Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Raina

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You guys keep moving the goal post and missing the point.... The Original question was about being happy and did science have anything to do with it... it was not about stuff making one happy... A Harley does not make me happy.. but riding around checking out the country side and enjoying the day with the wind in whats left of my hair indeed makes me happy, feels me with joy... There are Lots of stuff that makes me happy and fills me with joy... And I get to Enjoy them due to Science.... Happiness is a Choice... And you guys that want to sit around and thank some invisible guy in the sky for your happiness are being Intellectually Dishonest because in order for you to be happy sitting and having the time to be happy is because long ago Science came along and over time has allowed you the ability to sit around and naval gaze.... Without Science you would be spending your every waking hour digging roots and tubers to feed yourself or hiding from stuff that would end your short 40 years long life.... At night your dung covered hut would be your hidey hole from others and wild things that would love to snack on you pieces parts.... Could you still find a few fleeting moments to be happy and joyful, of course you could... But only if you had not known what science could provide in the first place.... But the Question was asked of Me Now... And I'm intellectually honest enough to know that if Science were gone tomorrow Happiness and Joy would be the last thing on my mind... I would be spending my time trying to Repeat Science so I could make the things I could to help feed me and my family and defend us from the roving gangs of B'Levers that would be trying to take my crap....
Well you got that one all wrong as usual. You think believers just sit staring at the ceiling. We know way better how to enjoy nature and all the nice things scientists have figured out how to make. Although I would give inventors a good amount of credit. Just because a scientist or inventor figures something out doesn't mean they are atheists/anti Christ as you all seem to think.

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Raina wrote:
<quoted text>Well you got that one all wrong as usual. You think believers just sit staring at the ceiling. We know way better how to enjoy nature and all the nice things scientists have figured out how to make. Although I would give inventors a good amount of credit. Just because a scientist or inventor figures something out doesn't mean they are atheists/anti Christ as you all seem to think.
However, the more we discover, the fewer places your god has to hide.

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<quoted text>That's how you sell any snake oil, you have to have faith it will work or it won't work. The problem with faith is that it eliminates objectivity completely, it destroys your capability to see just how much that snake oil has failed to work. Thus, you imagine evidence has been presented without ever questioning it, which makes you delusional.
That's your opinion. Mine is different because I have experienced it for myself many times. Consider it a delusion if you want, it makes no difference what others think.

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<quoted text>Well you got that one all wrong as usual. You think believers just sit staring at the ceiling. We know way better how to enjoy nature and all the nice things scientists have figured out how to make. Although I would give inventors a good amount of credit. Just because a scientist or inventor figures something out doesn't mean they are atheists/anti Christ as you all seem to think.
Geezzz... it's like talking to a room full of drug users.... The Comments were in Context of the first poster that asked a Question... That poster told me it was Sad that I Got up in the morning Happy and gave credit to Science for such... Then I'm told I am materialistic and Joy/Happiness comes from loving your family or some fuzzy idea of a god and afterlife ... And Now you jump in telling me I'm wrong when what you are writing is totally out of context to the thread I was commenting on...

Inventors do not Invent in a vacuum... Inventors use the 1000's of years of mans knowledge in science in order to build a better mouse trap... Take Away the Science and your Inventor would be hard pressed to invent a paper clip.. he would have to start by gaining the metal working knowledge, and even the scientific basis that gave him the idea which ores to dig to start with... a simple basic Invention of today requires Science that has today become mundane and common place, taken for granted... With Your Knowledge today drop you back a couple 1000 years and Invent a firearm... As much as you know about how to build one you would spend a lifetime trying to Invent the dozens of necessary steps to get to the point you can build a working firearm that didn't blow up in your face... Every new Invention today, no matter how simple, owes it's invention to all the science knowledge that came before....

The Point you seem to have missed by not going back and read the posts in context is that I was not saying religious folks sit around naval gazing in a quest for Happy... You use science in your everyday life and take it for granted as you enjoy your life of religion... So I was pointing out when someone wants to tell me it's sad when I find joy and Know it's mainly due to Science and that I should find joy and happiness in all this delusional religious crap, they are just your normal hypocrite and not intellectually honest enough to even consider what their Joy would be without that taken for granted science...

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That's your opinion. Mine is different because I have experienced it for myself many times. Consider it a delusion if you want, it makes no difference what others think.
What I stated was not opinion.

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<quoted text>Interesting answer, you may be capable of seeing reality as yet. What I do in a graveyard at night is search for ghosts. Why? Because I am a skeptic and want to find something substantial to all claims. I seek the evidence, I don't wait for it to be handed to me, that's the difference, that's the leap you must make to understand why you have been sold snake oil, and why you ignore evidence that contradicts it. Most of us atheists are agnostic atheists, in spite of some claiming to be certain, when pressed they will admit they don't actually know for certain. But for the myths created by humans which pretend to answer the questions we can be certain, because they are self-contradictory, and nothing self-contradictory can be fact, it's impossible.

But here's the thing, the requirement to being a skeptic that most people cannot deal with, even a lot of atheists cannot deal with it so they stick with just education. A true skeptic must be willing to seek the evidence in all cases, to search it out, to find it yourself, lots of work, lots of study, and tons of exploration. You have to then actually test and analyze that evidence yourself, and discard any notion, all notions, that present no evidence as nothing more than wishful or fanciful thinking. That is required to be considered a skeptic, and something everyone should be doing in this modern age. That is what I am, wholeheartedly and completely. If you present no evidence, or the evidence you present does not withstand scrutiny of any sort, then what you claim is discarded. I recommend you try it sometime, take the Book of Mormon, find one claim about it, just one, and study all the evidence, not just what you have handed to you, but seek it out. Analyze it, it falls apart with very little scrutiny.
Do you have a spouse?

