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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 153765 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#102888 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>No please, this is fascinating. I await to hear why it matters what we did before we were born if we have zero knowledge of it? Do you keep avoiding my questions because your feelings are hurt or because you have no good answers?
I wasn't aware that I was avoiding any questions. I seem to post more than anyone else. To the point it probably annoys 90% of the audience.

Ok. Lets start over.
We are sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father. We lived with Him before coming here. We learned talents, developed personalities, etc. If you have more than 1 child, this would explain why they have completely different personalities that are noticeable all the way back to birth.
Just as puppies grow up to be dogs and kittens grow up to be cats, we are meant to grow up to be like Him.
So He developed a plan for this progression to continue. We could only progress so far without gaining a physical body. And we needed to learn things on our own too. So He told us of His plan: we will come to earth and gain a physical body. We will have our faith in Him tested by a veil over our remembrance of our time with Him. We would have freedom to chose our actions. Out of His presence, He knew sin would eventually enter the equation and then we would not be able to return home to live with Him. So a savior would be necessary to atone for those sins against righteousness. Jesus said to send Him. He would atone for those sins and make it possible to return and glorify God. He would let us have our free agency and thus realizing some may choose poorly.
Lucifer said to send him and he would strip is of free agency and force us to choose good. Then no one would be lost to sin. But since he would make this happen, he wanted the glory for himself and to dethrone the Father. This was the war in heaven as described in Revelations.
The Father chose the first and Lucifer rebelled. Many liked the idea that none would be lost so they sided with Lucifer. They rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven and lost their first estate.
You are here today because you chose to not follow Lucifer. Whether you actively chose Jesus, or you were a fence sitter, you are here and gained a physical body (which Lucifer and his angels will never have - which is why they are sometimes called angels, having no body). The second purpose continues: the test of faith. Will we gain the second estate? Eternity in God's Kingdom.
This is why it matters that we existed before here.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102889 May 8, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's say that Charles Manson has a rabid fan club and they write the story of his life. Would you read that book and assume it is all literally true or would you take it with a grain of salt?
The authors of the New Testament were trying to establish a religion based on the life of a man. Treating their words as gospel (pun intended) would be a tremendous fallacy.
When the source of information has a strong chance of being overtly biased you need to seek evidence outside that source. I'm not saying the Bible is wrong, I'm saying the Bible is biased to the utmost degree.
Your reply to me is to just reiterate your faith. I have no use for faith in a debate about reality.
Show me your evidence, not your beliefs.
Let's say that Charles Manson has a rabid fan club and they write the story of his life. Would you read that book and assume it is all literally true or would you take it with a grain of salt?

When I was a non believer,I most assuredly took it with more than a grain of salt. I did not want to hear about it,period.
But let's look at this fanclub,as you call it.
They spent about 3 years with Jesus and witnessed his works.He had told them about his upcomind death.
They had stated that they were willing to die with him..
But,when Jesus was arrested,they quickly ran away,Peter denied him. After Jesus was buried and his tomb was found to be empty and were told by Mary Magdalene that she had seen him,that he had risen,they did not believe her.
So,one needs to ask the question,If one does not believe that Jesus rose from the dead,why would one insist in preaching that he has?What would be the purpose?What price are you going to pay,for preaching something you believe to be a lie?Persecution by those who are in power,jailed and flogged.
Do you stand to make a financial gain?
But,if Jesus did rise from the dead,as they so ardently believed,that he was the son of God,then one would have a very legitimate reason for standing before the powers that be,and preach that which has been proven to you,by Him who made those claims.
One may be willing to die or suffer for what one believes to be true,but,one is not willing to die or suffer for that which one knows to be a lie.
Paul,whose trials and tribulations ,I am sure you are familiar with made a statement that had a tremendous impact on me
"
1 Corinthians 15:13-20
13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people MOST TO BE PITIED

Let me ask you this,What scientific evidence would YOU require,in order to believe in God?

What if the evidence you required was not sufficient to convince others? Then what?

And let us keep in mind,that Science,by it's very definition ,does not have the tools to provide such evidence.

I believe you,when you say that you want evidence,but,it appears to me that,you are looking in the wrong places for your answer

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#102890 May 8, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Why? Why are believers more blessed? Why is believing without seeing rewarded?
Most claims that cannot be shown with evidence are not a good thing to blindly accept. But for some reason religion claims blindly accepting is a good trait to have.
None here has shown any logic to this point.
Refer to my most previous post
DragonFly

United States

#102891 May 8, 2013
Because you fail to understand something does not mean it has no logic, it only means that you do not understand the logic in it. The reason that you fail to understand the logic is because you reject the notion that it could even be true so it's easier to reject the logic. Kinda like the people who thought the earth was flat back in Columbus's day. To them, it was illogical that the earth could actually be round. Wonder how they felt after Columbus didn't fall off the "edge of the earth"?
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>But why would it matter if it was a priesthood lineage? Point is, blood lines should not matter. It has no logic and you continually fail to even try to show the logic.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102892 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Well to me, to get to our current state from blobs of matter would require an intelligent plan.
Only because you do not know the science that is known of their formation.... Like a tadpole in a puddle... to the tadpole that does not know what the puddle was like before it was born in it, and not knowing what the puddle will be long after it's gone from it, the puddle seems perfect with all things in balance and made for the tadpoles existence in it... He doesn't know of when it was a dry lifeless depression in the seldom used road, he doesn't know of the car heading his way in a day or so... So when the tadpole observes his perfect watery universe he Knows that something had to make it so perfect....

