Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137713 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103483 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)Yes I did, so evidently you are skipping some of my posts. I stated it twice now. How many times must I state it for you to read it?
In fact, I state reasons I do not believe anymore with most every post.
You do not have to post it anymore for my sake. You have cleared that up.
2 )I followed the religion of my parents, just as most people do. I thought I felt what you call the holy ghost also, but I now understand what causes feelings when you think about things.
You talk about how you thought you felt the Holy ghost,but now you understand what causes feelings when you think about things.
.That is the basis on which you lost faith in God. Am I going to say you were wrong in losing your faith, NO
The reason I can't,is because I have not experienced what you have,therefore,I am unable to judge that which I have not experienced or have been tested on.
But I never said that my faith was based on my feelings or based on the religion of my parents .
I have made very clear the basis for my faith and those 2 reasons are never mentioned
3)When I was a kid, I had no idea what caused emotional feelings when I thought about stuff. I am a grown up now.
I understand that when I think about stuff, I get emotional reactions to what I think about.
Is this some mystery to you?
Voices in your head are called thoughts. Grown ups should know this.
Now maybe if I am a smart ass about this, you will remember it this time
The basis for your unbelief,if I understand you correctly,is based on your feelings,and that you now understand " that when I think about stuff, I get emotional reactions to what I think about."
"When I was a kid, I had no idea what caused emotional feelings when I thought about stuff. I am a grown up now."
I think I understand what you mean ,but,your reasons for your unbelief are totally different from the reasons for my faith,so any comparison between the 2,I think you would agree, is not valid .
I did not FEEL my prayers were answered, based on the results,I knew my prayers were answered.
I know whom I prayed to and he answered as promised
Now,someone who does not believe in God has to try and rationalize the results by attributing them to coincidences,or try to claim they never happened,that my mind deceived me into believing it happened,when it really didn't. Thereby ,I am judged to be delusional.
But,in reality,who is the delusional one?
One could rightfully claim that those who have never experienced those events, and don't understand what caused them to occur,have deluded themselves into believing they can explain something they truly,know nothing about.
I say you are as delusional as all the various people if the various religions believe their prayers are answered by their god. Not all can be correct, can they? You keep ignoring this point. I am showing sound basis for my judgement.
I am sure the ancients that prayed to Zeus for rain were as convinced as you about answered prayers.
You show no acceptance of my logic, nor even acknowledge my logic. I feel you ignore it as you do the silly animal sacrifices.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103484 May 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So now you are saying reptiles and amphibians do not lay eggs.
No,that is not what I am saying,,,
This is what I am saying
The scientists found that a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries is necessary for the formation of the egg, according to the paper Wednesday. The egg can therefore only exist if it has been created inside a chicken.
If the egg can only exist if it has been created inside a chicken,then where did the chicken come from,and from whence,their ability to create eggs,so there would be a continuation of the species....
THIS IS WHAT I ANM SAYING That can be explained if;
He who created the chicken,provided said chicken with the ability to reproduce itself and knowing this,confidently informed it to go forth and reproduce after it's kind.
Otherwise,we can try and explain it by citing some unexplainable
events that may or may not have happened billions of years ago,which no one observed,nor can they duplicate.....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#103485 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)Not being able to prove something in an absolute sense is not the same as backing up a claim. I backed up my claim with reason, logic and the known history of human perception.
You posted a lot of opinions,unsubstantiated by any facts.
You assumed,you stated you could not prove, and
"that I am experiencing exactly WHAT ALL BELIEVERS of most all Gods do",,,,that is an opinion,for which you provided no evidence,other than based on your emotions
2)You back up your claims with claims of hearing voices and getting magical reactions to prayers.
Can you not see the massive difference?
Let me tell you what I see. I see someone who is incapable of understanding what God can do in one's life,if you allow him to.
Not able to understand that, they permit their emotions to try and interpret what they can not understand.
So to them,an answer to prayer is hearing voices and to be attributed to magic.
And if that is what you want to believe,that's fine.
Does it,in any way,negate what I know to be true....NOOOO
yes,I can see a massive difference.... I just explained it to you
Are you actually disputing the claim that other religions also believe due to perceptions of answered prayers and hearing ghosts or other superstitious spirits? Do I really need to show the testimonies? If so, then I understand why you think your magic man is the only one.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103486 May 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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REALLLY? Stupid say whaaaaaat?
Someone posts a complete article, ABOUT (here's YOUR clue)>CHICKENS and egg laying, and you post some nonsense crazy, T-Totally twisted and distorted sentence like that?
Are YOU THAT Ignorant, or just THAT twistedly desperate and ugly a person?
I know it's hard for you with your limited knowledge base but Chickens are made by Humans.... We Selected wild fowl and selectively bred them to produce a domesticated animal different in shape, habits from any wild game that came before... Before man domesticated them there were no Chickens.... But there were animals laying eggs for the last 300 to 500 Million years at a minimum...

