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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 153604 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#102908 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Just to clarify... There was no Time before the BB... Time is a Relative concept and on other than human scale applies to matter in motion relative to other matter in motion .. The very concept of Time started at what is called Time 0+ the Instant after the first particle of matter converted from the Unified Indefinable Energy Quantum....
So before that was just matter in motion that at some point reacted with each other to start the clock?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102909 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's say that Charles Manson has a rabid fan club and they write the story of his life. Would you read that book and assume it is all literally true or would you take it with a grain of salt?
When I was a non believer,I most assuredly took it with more than a grain of salt. I did not want to hear about it,period.
But let's look at this fanclub,as you call it.
They spent about 3 years with Jesus and witnessed his works.He had told them about his upcomind death.
They had stated that they were willing to die with him..
But,when Jesus was arrested,they quickly ran away,Peter denied him. After Jesus was buried and his tomb was found to be empty and were told by Mary Magdalene that she had seen him,that he had risen,they did not believe her.
So,one needs to ask the question,If one does not believe that Jesus rose from the dead,why would one insist in preaching that he has?What would be the purpose?What price are you going to pay,for preaching something you believe to be a lie?Persecution by those who are in power,jailed and flogged.
Do you stand to make a financial gain?
But,if Jesus did rise from the dead,as they so ardently believed,that he was the son of God,then one would have a very legitimate reason for standing before the powers that be,and preach that which has been proven to you,by Him who made those claims.
One may be willing to die or suffer for what one believes to be true,but,one is not willing to die or suffer for that which one knows to be a lie.
Paul,whose trials and tribulations ,I am sure you are familiar with made a statement that had a tremendous impact on me
"
1 Corinthians 15:13-20
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people MOST TO BE PITIED
Let me ask you this,What scientific evidence would YOU require,in order to believe in God?
What if the evidence you required was not sufficient to convince others? Then what?
And let us keep in mind,that Science,by it's very definition ,does not have the tools to provide such evidence.
I believe you,when you say that you want evidence,but,it appears to me that,you are looking in the wrong places for your answer
Maybe the claim of the resurrection was a lie but the authors of the bible just blindly believed the tale as you do?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102910 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So was there some universe in play before that died out and this is round 2?
It could be round 10 Billion...

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#102911 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>Let's say that Charles Manson has a rabid fan club and they write the story of his life. Would you read that book and assume it is all literally true or would you take it with a grain of salt?

When I was a non believer,I most assuredly took it with more than a grain of salt. I did not want to hear about it,period.
But let's look at this fanclub,as you call it.
They spent about 3 years with Jesus and witnessed his works.He had told them about his upcomind death.
They had stated that they were willing to die with him..
But,when Jesus was arrested,they quickly ran away,Peter denied him. After Jesus was buried and his tomb was found to be empty and were told by Mary Magdalene that she had seen him,that he had risen,they did not believe her.
So,one needs to ask the question,If one does not believe that Jesus rose from the dead,why would one insist in preaching that he has?What would be the purpose?What price are you going to pay,for preaching something you believe to be a lie?Persecution by those who are in power,jailed and flogged.
Do you stand to make a financial gain?
But,if Jesus did rise from the dead,as they so ardently believed,that he was the son of God,then one would have a very legitimate reason for standing before the powers that be,and preach that which has been proven to you,by Him who made those claims.
One may be willing to die or suffer for what one believes to be true,but,one is not willing to die or suffer for that which one knows to be a lie.
Paul,whose trials and tribulations ,I am sure you are familiar with made a statement that had a tremendous impact on me
"
1 Corinthians 15:13-20
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people MOST TO BE PITIED

Let me ask you this,What scientific evidence would YOU require,in order to believe in God?

What if the evidence you required was not sufficient to convince others? Then what?

And let us keep in mind,that Science,by it's very definition ,does not have the tools to provide such evidence.

I believe you,when you say that you want evidence,but,it appears to me that,you are looking in the wrong places for your answer
What would the motives be for these apostles to continue to teach Jesus' words? If He did not come back to visit them after death, why would they have reason to believe anything He told them?
So if Jesus would have died and not returned to them to show them that He indeed lives, they would have to be idiots to continue to teach His words and jeopardize their lives over it while remaining dirt poor. They gained nothing financially or socially by carrying on the spreading of the gospel. And almost all of them were killed for their doing so. If Jesus did not rise and speak to them, wouldn't they just have walked away, a little bitter even for wasting that much time of their lives and leaving their family?

