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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143213 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#102912 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
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I don't mean to sound unimpressed...
Why do you copy and paste text (from the originator) that you already have quoted in your post?

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#102913 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Only because you do not know the science that is known of their formation.... Like a tadpole in a puddle... to the tadpole that does not know what the puddle was like before it was born in it, and not knowing what the puddle will be long after it's gone from it, the puddle seems perfect with all things in balance and made for the tadpoles existence in it... He doesn't know of when it was a dry lifeless depression in the seldom used road, he doesn't know of the car heading his way in a day or so... So when the tadpole observes his perfect watery universe he Knows that something had to make it so perfect....

You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period that lasted for millions of years where the earth was a red hot molten ball of lava being hit constantly by large hunks of rocks and ice... with a moon so close that there was tsunamis of red hot lava a mile high every 6 hours as the moon that filled a 1/4 of the sky passed by during the 6 hour night... All the while the poison gases around our puddle was being irradiated by solar charged particles hitting it without the protections of the Ozone layers...

You see the Puddle you are surrounded by and say the blobs are like clockworks never considering the view is only a 1/10,000th of a second view of the puddle....
So this time period could not have been part of the creation periods, being executed from the plan of a creator?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102914 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
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"You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period etcetc"
implies that,someone actually witnessed those events,as you so vividly described them,mile high tsunamis,every six hours and so on,
If they were not witnessed,what is your basis for giving such a vivid and supposedly accurate description,
Or,are you being facetious,and merely trying to entertain us....
I hope so.....I like Science fiction and was a devout fan of the Twilight Zolne
It's Called Evidence.... We have Evidence of the heavy bombardment period, we have Evidence of the early molten rock formations... We have Evidence the moon is moving away from the earth and can mathematically calculate it's distance early on... We know the gravitational Constance, We have millions of other stars and 100's systems to compare ours too.... We know that the sun is a 3rd generation star that has burned and blown up 2 times before and the matter from those explosions reformed to give us the star we orbit today....

Simply because you do not take the opportunity to study the many fields of science that allows us to know what reality is does not mean you can't start learning the basics anytime you wish... I would start with basic general science class and then take Physics, Geology, Chemistry courses to begin with before getting into the more esoteric sciences....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102915 May 8, 2013
Doll wrote:
<quoted text>Mr.D. So what if YOU don't believe in anything? That is your loss not mine. It does not change the Truth. Most people don't want to believe in the things they are afraid of. It won't make it go away. I do not ask Mohammed because he has no power. He is a dead god.
I have no fear of your myth. Do you not fear the wrath of Zeus?
God has no power.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102916 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So before that was just matter in motion that at some point reacted with each other to start the clock?
Before that there was no matter, Just Energy... E=Mc2... No Matter, No Time... No matter no clock, no matter no physical laws... No Matter No Space, No Universe, No Thing.... Just a Quantum of Energy in a Unified Indefinable State... Once the first 2 Physical Particles of matter convert then All the laws of Physics, Space, Time, The Universe exists....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102917 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So was there some universe in play before that died out and this is round 2?
Highly philosophical and hypothetical question, since by any human definition it would be as totally isolated and discreet from this existence as is absolutely possible. Supposing there is/was/will be a "parent universe," to seed this one, there is/was/will be no reason to suppose it will/does/did resemble/s/d this one in any way.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102918 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So this time period could not have been part of the creation periods, being executed from the plan of a creator?
Why? There is no need... It's a process that naturally occurs throughout the observed universe... It's still happening now... It will continue to happen for billions of years to come... If Humans do not find a way to leave this tiny ball of mud all human kind will vanish from the universe in the future... the moon is moving away at a few inches per year and in a short million years will be a few million inches further away causing less stability of the planet....

The Insertion of the concept of God is for your own personal ego to make you feel more important than you really are... It's a Human Ego Concept that allows a being that is equivalent to a virus on a mite on a flea on a fly on a bird on a elephants back to feel important... So Important that a God made the universe for them to live in... Actually so important that God takes notice of their lives and allows greatness...