You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period that lasted for millions of years where the earth was a red hot molten ball of lava being hit constantly by large hunks of rocks and ice... with a moon so close that there was tsunamis of red hot lava a mile high every 6 hours as the moon that filled a 1/4 of the sky passed by during the 6 hour night... All the while the poison gases around our puddle was being irradiated by solar charged particles hitting it without the protections of the Ozone layers...

You see the Puddle you are surrounded by and say the blobs are like clockworks never considering the view is only a 1/10,000th of a second view of the puddle....

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#102893 May 8, 2013
Farkus wrote:
Gen. 25:1 "Then Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah."

1 Chron. 1:32 "Keturah, Abraham's concubine."

SO, WHICH was it (wife or concubine) you Christian Bible Scholars? WHICH?

This is simply ONE of hundreds of contradictions in the comic book that YOU say is the Word of God.

SILLY PEOPLE!

AND no I don't expect an answer, but thanks for playing!!
Concubine was like a secondary wife then. Their caste system was different than ours today. So there were women of higher standing that would be called a wife, and the lower to be called a concubine. But indeed they were like a secondary wife. So a loose synonym does not represent a contradiction.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102894 May 8, 2013
LEGIONS wrote:
<quoted text>Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. I think it is evil to condemn homosexuality.
What Christian person is condemming the homosexual...I don't condemn the homosexual, I condemn the act itself as I don't condemn the murderer, but the act of murder,as I don't condemn the abuser but the act of abuse. These are all sins that can be forgiven in the eyes of the Lord, we as Christians love the sinner but hate the sin.
Murder is an act of abuse, homosexual acts are not. This is why you condemning it has no validity or value. It is simply your superstitious belief it is bad.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102895 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many things in the OT that are no longer valid. I know you have heard this. If so, this is considered baiting. If not, I'll be happy to talk to about the difference between the lesser law and the higher law.
Yes, please tell us, and show why their is so much dispute of what laws are to be enforced or followed? Seems Christians cannot agree on them, so is the Holy Ghost failing to be consistent?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102896 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I've said before how I think God was involved. I think He commanded Jesus and Michael to gather matter and form the solar system we live in. No clue how long it took. I don't think it was days, I think it was creation periods that were described as days.
He most likely used matter from other celestial bodies that were no longer in their original state or active.
Now can you answer, instead of just asking me again?
I never saw this answer before. So how did Jesus do this? Did he use magic?
Why do you think he did not just one of the billions of solar systems that exist?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102897 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I've said before how I think God was involved. I think He commanded Jesus and Michael to gather matter and form the solar system we live in. No clue how long it took. I don't think it was days, I think it was creation periods that were described as days.
He most likely used matter from other celestial bodies that were no longer in their original state or active.
Now can you answer, instead of just asking me again?
So everyone could have fit on the boat?
Why should they have to believe some dude about a flood?
Murder is murder, warned or not. If I warn you to move out of my way and you don't, if I shoot you, it is still murder.
But of course you have double standards for god morality. He can be evil and you call it good.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102898 May 8, 2013
DragonFly wrote:
Let's say you rent a house that happens to have a storm shelter. If a tornado hits the house but you refuse to use the storm shelter, would it be the landlord's fault if you died? Was he not a "good landlord" just because you didn't use the shelter?
God gave them an out. All they had to do was obey but they refused because of their eveil hearts. If we refuse to obey traffic laws, we get a ticket. Does that make the traffic cop evil?
<quoted text>
If the landlord made the tornado, then I would blame him.
You are making a false comparison.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102899 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus would need the priesthood to be able to perform certain ordinances. Since this was handed down from father to sons, bloodline linked from a prophet to Jesus is important. It was not important for this purpose that David was a king. This was just motivation to the Jews that maybe the messiah would put things back like it was when David was in charge. This was their motivation for expecting a king that would free them from Roman rule. It was also important that John the Baptist had a lineage linked to the priesthood as well. He had the authority to baptize because he held the Levitical priesthood that had been passed down.
Understand?
No, I do not understand. You have yet to show the logic of how your bloodline gives you more or less power in a priesthood. Do Mormons have a bloodline test for the priesthood? If not, then why have different standards?
Is this blood magic or something?