What you and other do is start with a Belief (God Did It) and anything that supports your preconceived notion is ok, anything that shows those preconceived notions as Balderdash are ignored...

So which came first, The Egg... The egg was a method a organism developed 100's of millions of years ago to deal with environmental conditions and one of those organisms, after 100's of millions of years, became a bird... Then after several 1000 years of Human Breeding some of those birds became Chickens as man acted as a natural selector....

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#103487 May 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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I could be standing in front of you, praying away, and you couldn't say jack about it, you meanarse schitt.
You are correct. You have the right to pray your eyes out in a public school. And there's nothing I can do about it (other than mock you).

But, the school itself cannot lead a prayer and ostensibly force students into praying. Big difference.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103488 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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I know it's hard for you with your limited knowledge base but Chickens are made by Humans.... We Selected wild fowl and selectively bred them to produce a domesticated animal different in shape, habits from any wild game that came before... Before man domesticated them there were no Chickens.... But there were animals laying eggs for the last 300 to 500 Million years at a minimum...
What you and other do is start with a Belief (God Did It) and anything that supports your preconceived notion is ok, anything that shows those preconceived notions as Balderdash are ignored...
So which came first, The Egg... The egg was a method a organism developed 100's of millions of years ago to deal with environmental conditions and one of those organisms, after 100's of millions of years, became a bird... Then after several 1000 years of Human Breeding some of those birds became Chickens as man acted as a natural selector....
If you try to follow curious' apologetic "logical" conclusions about ovocledidin-17, ostriches, flamingos, penguins and eagles are chickens.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103489 May 14, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Logic is not something you are capable of, we know this. The chicken is NOT the only species that produces the ingredients for eggs, moron. Thus, it's only more evidence pointing to evolution.
All the article actually states is that they have studied a previously identified protein and how it is recycled as a catalyst to crystallize calcium carbonate and form a shell. Trying to make that supportive of 'intelligent design' is the very essence of pseudoscience.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103490 May 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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I could be standing in front of you, praying away, and you couldn't say jack about it, you meanarse schitt.
It's MY first amendment, too. Hey, I'll say any damned thing I want to say about you saying your primitive supersillyitious rituals, Jack.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#103491 May 14, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Hack a Mormon server did ya?
Shame....shame on you!
I can only plead NGRI.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103492 May 14, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Science can be wrong, and often is. That is the great strength of critical thinking. It CAN correct itself. In fact, it MUST. It starts with questions and observations, follows the evidence where it leads.
Compare that to your religion which starts with the answer, makes everything fit regardless of evidence.
Science attempts to explain what it observes in the natural world and is not equipped to explain that which is outside of the natural world
The Bible speaks about the Supernatural or Spiritual world
I think we can agree on that.
Up until the big bang theory was developed,many Scientists believed that the Universe was Eternal,contrary to what is stated in the Bible.
Now,they have evidence that the Universe was created.
As I understand it, according to the BB theory,there was nothing before the creation of the Universe.If there was nothing,then one would have to conclude that something was created from nothing...
If there was something before the Big Bang,how was that something created,was it eternal?
Anyhow,we know that the Universe was created.
According to the BB,the Universe was made up of nonintelligent and nonliving matter.
Somehow this nonintelligent and nonliving matter was able to evolve into intelligent living matter,
a process which Science is not able to explain.
Based on those unexplainable processes,theories have been proposed as to how this MIGHT have occurred.
If the foundation of your theories are based on a process that you are unable to explain,then chances are very good that your theories are inaccurate,,That is called Garbage in,Garbage out.
To me,the idea that a single living cell was able to create itself and that over a period of billions of years was able to evolve into the many different living species contained in our planet, both male and female,independent of each other is absurd,
That our solar system was created from nothing,by nothing is incredulous.
That is 'Science Fiction' at it's best...And I don't believe,nor have any reason to..
When Science and or Evolution is in a position to address those issues,I will be willing to listen.
I am not going to accept that,someday they may come up with an answer.
The current example of which came first,the chicken or the egg,points to the chicken having been created by someone that knew exactly what they were doing,created the chicken and provided it with the means to reproduce after it's own kind and confidently informed it to go out and multiply,after your own kind.
Now,I am sure that the same meaningless cliches will be posted.
I don't understand the laws of nature,or biology and whatever else may come to mind.
There is much I may not understand,but,I am quite able to identify nonsense when I read it.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103493 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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If you try to follow curious' apologetic "logical" conclusions about ovocledidin-17, ostriches, flamingos, penguins and eagles are chickens.
Maybe that's why Alligator and Frog taste like chicken?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103494 May 14, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I can only plead NGRI.
Copycat. Pew research says that 79.5% of Americans claim the same defense. Where were you between the hours of 8 am and 10 am Sunday?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103495 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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All the article actually states is that they have studied a previously identified protein and how it is recycled as a catalyst to crystallize calcium carbonate and form a shell. Trying to make that supportive of 'intelligent design' is the very essence of pseudoscience.
Never mind that the same protein is found in even soft shell egg laying animals just in much lower densities... And I would bet if looked for it would be found in All animals that have Bones at some level or variant ....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103496 May 14, 2013
curious wrote:
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Anyhow,we know that the Universe was created.
According to the BB,the Universe was made up of nonintelligent and nonliving matter.
Somehow this nonintelligent and nonliving matter was able to evolve into intelligent living matter,
No freakin' wonder the banks needed a bailout.
Want to buy some choice property in South Florida? How about a bridge or two?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103497 May 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I am asking you, yet you avoid answering. I cannot hear ghosts, so I guess you need to relay those words the ghost says to you for me.
Now why did it say in Deuteronomy to kill infidels? Was this moral in your eyes? If so, then do you feel Muslims killing infidels is moral? If not, then why?
Why should I seek a god that commands one to murder?
You have referred to DEUT 13;1-10 Test of false Prophets
In those verses,it is clearly explained the evil effect that false prophets will have on Hebrew society.
For that reason they are to be destroyed based on specific instructions.
If a false prophet arises,he would be aware of the consecuences as applied by the law.
If Jim Jones had lived in those days and the law had been applied ,a lot of lives would have been saved.
Same with David Koresh.
Would I have a problem with that,Absolutely not
I would also,not have a problem with applying the death sentence" Capital Punishment" to any individual or Society who practice' "burning their sons and daughters as a sacrifice to their Gods Deut 12;31.

