Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Sasha

Glasgow, KY

#103145 May 10, 2013
MaryAnn wrote:
<quoted text>curious you do realize you are not supposed to argue over the Scriptures. The Bible says if they will not hear you to shake the dust off your feet and go on. This constant bickering with these infidels and giving them more opportunity to blaspheme God is wrong. You need to quit. Same goes for others that do this.
Of course, one would never want to argue over scripture, is this one of my bad mushroom trips that I am reliving from the 70's?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103146 May 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
See here you going showing the world you are not the brightest bulb in the box.... If I take a box of JuJu Beans and I know about the size of the box and about the size of the average JuJu Bean I can estimate About how many JuJu Beans are in the box.... The Actual estimated number of galaxies in the universe as of this time is between 130 to 500 Billion with each containing an estimated 300 to 600 Billion stars each... But I bet you would want to sit and count that big box of JuJu Beans wouldn't you...
I Never said that Matter and Energy came together and created anything, now your making crap up....... Matter IS Energy, Energy IS Matter.... One can be converted into the other and back as has been validated Millions of times since Einstein explained how that whole E=mc2 thingy works....
Quantumist wrote
You have had that answered several times.... Matter converted from energy... Now if it makes you feel better to say God caused the conversion at the BB that's fine, unnecessary but if it makes life simpler for you.... Those that understand science tend to go with energy just converted some of it's energy into matter, happens every second without someone waving a magic wand... But there is no Creation... From the instant matter converted all we observe was set into motion and physical laws took over...

SAYS I
It seems that your rather simplistic response as to the creation of the universe,does not address some of the issues included in this article

Big Bang Theory - The Premise AT ABOUT SCIENCE
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, WE DON"T KNOW for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are THOUGHT to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is THOUGHT to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical CONCEPT THAT TRULY BOGGLES THE MIND). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from?WE DON"T KNOW. Why did it appear? WE DON"T KNOW

After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day and we are inside of it: incredible creatures living on a unique planet, circling a beautiful star clustered together with several hundred billion other stars in a galaxy soaring through the cosmos, all of which is inside of an expanding universe that began as an infinitesimal singularity WHICH APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE,FOR REASONS UNKNOWN This is the Big Bang theory.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103147 May 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
See here you going showing the world you are not the brightest bulb in the box.... If I take a box of JuJu Beans and I know about the size of the box and about the size of the average JuJu Bean I can estimate About how many JuJu Beans are in the box.... The Actual estimated number of galaxies in the universe as of this time is between 130 to 500 Billion with each containing an estimated 300 to 600 Billion stars each... But I bet you would want to sit and count that big box of JuJu Beans wouldn't you...
I Never said that Matter and Energy came together and created anything, now your making crap up....... Matter IS Energy, Energy IS Matter.... One can be converted into the other and back as has been validated Millions of times since Einstein explained how that whole E=mc2 thingy works....
I have posted this previously,still awaiting your response,If you have one

Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You have had that answered several times.... Matter converted from energy... Now if it makes you feel better to say God caused the conversion at the BB that's fine, unnecessary but if it makes life simpler for you.... Those that understand science tend to go with energy just converted some of it's energy into matter, happens every second without someone waving a magic wand... But there is no Creation... From the instant matter converted all we observe was set into motion and physical laws took over...

Says I
Tend to go,as you stated,is an opinion,not a fact.
Science has totally failed to explain how unliving matter was able to convert itself into living matter. That seems to be a fact.
Science is unable to show how unintelligent matter was able to evolve into intelligent matter,other than,some unexplainable event that may have taken place billions of years ago

Here is an explanation given by
Professor Seth Grant, of the University of Edinburgh
The researchers suggest that a simple invertebrate animal living in the sea 500 million years ago experienced a 'genetic accident', which resulted in extra copies of these genes being made

Calvin Smith
"So committed evolutionists must believe (for the origin of life to have occurred naturalistically) that a code system originated by chance, with no outside intelligence. But experimental science has shown this is false. Information is non-material; it is a metaphysical entity, and has only been observed to be derived from an intelligent source.

"If the universe is non-intelligent, as in it does not contain any intelligence whatsoever, then how can the universe itself account for intelligent beings? If intelligence does not exist at some point, then it can never exist. Intelligence cannot come into being. If you say it can, the burden is on you to prove how. How can mindless matter possibly produce creatures with minds, with brains, with intelligence? No amount of time, natural selection, and chance can create intelligence out of nothing."

