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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141440 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#102952 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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1) You are still using the Bible itself as proof of the Bible itself. It's circular, see? You need confirming evidence outside the Bible. I don't care if it was written in Luke that Jesus lifted a VW bus and a thousand people saw it. You need confirming evidence outside Luke to even begin to say it might have happened that way.
Christianity is sorely lacking evidence outside its own internal set of writings. And since those writings describe miracles we know scientifically are HIGHLY unlikely to be true we cannot just take it on faith.
2) To answer your question about what it would take to believe in God: evidence. Lots of evidence. The kind of evidence we accept for other things. But you are right. The nature of God, as described by believers, is well outside the domain of science. It is absolutely identical to fantasy.
No,I don't need confirming evidence outside the Bible,
It is you,that wants confirming evidence outside the Bible.
It is absolutely identicalto fantasy,only to those who donot understand the basis for our faith.
Since they are not able to understand it,their only solution in dealing with it is to dismiss it as magic,goosey feelings,blind faith, or that we are being deceived by our minds,none of which are true.
But,those who do not understand and have never experienced or practiced the basis for our faith,have somehow convinced themselves,that they are the experts on that subject and are therefore qualified to interpret,according to their opinions,why and what we should believe in...
Atheists keep regurgitating the same cliches,
"We talk about God because you are trying to force Bible Study in public schools."
I don't see that topic being publicly discussed. It is only,marginally discussed here.
All I keep reading from Atheists is their opinions as to why God does not exist,as if they feel a need to convince themselves that their beliefs are valid.
If you don't believe in God,then accept that you don't believe in God and stop asking for evidence that would prove his existence.
If you want that evidence,I can only tell you where you can get it,I can not get it for you.

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#102953 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>No, I do not understand. You have yet to show the logic of how your bloodline gives you more or less power in a priesthood. Do Mormons have a bloodline test for the priesthood? If not, then why have different standards?
Is this blood magic or something?
It isn't about bloodline. It's about the father to son continuation of the priesthood.
IncompetanceIs

London, KY

#102954 May 8, 2013
Q:How many us prezidinks and us atty genuruls do it takes ta figure out wut to do with the remains of a NON US citizen Terrorist?

A: Lets axe a wikistupedia cwystal bawl while we waits ta seez!!

(AKA-why the h-e-duel hockey sticks, are private citizens having to have ANYthing to do with ANYthing having to do with "what to do with the remains of a NON US citizen terrorist")

OR
Question of the WEEK...and counting....

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#102955 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I see no connection between that post and my question.
It's there

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#102956 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>How can I understand something when no one here has yet to even explain it?
How does the priesthood run in ones bloodline? Is the blood magic?
You guys answer questions that no one asked, while for some reason you think you are answering our questions.
The priesthood is conferred by one that holds the priesthood putting their hands on a person's head and bestowing it upon them. That is easiest tracked by father to son, though it can be conferred by any worthy member.
Why Jesus' bloodline was mentioned was to show that the prophecy was fulfilled. He was from the lineage of David.

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#102957 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>It could be round 10 Billion...
Where is the evidence for this?
PrivateSectorCit izens

London, KY

#102958 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Which do you have a question on?
Yes, we the people have some questions, thank you.

What are US (hint Patriot Act) policies on dealing with the remains of NON US citizen, terrorists in the U.S. of A.?

Thank you on behalf of-
Private sector citizens watching other private sector citizen having to currently handling the situation.

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#102959 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Before that there was no matter, Just Energy... E=Mc2... No Matter, No Time... No matter no clock, no matter no physical laws... No Matter No Space, No Universe, No Thing.... Just a Quantum of Energy in a Unified Indefinable State... Once the first 2 Physical Particles of matter convert then All the laws of Physics, Space, Time, The Universe exists....
Where Is the evidence for this?