In my view,Mohammed was a false prophet,probably should have been stoned....
911 may have never occured if he had.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#103498 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Maybe that's why Alligator and Frog taste like chicken?
Alligators and frogs have been on Earth a lot longer. Ever consider that chicken tastes like them? Personally, I think that chicken tastes more like archaeopteryx, but a little less gamey.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103499 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Alligators and frogs have been on Earth a lot longer. Ever consider that chicken tastes like them? Personally, I think that chicken tastes more like archaeopteryx, but a little less gamey.
Picky, Picky, Picky.... Since we all evolved from bacterium then all our food should taste like Danon Yogart....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#103500 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Alligators and frogs have been on Earth a lot longer. Ever consider that chicken tastes like them? Personally, I think that chicken tastes more like archaeopteryx, but a little less gamey.
And ifn your chomping on archaeopteryx you get some mighty tough teeth...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103501 May 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I know it's hard for you with your limited knowledge base but Chickens are made by Humans.... We Selected wild fowl and selectively bred them to produce a domesticated animal different in shape, habits from any wild game that came before... Before man domesticated them there were no Chickens.... But there were animals laying eggs for the last 300 to 500 Million years at a minimum...
What you and other do is start with a Belief (God Did It) and anything that supports your preconceived notion is ok, anything that shows those preconceived notions as Balderdash are ignored...
So which came first, The Egg... The egg was a method a organism developed 100's of millions of years ago to deal with environmental conditions and one of those organisms, after 100's of millions of years, became a bird... Then after several 1000 years of Human Breeding some of those birds became Chickens as man acted as a natural selector....
Hey,Squantoumist,
Stop plagiarizing The Great Carnacs jokes,
That is the same answer Johnny Carson gave,when asked which came first,the chicken or the EGG

The Egg... The egg was a method a organism developed 100's of millions of years ago to deal with environmental conditions and one of those organisms, after 100's of millions of years, became a bird... Then after several 1000 years of Human Breeding some of those birds became Chickens as man acted as a natural selector

The audience roared and gave him a 10 minute standing ovation ,as they lay on the floor,laughing..
You are funny,
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#103502 May 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Copycat. Pew research says that 79.5% of Americans claim the same defense. Where were you between the hours of 8 am and 10 am Sunday?
Iíll just have to plead the fifth amendment in response to your question., as do most Americans other than tea partiers, who strongly favor the second of course.

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