So it would seem that the foundation of Science's argument is not factual,is not based on any logical or probable deductions we can draw from it,other than,over a period of billions of years some how ,some way life was created from an unliving source and intelligence was created from an unintelligent source.
At least that is what I understand.....
Fossils,on which you place so much credibility,in no way shape or form,provide any evidence as to how life came into being or the origins of intelligence....
Therefore,if the foundation of your argument hinges on some probabilities that may or may not have occured,that were never observed,that can not be tested,how can any reasonable conclusions be drawn from that foundation

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#103149 May 10, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I have posted this previously,still awaiting your response,If you have one
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You have had that answered several times.... Matter converted from energy... Now if it makes you feel better to say God caused the conversion at the BB that's fine, unnecessary but if it makes life simpler for you.... Those that understand science tend to go with energy just converted some of it's energy into matter, happens every second without someone waving a magic wand... But there is no Creation... From the instant matter converted all we observe was set into motion and physical laws took over...
Says I
Tend to go,as you stated,is an opinion,not a fact.
Science has totally failed to explain how unliving matter was able to convert itself into living matter. That seems to be a fact.
Science is unable to show how unintelligent matter was able to evolve into intelligent matter,other than,some unexplainable event that may have taken place billions of years ago
Here is an explanation given by
Professor Seth Grant, of the University of Edinburgh
The researchers suggest that a simple invertebrate animal living in the sea 500 million years ago experienced a 'genetic accident', which resulted in extra copies of these genes being made
Calvin Smith
"So committed evolutionists must believe (for the origin of life to have occurred naturalistically) that a code system originated by chance, with no outside intelligence. But experimental science has shown this is false. Information is non-material; it is a metaphysical entity, and has only been observed to be derived from an intelligent source.
"If the universe is non-intelligent, as in it does not contain any intelligence whatsoever, then how can the universe itself account for intelligent beings? If intelligence does not exist at some point, then it can never exist. Intelligence cannot come into being. If you say it can, the burden is on you to prove how. How can mindless matter possibly produce creatures with minds, with brains, with intelligence? No amount of time, natural selection, and chance can create intelligence out of nothing."
So it would seem that the foundation of Science's argument is not factual,is not based on any logical or probable deductions we can draw from it,other than,over a period of billions of years some how ,some way life was created from an unliving source and intelligence was created from an unintelligent source.
At least that is what I understand.....
Fossils,on which you place so much credibility,in no way shape or form,provide any evidence as to how life came into being or the origins of intelligence....
Therefore,if the foundation of your argument hinges on some probabilities that may or may not have occured,that were never observed,that can not be tested,how can any reasonable conclusions be drawn from that foundation
Those guys are Full of Crap... Drop them a note to come and debate me because you can't... I cannot sit and take the time to debate dozens of guys that have published Balderdash over time because you can't make your own arguments based on what you read.... I could of course just copy and paste a matching dozen writers that would explain why they are Wrong but I won't match appeals to authority with opposing appeals to authority...

Come back when your read those folks,(I have in the past) and also read up on other researchers in assorted fields and come back when You can speak for yourself....
GWB

Roseville, CA

#103150 May 10, 2013
MaryAnn wrote:
<quoted text>curious you do realize you are not supposed to argue over the Scriptures. The Bible says if they will not hear you to shake the dust off your feet and go on. This constant bickering with these infidels and giving them more opportunity to blaspheme God is wrong. You need to quit. Same goes for others that do this.
No, can't quite till the year 2018.
GWB

Roseville, CA

#103151 May 10, 2013
No, can't quit until the year 2018.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#103152 May 10, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Those guys are Full of Crap... Drop them a note to come and debate me because you can't... I cannot sit and take the time to debate dozens of guys that have published Balderdash over time because you can't make your own arguments based on what you read.... I could of course just copy and paste a matching dozen writers that would explain why they are Wrong but I won't match appeals to authority with opposing appeals to authority...
Come back when your read those folks,(I have in the past) and also read up on other researchers in assorted fields and come back when You can speak for yourself....
As they say,down Harlan way; Just because your father calls you Sonny,doesn't mean you're bright
Immerhin,It is human nature,when confronted with a question you are unable to answer,but having self proclaimed oneself,an expert on that subject,one has 1 of 3 alternatives
1) admit that you are unable to answer said question,which in effect,is a confession that you are wrong
2) Keep your mouth shut....Period
3)Or,enumerate a number of excuses as to why you won't answer the question and put a label on it...crap

Quanty, You are an entertaining fellow and I just thoroughly enjoy reading what you post.
You might think I am mocking you,but,IAM not.
I truly believe you are a funny guy
Freedom

Jamestown, KY

#103153 May 10, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
That one may be familiar with what is written in Scripture,is not an indication that one understands the meaning contained in what Scripture teaches.
In order to claim to understand,requires more than merely reading.
You need to personaly put into practice what is being taught.
You also need to apply the criteria contained in Scriptures to make sure that your interpretation of Scriptures are correct.
I am assuming that the criteria included in Scripture is what you have in mind when you state that" I,meanig you, choose not to reinforce illusions"
If one does not follow the instructions,but instead follows their opinions and emotions,chances are very high,that you will arrive at the wrong conclusions,thereby,deceiving yourself into believing that you understand ,that which you do not.
Amen.
Freedom