Reality is man is no more than a virus scale critter on a tiny planet orbiting a mundane star on the out skirt of a mundane galaxy among Billions upon billions of other far more notable galaxies with Trillions upon Trillions of far more notable stars....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102919 May 8, 2013
Doll wrote:
<quoted text>Mr.D. So what if YOU don't believe in anything? That is your loss not mine. It does not change the Truth. Most people don't want to believe in the things they are afraid of. It won't make it go away. I do not ask Mohammed because he has no power. He is a dead god.
Most people are not afraid of make believe things.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102920 May 8, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Why do you copy and paste text (from the originator) that you already have quoted in your post?
If I told you,you wouldn't believe me,,,
You would claim that it was a coincidence that could be logically explained......
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102921 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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It's Called Evidence.... We have Evidence of the heavy bombardment period, we have Evidence of the early molten rock formations... We have Evidence the moon is moving away from the earth and can mathematically calculate it's distance early on... We know the gravitational Constance, We have millions of other stars and 100's systems to compare ours too.... We know that the sun is a 3rd generation star that has burned and blown up 2 times before and the matter from those explosions reformed to give us the star we orbit today....
Simply because you do not take the opportunity to study the many fields of science that allows us to know what reality is does not mean you can't start learning the basics anytime you wish... I would start with basic general science class and then take Physics, Geology, Chemistry courses to begin with before getting into the more esoteric sciences....
What esoteric science did you study,that gave you the ability to analyze the thinking process of tadpoles?
That might be the Science I'd be interested in learning about.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102922 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
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Tend to go,as you stated,is an opinion,not a fact.
Science has totally failed to explain how unliving matter was able to convert itself into living matter. That seems to be a fact.
Science is unable to show how unintelligent matter was able to evolve into intelligent matter,other than,some unexplainable event that may have taken place or billions of years ago
Here is an explanation given by
Professor Seth Grant, of the University of Edinburgh
The researchers suggest that a simple invertebrate animal living in the sea 500 million years ago experienced a 'genetic accident', which resulted in extra copies of these genes being made
"If the universe is non-intelligent, as in it does not contain any intelligence whatsoever, then how can the universe itself account for intelligent beings? If intelligence does not exist at some point, then it can never exist. Intelligence cannot come into being. If you say it can, the burden is on you to prove how. How can mindless matter possibly produce creatures with minds, with brains, with intelligence? No amount of time, natural selection, and chance can create intelligence out of nothing."
So it would seem that the foundation of your argument is not factual,is not based on any logical or probable deductions we can draw from it,other than,over a period of billions of years some how ,some way life was created from an unliving source and intelligence was created from an unintelligent source.
At least that is what I understand.....
Fossils,on which you place so much credibility,in no way shape or form,provide any evidence as to how life came into being or the origins of intelligence....
Therefore,if the foundation of your argument hinges on some probabilities that may or may not have occured,that were never observed,that can not be tested,how can any reasonable conclusions be drawn from that foundation
If intelligence must be created, then who created that intelligent creator?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102923 May 8, 2013
So true wrote:
I believe in the sun, even when it doesn't shine. I believe in love, even when it is not shown. I believe in God , even when he doesn't speak.
i believe in the sun because it presents itself. Love is an emotion, not a being or object.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#102924 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
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What esoteric science did you study,that gave you the ability to analyze the thinking process of tadpoles?
That might be the Science I'd be interested in learning about.
Biology and comparative psychology..
LMAO

Richmond, KY

#102925 May 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
So, you think because "Berkeley" has a YouTube channel, YouTube is considered "scientific"? Really?

BWahahahaha!

It's worse than I thought.
LOL

Richmond, KY

#102926 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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And if you are not the poster I was replying to earlier, I apologize. But the point stands.
Yiago: The Wiki Researcher.

The YouTube Scientist!

Yiago says, "I got mah GED at Wiki and mah master's at YouTube. I'm edjumacated and can debate sci-entistical stuffs."
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102927 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe the claim of the resurrection was a lie but the authors of the bible just blindly believed the tale as you do?
Here is the answer to your question as posted by saywhut

"What would the motives be for these apostles to continue to teach Jesus' words? If He did not come back to visit them after death, why would they have reason to believe anything He told them?
So if Jesus would have died and not returned to them to show them that He indeed lives, they would have to be idiots to continue to teach His words and jeopardize their lives over it while remaining dirt poor. They gained nothing financially or socially by carrying on the spreading of the gospel. And almost all of them were killed for their doing so. If Jesus did not rise and speak to them, wouldn't they just have walked away, a little bitter even for wasting that much time of their lives and leaving their family?

