Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

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Apple At Cha wrote:
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Thus, we see:
1. Religion isn't needed to know right from wrong.
2. Christians either believe because they want a prize or fear the fire - both of which are self-serving.
3. True selfless acts are those done without regard of whether it gets you some afterlife prize or keeps you from burning.
1) I didn't miss the point whatsoever, you just want to ignore the reality of it. Religion isn't needed to be good. If it isn't necessary for good deeds and knowing right and wrong, then what is its purpose. Some humans are flawed - but not all.

If you believe some humans are flawed ( sinful behaviour),but ,not all and that you are among those not flawed,then,there is no reason to continue this conversation.....If you would point out some of these non flawed individuals. In other words,you are saying that there are those among us,who have never done anything wrong or need be ashamed off...


2) Not everyone lies, steals, and cheats because they can get away with it. And they don't need religion to keep them from doing it.

Stealing,lying and cheating are just a few of our many flaws,which you seem to want to brush off as minor imperfections,especially,when applied to yourself,but which you might find as disgusting when applied to others


.28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know Godís righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

3)I never said being good got one their celestial carrot, but "not being good" definitely gets it taken away. You can proclaim "belief in Jesus" all day long, but your bible states you are known by your works and are to be accountable for your actions. They won't get you into heaven, but they CERTAINLY can get you refused entry. Thus, you have to do good in order to get in - whether you want to admit it or not.

I want to point out to you where your erroneous interpretation of Scriptures has led you to a wrong conclusion.
One can claim to believe in Jesus,that claim means nothing in and of itself . You will be able to prove your claim by your works..Your obedience to his teachings.
As Jesus said
"Not everyone who calls out to me,'Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter
Either you did not read far enough,or,you failed to understand what you read


4) Additionally,
given the parable of the talents, simply "hiding your talents" is deemed as just as bad as wasting them on bad acts.

Keep in mind that a parable is a fictitious story meant to convey a Spiritual meaning.
How did you arrive at that meaning? " Hiding your talents is just as bad as wasting them on bad acts"

I agree,we know right from wrong,the problem is that,even when we know that we are committing a sinful,or wrongful act,many times,we go ahead and do it anyway.Just think,how many things have you done in your life,that you will not admit to anyone.?..and why would you not admit them?

2. Christians either believe because they want a prize or fear the fire - both of which are self-serving.

Why do I not rob a bank? Rape someone? and so on. for the selfish reason that I don't wanna go to jail
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Yes and Amen

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Misty Morn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh such a novice debating the Bible you are. You should pick a a better fight. Why don't you show me where He demands we serve Him? If He demanded we serve Him believe me YOU would be serving. God is like the wind, He is a spirit. No, you cannot see Him but you can see and feel the effects of His presence. I hear Him in an inaudible still small voice, yet very clear who it is speaking. He speaks through His word. Imaginary? No. Of course we don't know the whole mind of God, but He has told us all we need to know to have eternal life. If you don't want eternal life in Heaven one day that is your choice. I choose to go there.
Amen!
And I've found His logic is way above mine, and everything
He speaks is pure truth!
God Bless :-)
LEGIONS

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[/QUOTE]Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. I think it is evil to condemn homosexuality.

What Christian person is condemming the homosexual...I don't condemn the homosexual, I condemn the act itself as I don't condemn the murderer, but the act of murder,as I don't condemn the abuser but the act of abuse. These are all sins that can be forgiven in the eyes of the Lord, we as Christians love the sinner but hate the sin.
Yes and Amen

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Oxymoron wrote:
You can always tell when someone is telling the Truth, because they're told to shut up before they get to speak. This is why the Truth is so hard to find, because no one gets the chance to hear it from those who know it. The only way you can know that you know the truth is when everyone stops listening to you.
Like Osama, Clinton, and Benghazi...
Liberal media hates when the truth that their Golden boy is just another jerk!
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KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Short supply in the world? Where is your evidence of this?
Planned Parenthood, and Kermit Gosnell for just two...

“I'll think about it.”

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Apple At Cha wrote:
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Amen!
And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.
And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.
If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy.
Well said.
And welcome back.
I, for one, have missed your posts.
Yes and Amen

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KittenKoder wrote:
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Fallacies are not truth.
God is NOT a fallacy...
No matter how hard you want Him to be...
He saved me!
We hope you find Him....
Love for you to be on the right side :-)
Yes and Amen

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Really people? I have nothing against Christianity or any religion, but think about it. If you are religious person, wouldn't you rather be the one teaching your kids about your religion rather than some random teacher.
We do teach our kids... It's the rest of them that need to know what the Bible has meant to US history!

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curious wrote:
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I believe you are missing the mark,it is not a question of knowing right from wrong.
The question is,when we are about to commit a wrongful act, and, we know it is wrong,why do we go ahead and commit it anyway?
I don't.
Why do YOU?
curious wrote:
<quoted text> When we steal,we know it is wrong,yet we do it anyway
I don't.
Why do YOU?
curious wrote:
<quoted text> When we lie,we know it is wrong,we do it anyway
I don't.
Why do YOU?
curious wrote:
<quoted text> And the list goes on....
That is because our human nature is flawed. So we know right from wrong,but,are unable to do that which is right.
I am quite able to do what is right.
Why aren't YOU?
curious wrote:
<quoted text> If we were able ,on our own,to correct the many flaws we have,we would do so.
I don't have flaws.
Why do YOU?