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Do you have a spouse?
Why do you present red herrings?

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<quoted text>Interesting answer, you may be capable of seeing reality as yet. What I do in a graveyard at night is search for ghosts. Why? Because I am a skeptic and want to find something substantial to all claims. I seek the evidence, I don't wait for it to be handed to me, that's the difference, that's the leap you must make to understand why you have been sold snake oil, and why you ignore evidence that contradicts it. Most of us atheists are agnostic atheists, in spite of some claiming to be certain, when pressed they will admit they don't actually know for certain. But for the myths created by humans which pretend to answer the questions we can be certain, because they are self-contradictory, and nothing self-contradictory can be fact, it's impossible.

But here's the thing, the requirement to being a skeptic that most people cannot deal with, even a lot of atheists cannot deal with it so they stick with just education. A true skeptic must be willing to seek the evidence in all cases, to search it out, to find it yourself, lots of work, lots of study, and tons of exploration. You have to then actually test and analyze that evidence yourself, and discard any notion, all notions, that present no evidence as nothing more than wishful or fanciful thinking. That is required to be considered a skeptic, and something everyone should be doing in this modern age. That is what I am, wholeheartedly and completely. If you present no evidence, or the evidence you present does not withstand scrutiny of any sort, then what you claim is discarded. I recommend you try it sometime, take the Book of Mormon, find one claim about it, just one, and study all the evidence, not just what you have handed to you, but seek it out. Analyze it, it falls apart with very little scrutiny.
What answer did you expect?

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<quoted text>What I stated was not opinion.
Yes it was, based on your lack of personal experience.

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<quoted text>Why do you present red herrings?
Just wondering if your skepticism applies in your relationships.

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Yes it was, based on your lack of personal experience.
Now you presume way too much.

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Just wondering if your skepticism applies in your relationships.
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, does it. Thus, it is a red herring. I am a skeptic in all things, that is all that is important in the matter.
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That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, does it. Thus, it is a red herring. I am a skeptic in all things, that is all that is important in the matter.
Thus, it is not actually an " Ignoratio Elenchi ".

Exposure:

Logical relevance is itself a vague and ambiguous notion. It is ambiguous in that different types of reasoning involve distinct types of relevance. It is vague in that there is little agreement among logicians about even deductive relevance, with logicians divided into different camps, so-called "relevance" logicians arguing for a more restrictive notion of logical relevance than so-called "classical" logicians.

Another ambiguity of the term "relevance" is that logical relevance can be confused with psychological relevance. The fact that two ideas are logically related may be one reason why one makes you think of the other, but there are other reasons, and the stream of consciousness often includes associations between ideas that are not at all logically related. Moreover, not all logical relations are obvious, so that a logical relationship may not cause a psychological relationship at all.

Because it is the most general fallacy of irrelevance, most fallacious arguments will be identified as some more specific type of irrelevancy.
How stupid can you be

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<quoted text>The child is taught the concept of god, it is not born in him. Of someone other than the parent is teaching him, then it is possible but rare that the child could convince the parent of a god.
Either way, no magic or holy ghosts needed.
No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
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if any one has a minute, christian or not, this will give you something to think about

http://www.intouch.org/broadcast/The_Courage_...
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How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
It's pretty obvious you have never watched small children at play.
A young child has no conscience... evidenced by "MY toy!," I"M hungry!,"
"I want!"
Consideration for others, sharing and empathy are TAUGHT.

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No,the Bible is very objective about Jesus.It states the truth about him,something you are unable to understand or accept
The Bible provides one with the instructions as to how one will come to know God and Jesus Christ.
In order to come to that Knowledge,you have to follow the instructions contained therein,not make up your own.
You and others have refused to follow those instructions,and you know what they are,because you have read them.
So,to claim that ,God does not exist,when you have failed to follow the instructions that will lead to his revealing himself to you,is illogical..
The path you have chosen to take,leads you away from the answer,not closer.
It's like,when one buys a product that comes with instructions as to how it should be assembled,and
one refuses to follow the instructions.
Well, when the product does not work,one can not blame the manufacturer,one must blame himself ,for not following the instructions that the manufacturer provided.
And,to go back and tell the manufacturer that you refuse to follow the instructions he provided,is an emotional response,certainly,not a logical one.
Like you said"You don't care what the Bible says".Therefore your conclusion that it is inaccurate is based on your opinion,not on your having tested it's validity,by following the instructions it contains.
Which,in turrn,makes your conclusions invalid,since it is based on your opinion,not on facts.
Why don't you follow gods instructions in the Koran?

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How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
So if you live in the Middle East the chances are at least 80% that your conscience leads you to Islam? Same for India and Hinduism and Israel for Judaism?
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Thus, it is not actually an " Ignoratio Elenchi ".
Exposure:
Logical relevance is itself a vague and ambiguous notion. It is ambiguous in that different types of reasoning involve distinct types of relevance. It is vague in that there is little agreement among logicians about even deductive relevance, with logicians divided into different camps, so-called "relevance" logicians arguing for a more restrictive notion of logical relevance than so-called "classical" logicians.
Another ambiguity of the term "relevance" is that logical relevance can be confused with psychological relevance. The fact that two ideas are logically related may be one reason why one makes you think of the other, but there are other reasons, and the stream of consciousness often includes associations between ideas that are not at all logically related. Moreover, not all logical relations are obvious, so that a logical relationship may not cause a psychological relationship at all.
Because it is the most general fallacy of irrelevance, most fallacious arguments will be identified as some more specific type of irrelevancy.
well this was boring as hell.what did it say?

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