Now,let me ask you this;You believe in Evolution;
Is that belief strong enough,that you would be willing to risk your freedom or life ,As the Apostles and other Christians did, for their beliefs? And why would you?
What's more,
If,you did not believe in evolution,would you be willing to risk your life and freedom by claiming that evolution was true?
And,Why would you?
LOL

Richmond, KY

#102928 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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You do understand what Wikipedia is, right? It is a crowd-sourced online encyclopedia. If you look at the link you refused to read you will see a list of references at the bottom. This is analogous to a bibliography in a book or article. You can vet each and every one of them if you like.
So please educate us. What parts of the Wiki article are incorrect? Cite your own sources and explain why you think they are better.
Remember, the Wiki page is only a gateway to information. It is a summary, not a source. But you would be hard pressed to find a better and more universally accepted starting point for a casual debate than Wikipedia.
Now, do you have something to say about the content or was this just a matter of lazy dodging?
ROFL
Way to showcase your community college degree.

You missed the point.

You actually consider Wiki a valid scientific source. Isn't that a little more than sad?
I wonder how many scientists have to consult Wiki to verify their work.

"A gateway to information" Pardon my cackling.
Hey, it must be scientific research if any old Joe can post it on Wiki!

You go, debater! Post a YouTube link and it will really impress them.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102929 May 8, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>What is taught is...
Learning to care!
What does a child do when caught doing something???
It happens even when you've never told it NOT to do that thing!
They/we know something is wrong before being told...
Just lil sinners needing redemption!
In the early stages, they know not when they do wrong. Sometimes they just know your angry face.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102930 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
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Here is the answer to your question as posted by saywhut
"What would the motives be for these apostles to continue to teach Jesus' words? If He did not come back to visit them after death, why would they have reason to believe anything He told them?
So if Jesus would have died and not returned to them to show them that He indeed lives, they would have to be idiots to continue to teach His words and jeopardize their lives over it while remaining dirt poor. They gained nothing financially or socially by carrying on the spreading of the gospel. And almost all of them were killed for their doing so. If Jesus did not rise and speak to them, wouldn't they just have walked away, a little bitter even for wasting that much time of their lives and leaving their family?
Now,let me ask you this;You believe in Evolution;
Is that belief strong enough,that you would be willing to risk your freedom or life ,As the Apostles and other Christians did, for their beliefs? And why would you?
What's more,
If,you did not believe in evolution,would you be willing to risk your life and freedom by claiming that evolution was true?
And,Why would you?
People die fighting for all sorts of causes. Some are religious some are not.
If Mohamed was not the true prophet, then why would the terrorists die for him? It is blind belief just as you have. Do you need to see a resurrection for your faith? If not, then why do you expect others to see it?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102931 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is the answer to your question as posted by saywhut
"What would the motives be for these apostles to continue to teach Jesus' words? If He did not come back to visit them after death, why would they have reason to believe anything He told them?
So if Jesus would have died and not returned to them to show them that He indeed lives, they would have to be idiots to continue to teach His words and jeopardize their lives over it while remaining dirt poor. They gained nothing financially or socially by carrying on the spreading of the gospel. And almost all of them were killed for their doing so. If Jesus did not rise and speak to them, wouldn't they just have walked away, a little bitter even for wasting that much time of their lives and leaving their family?
Now,let me ask you this;You believe in Evolution;
Is that belief strong enough,that you would be willing to risk your freedom or life ,As the Apostles and other Christians did, for their beliefs? And why would you?
What's more,
If,you did not believe in evolution,would you be willing to risk your life and freedom by claiming that evolution was true?
And,Why would you?
Evolution is not a philosophy. Their is no cause in evolution in which to fight for.
The ideas Jesus promoted was a revolt against the status quo. No matter if he was a deity, their was cause to fight.

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