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#102912 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
...
I don't mean to sound unimpressed...
Why do you copy and paste text (from the originator) that you already have quoted in your post?

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#102913 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Only because you do not know the science that is known of their formation.... Like a tadpole in a puddle... to the tadpole that does not know what the puddle was like before it was born in it, and not knowing what the puddle will be long after it's gone from it, the puddle seems perfect with all things in balance and made for the tadpoles existence in it... He doesn't know of when it was a dry lifeless depression in the seldom used road, he doesn't know of the car heading his way in a day or so... So when the tadpole observes his perfect watery universe he Knows that something had to make it so perfect....

You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period that lasted for millions of years where the earth was a red hot molten ball of lava being hit constantly by large hunks of rocks and ice... with a moon so close that there was tsunamis of red hot lava a mile high every 6 hours as the moon that filled a 1/4 of the sky passed by during the 6 hour night... All the while the poison gases around our puddle was being irradiated by solar charged particles hitting it without the protections of the Ozone layers...

You see the Puddle you are surrounded by and say the blobs are like clockworks never considering the view is only a 1/10,000th of a second view of the puddle....
So this time period could not have been part of the creation periods, being executed from the plan of a creator?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102914 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>

"You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period etcetc"
implies that,someone actually witnessed those events,as you so vividly described them,mile high tsunamis,every six hours and so on,
If they were not witnessed,what is your basis for giving such a vivid and supposedly accurate description,
Or,are you being facetious,and merely trying to entertain us....
I hope so.....I like Science fiction and was a devout fan of the Twilight Zolne
It's Called Evidence.... We have Evidence of the heavy bombardment period, we have Evidence of the early molten rock formations... We have Evidence the moon is moving away from the earth and can mathematically calculate it's distance early on... We know the gravitational Constance, We have millions of other stars and 100's systems to compare ours too.... We know that the sun is a 3rd generation star that has burned and blown up 2 times before and the matter from those explosions reformed to give us the star we orbit today....

Simply because you do not take the opportunity to study the many fields of science that allows us to know what reality is does not mean you can't start learning the basics anytime you wish... I would start with basic general science class and then take Physics, Geology, Chemistry courses to begin with before getting into the more esoteric sciences....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102915 May 8, 2013
Doll wrote:
<quoted text>Mr.D. So what if YOU don't believe in anything? That is your loss not mine. It does not change the Truth. Most people don't want to believe in the things they are afraid of. It won't make it go away. I do not ask Mohammed because he has no power. He is a dead god.
I have no fear of your myth. Do you not fear the wrath of Zeus?
God has no power.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102916 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So before that was just matter in motion that at some point reacted with each other to start the clock?
Before that there was no matter, Just Energy... E=Mc2... No Matter, No Time... No matter no clock, no matter no physical laws... No Matter No Space, No Universe, No Thing.... Just a Quantum of Energy in a Unified Indefinable State... Once the first 2 Physical Particles of matter convert then All the laws of Physics, Space, Time, The Universe exists....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102917 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So was there some universe in play before that died out and this is round 2?
Highly philosophical and hypothetical question, since by any human definition it would be as totally isolated and discreet from this existence as is absolutely possible. Supposing there is/was/will be a "parent universe," to seed this one, there is/was/will be no reason to suppose it will/does/did resemble/s/d this one in any way.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102918 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So this time period could not have been part of the creation periods, being executed from the plan of a creator?
Why? There is no need... It's a process that naturally occurs throughout the observed universe... It's still happening now... It will continue to happen for billions of years to come... If Humans do not find a way to leave this tiny ball of mud all human kind will vanish from the universe in the future... the moon is moving away at a few inches per year and in a short million years will be a few million inches further away causing less stability of the planet....

The Insertion of the concept of God is for your own personal ego to make you feel more important than you really are... It's a Human Ego Concept that allows a being that is equivalent to a virus on a mite on a flea on a fly on a bird on a elephants back to feel important... So Important that a God made the universe for them to live in... Actually so important that God takes notice of their lives and allows greatness...