Jamestown, KY

#103154 May 10, 2013
MaryAnn wrote:
<quoted text>curious you do realize you are not supposed to argue over the Scriptures. The Bible says if they will not hear you to shake the dust off your feet and go on. This constant bickering with these infidels and giving them more opportunity to blaspheme God is wrong. You need to quit. Same goes for others that do this.
''The Bible says if they will not hear you to shake the dust off your feet and go on.'' Amen

“TELLING IT LIKE IT IS”

Since: Apr 09

FARTSBURG

#103155 May 10, 2013
Great couple of posts Curious! Geez, Ive missed alot of comments on here since I have been off sharing my teachings and counseling inmates.
ProvenScience

London, KY

#103156 May 10, 2013
GWB wrote:
No, can't quit until the year 2018.
Is that like six days worth of a three month?
ProvenScience

London, KY

#103157 May 10, 2013
edit *a three <week> month?

Worms.
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#103158 May 11, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
See here you going showing the world you are not the brightest bulb in the box.... If I take a box of JuJu Beans and I know about the size of the box and about the size of the average JuJu Bean I can estimate About how many JuJu Beans are in the box.... The Actual estimated number of galaxies in the universe as of this time is between 130 to 500 Billion with each containing an estimated 300 to 600 Billion stars each... But I bet you would want to sit and count that big box of JuJu Beans wouldn't you...
I Never said that Matter and Energy came together and created anything, now your making crap up....... Matter IS Energy, Energy IS Matter.... One can be converted into the other and back as has been validated Millions of times since Einstein explained how that whole E=mc2 thingy works....
I would quote Genesis 1:1 but it appears you didn't have the energy and it really wouldn't matter. What you need is a Quantum leap of faith. The big question here is where did you get that big old box you based that..... oh wait "estimate" off of. Nevermind. Someone going off a crazy old book someone else wrote.......
truth

Pikeville, KY

#103159 May 11, 2013
Freedom wrote:
<quoted text>''The Bible says if they will not hear you to shake the dust off your feet and go on.'' Amen
Yeah you guys clearly dont follow that one, otherwise this post would of died years ago lol
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#103160 May 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you had hallucinations and decided to pretend they weren't hallucinations.
No...
No hallucinations!
But do believe whatever you want...
I will believe the truth!
Good day :-)
How stupid can you be

Richmond, KY

#103161 May 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
the result of you buying something without requiring evidence, you buy anything that has no evidence supporting it. You should really be in kindergarten, learning your alphabet from a to zed.
You still don't get it!
God gave me all the 'Evidence' I needed to KNOW He is real!
I truly hope this happens for you, but...
If I were you... I'd want to find out WHY you did not connect with Him!
I'll bet you CAN find the Answer to that question... IF
you look deep enough!
God is real!
Amen!
How stupid can you be

Georgetown, KY

#103162 May 11, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are not an animal, then are you vegetable or mineral? Those are the only three choices in that level.
No!
You are a "Spirit" with a Body!
Good Spirit, or Bad Spirit...
Your choice!
Repent!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#103163 May 11, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been all over that site. There are so many inaccuracies and half-truths on that site that I discounted it years ago, before I even joined the church.
It is an amateur site, so it probably does have errors. But the criticism of the Book of Abraham as being faked is pretty universal outside the LDS circles. When you look at the entire story of how that book came to be and how Smith dealt with it and how the LDS dealt with it in subsequent years it is pretty damn clear.

It is NOT an ancient story of Abraham.

But I understand that you are required to defend it. Your faith depends on Smith being a prophet of god, so all your arguments are going to start with that as a core assumption. From the start, you have a serious fallacy and everything that follows from that is going to be a house of cards at best.
How stupid can you be

Georgetown, KY

#103164 May 11, 2013
Noneyourbuisness wrote:
<quoted text> The truth is that science has shown us time and again how close we are to are primate cousins and because it goes against a book written by Jews and Egyptians thousands of years ago you are dead set on the fact they are right no matter how much evidence there is against it.
Funny how sinners would rather believe satan that the truth!
God is real... get used to that, or you WILL
spend eternity regretting it!
How stupid can you be

Winchester, KY

#103165 May 11, 2013
Noneyourbuisness wrote:
<quoted text> That is kind of stupid how would you know if the dino was hungry.
EXACTLY!
You cannot look at dead bones, AND tell Anything, but that they ARE DEAD!
When, how, why? Nothing!
I'll bet MOST of them died in some catastrophe...
Maybe even a Global Flood... Geee!

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