religious people are just acting like immature kids, in my opinion.
I am a grown up and value my reputation. I am not going to make a bunch of unfounded claims.

Some here do not value their reputation enough to register on topix.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#103428 May 13, 2013
curious wrote:
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3)Of course I cannot prove you do not hear inaudible, still voices in your head. But I can assume you do not really hear them but are experiencing exactly what all believers of most all gods do. Thus it stands to REASON, that you are in delusion. Can I prove you are in delusion? Again, I am not as arrogant as you, so no.
You are right,you can not prove,but you can assume. Your assumptions have led you to conclude that it stands to reason that I am delusional,but ,as you said,you lack the evidence to prove what you have assumed.
You claim not to be arrogant,then you contradict yourself.
One has to be arrogant when one claims they have no evidence to prove their allegations,then claim that it stands to reason that their allegations are correct...Such logic,such humility.......is incomprehensible
Not being able to prove something in an absolute sense is not the same as backing up a claim. I backed up my claim with reason, logic and the known history of human perception.
You back up your claims with claims of hearing voices and getting magical reactions to prayers.
Can you not see the massive difference?

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