Reality is man is no more than a virus scale critter on a tiny planet orbiting a mundane star on the out skirt of a mundane galaxy among Billions upon billions of other far more notable galaxies with Trillions upon Trillions of far more notable stars....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102919 May 8, 2013
Doll wrote:
<quoted text>Mr.D. So what if YOU don't believe in anything? That is your loss not mine. It does not change the Truth. Most people don't want to believe in the things they are afraid of. It won't make it go away. I do not ask Mohammed because he has no power. He is a dead god.
Most people are not afraid of make believe things.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102920 May 8, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you copy and paste text (from the originator) that you already have quoted in your post?
If I told you,you wouldn't believe me,,,
You would claim that it was a coincidence that could be logically explained......
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102921 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
It's Called Evidence.... We have Evidence of the heavy bombardment period, we have Evidence of the early molten rock formations... We have Evidence the moon is moving away from the earth and can mathematically calculate it's distance early on... We know the gravitational Constance, We have millions of other stars and 100's systems to compare ours too.... We know that the sun is a 3rd generation star that has burned and blown up 2 times before and the matter from those explosions reformed to give us the star we orbit today....
Simply because you do not take the opportunity to study the many fields of science that allows us to know what reality is does not mean you can't start learning the basics anytime you wish... I would start with basic general science class and then take Physics, Geology, Chemistry courses to begin with before getting into the more esoteric sciences....
What esoteric science did you study,that gave you the ability to analyze the thinking process of tadpoles?
That might be the Science I'd be interested in learning about.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102922 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Tend to go,as you stated,is an opinion,not a fact.
Science has totally failed to explain how unliving matter was able to convert itself into living matter. That seems to be a fact.
Science is unable to show how unintelligent matter was able to evolve into intelligent matter,other than,some unexplainable event that may have taken place or billions of years ago
Here is an explanation given by
Professor Seth Grant, of the University of Edinburgh
The researchers suggest that a simple invertebrate animal living in the sea 500 million years ago experienced a 'genetic accident', which resulted in extra copies of these genes being made
"If the universe is non-intelligent, as in it does not contain any intelligence whatsoever, then how can the universe itself account for intelligent beings? If intelligence does not exist at some point, then it can never exist. Intelligence cannot come into being. If you say it can, the burden is on you to prove how. How can mindless matter possibly produce creatures with minds, with brains, with intelligence? No amount of time, natural selection, and chance can create intelligence out of nothing."
So it would seem that the foundation of your argument is not factual,is not based on any logical or probable deductions we can draw from it,other than,over a period of billions of years some how ,some way life was created from an unliving source and intelligence was created from an unintelligent source.
At least that is what I understand.....
Fossils,on which you place so much credibility,in no way shape or form,provide any evidence as to how life came into being or the origins of intelligence....
Therefore,if the foundation of your argument hinges on some probabilities that may or may not have occured,that were never observed,that can not be tested,how can any reasonable conclusions be drawn from that foundation
If intelligence must be created, then who created that intelligent creator?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102923 May 8, 2013
So true wrote:
I believe in the sun, even when it doesn't shine. I believe in love, even when it is not shown. I believe in God , even when he doesn't speak.
i believe in the sun because it presents itself. Love is an emotion, not a being or object.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102924 May 8, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
What esoteric science did you study,that gave you the ability to analyze the thinking process of tadpoles?
That might be the Science I'd be interested in learning about.
Biology and comparative psychology..
LMAO

Clay City, KY

#102925 May 8, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
So, you think because "Berkeley" has a YouTube channel, YouTube is considered "scientific"? Really?

BWahahahaha!

It's worse than I thought.
LOL

Clay City, KY

#102926 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
And if you are not the poster I was replying to earlier, I apologize. But the point stands.
Yiago: The Wiki Researcher.

The YouTube Scientist!

Yiago says, "I got mah GED at Wiki and mah master's at YouTube. I'm edjumacated and can debate sci-entistical stuffs."
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102927 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe the claim of the resurrection was a lie but the authors of the bible just blindly believed the tale as you do?
Here is the answer to your question as posted by saywhut

"What would the motives be for these apostles to continue to teach Jesus' words? If He did not come back to visit them after death, why would they have reason to believe anything He told them?
So if Jesus would have died and not returned to them to show them that He indeed lives, they would have to be idiots to continue to teach His words and jeopardize their lives over it while remaining dirt poor. They gained nothing financially or socially by carrying on the spreading of the gospel. And almost all of them were killed for their doing so. If Jesus did not rise and speak to them, wouldn't they just have walked away, a little bitter even for wasting that much time of their lives and leaving their family?

Now,let me ask you this;You believe in Evolution;
Is that belief strong enough,that you would be willing to risk your freedom or life ,As the Apostles and other Christians did, for their beliefs? And why would you?
What's more,
If,you did not believe in evolution,would you be willing to risk your life and freedom by claiming that evolution was true?
And,Why would you?

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