The reason you don't is simple. You are lazy.
It is easier to lie, cheat or steal, then beg for "forgiveness" than to actually to do the right thing in the first place.

Religion gives you a scapegoat. And, boy, do you use it.
Grow up and become a responsible adult.
It is worth the effort.
Yes and Amen

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ProvenScience wrote:
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GOVERNMENT "Leadership": America is still waiting. WHY is the "general public" EVEN involved with "what to do with the remains of a NON US citizen terrorist"????????
Unbelievable.
Dump his body in the ocean, as
we did with Osama...
Works for me!
LOL
Yes and Amen

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Farkus wrote:
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So, I guess ALL the children who will be born today blind, deaf or suffering from some other birth defect didn't have enough faith in the womb? NICE!
Why didn't Jesus go ahead and cure blindness? Oh, yeah, I forgot...it is a myth.
http://www.bing.com/videos/sea rch?q=blind+eyes+open&qpvt =blind+eyes+open&FORM=VDRE
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Just a few...
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Quantummist wrote:
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You have had that answered several times.... Matter converted from energy... Now if it makes you feel better to say God caused the conversion at the BB that's fine, unnecessary but if it makes life simpler for you.... Those that understand science tend to go with energy just converted some of it's energy into matter, happens every second without someone waving a magic wand... But there is no Creation... From the instant matter converted all we observe was set into motion and physical laws took over...
Tend to go,as you stated,is an opinion,not a fact.
Science has totally failed to explain how unliving matter was able to convert itself into living matter. That seems to be a fact.
Science is unable to show how unintelligent matter was able to evolve into intelligent matter,other than,some unexplainable event that may have taken place or billions of years ago

Here is an explanation given by
Professor Seth Grant, of the University of Edinburgh
The researchers suggest that a simple invertebrate animal living in the sea 500 million years ago experienced a 'genetic accident', which resulted in extra copies of these genes being made

"If the universe is non-intelligent, as in it does not contain any intelligence whatsoever, then how can the universe itself account for intelligent beings? If intelligence does not exist at some point, then it can never exist. Intelligence cannot come into being. If you say it can, the burden is on you to prove how. How can mindless matter possibly produce creatures with minds, with brains, with intelligence? No amount of time, natural selection, and chance can create intelligence out of nothing."

So it would seem that the foundation of your argument is not factual,is not based on any logical or probable deductions we can draw from it,other than,over a period of billions of years some how ,some way life was created from an unliving source and intelligence was created from an unintelligent source.
At least that is what I understand.....
Fossils,on which you place so much credibility,in no way shape or form,provide any evidence as to how life came into being or the origins of intelligence....
Therefore,if the foundation of your argument hinges on some probabilities that may or may not have occured,that were never observed,that can not be tested,how can any reasonable conclusions be drawn from that foundation

“See how you are?”

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curious wrote:
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I don't believe it is the governments job or resposibility to teach my children about God
As a parent,I don't believe I should tell my children that God exists..
It is my responsibility to TEACH them about God,the reasons for my belief in God,my faith in God based on my personal experiences,not on the opinions or views of others
I also vehemently oppose the suggestion that the government has any justification in indoctrinating schoolchildren into ANY specific theologies,including Evolution.
So,if you teach one,you need teach the other or teach neither.
The religious are the only ones who regard the theory of evolution as a theology. Whether that is because it is viewed as a threat to Abrahamic Creationism, because it is rhetoric that is prevalent among certain religious circles and spokesmen or because some religious minded deign not to distinguish the difference between science and divinity has been debated numerous times in this thread and elsewhere. Common regard of it does not come anywhere close to matching any observance or definition of theology, religion or faith.
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I believe in the sun, even when it doesn't shine. I believe in love, even when it is not shown. I believe in God , even when he doesn't speak.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Keep moving that goal post back. Now when are you going to tell us when and how god was created and who did it? Then tell us when space time was created by god and how he did it?
I did. You said I was wrong, so I want to hear what you think. That's all I've asked this whole time.
No goal posts, just tell me what you think since you think I'm wrong.
So true

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What makes a Christian a Christian is not perfection it's forgiveness....
Yes and Amen

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just me wrote:
http://www.intouch.org/broadca st/video-archives/content/topi c/The_Courage_to_Stand_by_your _convictions_video
Dr. Stanley is a good man!
I also like Andrew Wommack
awmi.net
God Bless :-)
Yes and Amen

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So true wrote:
What makes a Christian a Christian is not perfection it's forgiveness....
Amen, and
Very thankful for it!
:-)
Yes and Amen

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aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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It's pretty obvious you have never watched small children at play.
A young child has no conscience... evidenced by "MY toy!," I"M hungry!,"
"I want!"
Consideration for others, sharing and empathy are TAUGHT.
What is taught is...
Learning to care!
What does a child do when caught doing something???
It happens even when you've never told it NOT to do that thing!
They/we know something is wrong before being told...
Just lil sinners needing redemption!
curious

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aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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I don't.
Why do YOU?
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I don't.
Why do YOU?
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I don't.
Why do YOU?
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I am quite able to do what is right.
Why aren't YOU?
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I don't have flaws.

Why do YOU?
The reason you don't is simple. You are lazy.
It is easier to lie, cheat or steal, then beg for "forgiveness" than to actually to do the right thing in the first place.
Religion gives you a scapegoat. And, boy, do you use it.
Grow up and become a responsible adult.
It is worth the effort.
LOL Hey Witch
My posting was not addressed to the self righteous..
There was no need for you to respond

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