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#102960 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Why? There is no need... It's a process that naturally occurs throughout the observed universe... It's still happening now... It will continue to happen for billions of years to come... If Humans do not find a way to leave this tiny ball of mud all human kind will vanish from the universe in the future... the moon is moving away at a few inches per year and in a short million years will be a few million inches further away causing less stability of the planet....

The Insertion of the concept of God is for your own personal ego to make you feel more important than you really are... It's a Human Ego Concept that allows a being that is equivalent to a virus on a mite on a flea on a fly on a bird on a elephants back to feel important... So Important that a God made the universe for them to live in... Actually so important that God takes notice of their lives and allows greatness...

Reality is man is no more than a virus scale critter on a tiny planet orbiting a mundane star on the out skirt of a mundane galaxy among Billions upon billions of other far more notable galaxies with Trillions upon Trillions of far more notable stars....
Well as you have read, I believe that each of those stars we see could have the same type situation going on, with their own god that they are subject to. So the never ending cycles could be because of them. And we belong to the God that created this galaxy.
So in my mind, you still have not explained away the need for God.

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#102961 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If intelligence must be created, then who created that intelligent creator?
I've already answered this for you. If I'm right, the Father has a Father, and so on

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#102962 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry. It is spelled Kolob:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

"Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work that is traditionally held by adherents of the Mormon faith as having been translated from some Egyptian papyrus scrolls by Joseph Smith, the founder of the Latter Day Saint (LDS) movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God. While the Book of Abraham refers to Kolob as a "star",[1] it also refers to planets as stars,[2] and therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3]"

Of course, as it turns out, the Egyptian scrolls don't say anything at all about Kolob, Abraham, or anything else Smith wrote.
Yes I know what Kolob is. Wasn't sure if the other was something else.

Yes, the remaining scrolls are not the portion that the Book of Abraham was included in. These were just in the pile of stuff that Joseph bought. He was prompted to buy the lot of stuff not knowing what it was for. They didn't really need the mummies either.
They aren't sure where the other scrolls are now. Some think they were lost between Nauvoo and Utah.

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#102963 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Sure. Science asks questions all over the place. Backward, forward, sideways. But I suspect your reasons are not about learning science, but about securing a "Gotcha" moment. When a person says that science doesn't know this or that answer you insert God.

Its the way Creationists work. I don't know if you subscribe to Creationism or not, but this is one of their tactics.

Meanwhile, as I pointed out, a Creationist believes in magic, ghosts, and zombies. Yet its the science folks who are crazy?
Magic, ghosts and zombies? Not exactly, but nice attempt to discredit.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102964 May 8, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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You really can't understand that a person can be moral and ethical without an imaginary parental figure standing over them, can you?
It's not that hard.
Simply never act in a manner that would cause you discomfiture.
Embarrassed to be caught in a lie? Then DON'T lie.
Uncomfortable to be seen stealing? Then DON'T steal.
Distressed to be found cheating? Then DON'T cheat.
See? Simple. I'm about the realist "realist" you will meet.
It all depends on ones personal views on what Ethics and morality mean
We have a political system,supposedly composed of honorable public servants,whom,are constantly being accused and found guilty of various ethical violations.Stealing,bribery,se xual misconduct
lying etal..

We find the same incidents within those who serve in law enforcement,the justice system,attorneys and within our armed forces,all reflective of the society in which we live.
Not to mention,some of our religious institutions.

Of course,when charged,they vehemently deny their guilt,but the overwhelming evidence stacked against them,soon leads to a conviction.
More than that,due to the power imbedded in their positions,in many cases they are able to hide their misdeeds from the public and their superiors conveniently either ignore them or attempt to hide them.
This problem also afflicts the general public,to some,more than others Nevertheless,we are all afflicted by our flawed human nature.
Any one claiming that they have never done anything for which they should feel guilty or ashamed,is either lying or has a very low Ethics and Morality bar.
The self righteous,the arrogant,those with a seared conscience and misguided sociopaths have no problem in justifying their unethical or immoral behaviour.
If,as you say,it is that simple,then why have these issues not been resolved by society?
Obviously,it is not that simple and you are not a realist
YiagoLovesWiki

Richmond, KY

#102965 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Sorry. It is spelled Kolob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob
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What a surprise... Wiki: The Lazy person's online educational Rolodex.

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YiagosName

Richmond, KY

#102966 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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You post under a lot of names.
Of course I do and you usually soil your panties when I use your name. I know it chafes.
Yiago wrote:
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I didn't say Wiki was a "valid scientific source". It is an encyclopedia. It contains articles. The articles are *summaries* of topics. And at the bottom are usually a ton of links to the sources used in the article.
For purposes of casual internet discussions and debates Wikipedia is a good starting source of information.
It is sad that I have to explain this.
Now, if you think otherwise then here's a challenge. Go back to that Wiki page that was linked and show us where it is wrong. If Wiki is a terrible source of information then you should have no problem at all showing us all where the article is incorrect and providing us with supporting data.
Or you could just reply with another juvenile insult under a different name.
The point is you use Wiki as a means to validate your silly Topix debates as if you're a MENSA scholar proving your point with evidence from the Scientific Commons community. You consider Wiki valid; otherwise, you wouldn't use it as such a continual crutch.

It's laughable, yet predictable for you Topix polymaths who sit at home in your trailers, crusading via the forums, imagining you are changing the world and showcasing your unparalleled intelligence.
Of course, I have to ridicule you.

Just for fun, how about you and Mike post a South Park video from YouTube. Let us all glean some intelligence.

LOL
EthicalYiago

Richmond, KY

#102967 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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I love ethics. It would be nice to have discussions about ethics on here, but I seriously doubt we could do it without wading through page after page of Bible thumping.
You could start your own thread entitled, "Ethics as defined by Wiki and YouTube."
That would draw in the scientists and intellectuals like hillbillies to whiskey, I'm sure.
AnotherName

Richmond, KY

#102968 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Or you could just reply with another juvenile insult under a different name.
It doesn't matter what name I use or you use to post on Topix. You know it's me and that's all that matters.
I've told you many times that the name under which we post is irrelevant. It's the content of the comment that people should debate. You can't ever get past the name and it's long been the subject of your continual whiny protests in an effort to avoid my actual comments.

It's funny though that you feel personally "insulted" simply because I ridiculed the use of Wiki in so called scientific or intellectual debate.
That speaks volumes about your credibility as a "scholar."
QuantummistsXana x

Richmond, KY

#102969 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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You have had that answered several times.... Matter converted from energy... Now if it makes you feel better to say God caused the conversion at the BB that's fine, unnecessary but if it makes life simpler for you.... Those that understand science tend to go with energy just converted some of it's energy into matter, happens every second without someone waving a magic wand... But there is no Creation... From the instant matter converted all we observe was set into motion and physical laws took over...
Quanty, go ahead and explain to the YouTube boobs EXACTLY how the first matter formed.
If you say energy formed it, then explain how that particular energy came into existence first.
Avoid any circular reasoning that the Christians use. Let's hear it straight from the heart of Barbourville... how did matter and energy come into existence the very first time.
Don't use any references to magic either (poof, it just happened), and don't say you don't know, or that you're not 100% positive, or it "might have been" because, Quanty, we all know science has ALL the answers and YOU know everything.

I got my popcorn ready, and I'm waiting for you to end this big debate once and for all...
You can do it. Go, Quanty, Go!

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102970 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Where is the evidence for this?
There isn't any therefore the Could Be part.... But of course I Don't Believe there was....
Quantummist

Richmond, KY

#102971 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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It could be round 10 Billion...
"could be"
Those are not the words of a scientific genius who knows all and is certain of all his answers.
People who KNOW don't have to guess.
Give some certainty, Quanty. Prove yourself to these hillbillies.
You can do it.

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