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#102900 May 8, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>There "was" no "void." There "was" no "before" time.
How can so many Christians be absolutely perplexed at the concept of "no time before time, no space before space" and simultaneously insist that they understand God? It is similar to saying that they can't grasp what a null set is, but can clearly picture infinity.
Show me -4 on a yardstick that hasn't been milled from a board that hasn't been cut from a tree that hasn't been planted yet.
So was there some universe in play before that died out and this is round 2?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102901 May 8, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Refer to my most previous post
I see no connection between that post and my question.

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#102902 May 8, 2013
DragonFly wrote:
Let's say you rent a house that happens to have a storm shelter. If a tornado hits the house but you refuse to use the storm shelter, would it be the landlord's fault if you died?
<quoted text>
If the landlord (somehow) made the tornado then yes it definitely would be the landlord's fault.

What am I missing?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102903 May 8, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Only because you do not know the science that is known of their formation.... Like a tadpole in a puddle... to the tadpole that does not know what the puddle was like before it was born in it, and not knowing what the puddle will be long after it's gone from it, the puddle seems perfect with all things in balance and made for the tadpoles existence in it... He doesn't know of when it was a dry lifeless depression in the seldom used road, he doesn't know of the car heading his way in a day or so... So when the tadpole observes his perfect watery universe he Knows that something had to make it so perfect....
You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period that lasted for millions of years where the earth was a red hot molten ball of lava being hit constantly by large hunks of rocks and ice... with a moon so close that there was tsunamis of red hot lava a mile high every 6 hours as the moon that filled a 1/4 of the sky passed by during the 6 hour night... All the while the poison gases around our puddle was being irradiated by solar charged particles hitting it without the protections of the Ozone layers...
You see the Puddle you are surrounded by and say the blobs are like clockworks never considering the view is only a 1/10,000th of a second view of the puddle....
Only because you do not know the science that is known of their formation.... Like a tadpole in a puddle... to the tadpole that does not know what the puddle was like before it was born in it, and not knowing what the puddle will be long after it's gone from it, the puddle seems perfect with all things in balance and made for the tadpoles existence in it... He doesn't know of when it was a dry lifeless depression in the seldom used road, he doesn't know of the car heading his way in a day or so... So when the tadpole observes his perfect watery universe he Knows that something had to make it so perfect....
You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period that lasted for millions of years where the earth was a red hot molten ball of lava being hit constantly by large hunks of rocks and ice... with a moon so close that there was tsunamis of red hot lava a mile high every 6 hours as the moon that filled a 1/4 of the sky passed by during the 6 hour night... All the while the poison gases around our puddle was being irradiated by solar charged particles hitting it without the protections of the Ozone layers...
You see the Puddle you are surrounded by and say the blobs are like clockworks never considering the view is only a 1/10,000th of a second view of the puddle....

I don't mean to sound unimpressed,your ability to describe how a tadpole thinks,was truly amazing.
Moreover,where you state that
"You might have a different view if you were on Earth during the heavy bombardment period etcetc"
implies that,someone actually witnessed those events,as you so vividly described them,mile high tsunamis,every six hours and so on,
If they were not witnessed,what is your basis for giving such a vivid and supposedly accurate description,
Or,are you being facetious,and merely trying to entertain us....
I hope so.....I like Science fiction and was a devout fan of the Twilight Zolne

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#102904 May 8, 2013
Farkus wrote:
<quoted text>THIS is funny. I know you're not into logic, but what is the reason God created Satan?

How did Satan get into the Garden?

God created ALL and is ALL powerful and he didn't see the Devil coming? Seems he has less power than Iron Man...

One more logic comment for you: Let me see if I have it correct...Jesus is God in the flesh, so GOD sent HIMSELF to be killed for OUR sins to save US from HIMSELF.

WOW!!!
Refer to my response to Mike for where Lucifer (Satan) came from.

No Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is the Son of God. They are two different beings. God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are 3 separate beings who collectively make up the Godhead. They are one in purpose.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102905 May 8, 2013
Doll wrote:
<quoted text>Now just where would I find a devout God fearing "immortal"? Foolish question..Do you think you are never going to die or what? Yes I said it. One day God will call you out. Ready or not. The older you get the better your chance of getting "the call".
Everyone dies. The chance of that is 100% whether you are 1 or 111 and it isn't because there is or is not a god. Wistfully wishing you won't "get the call" or dreading the cold hard fact that you will isn't a reason to make believe someone's 'soul' is going to scorch in a lake of brimstone or that yours will float around on clouds and play the harp forever and ever, amen.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#102906 May 8, 2013
DragonFly wrote:
Because you fail to understand something does not mean it has no logic, it only means that you do not understand the logic in it. The reason that you fail to understand the logic is because you reject the notion that it could even be true so it's easier to reject the logic. Kinda like the people who thought the earth was flat back in Columbus's day. To them, it was illogical that the earth could actually be round. Wonder how they felt after Columbus didn't fall off the "edge of the earth"?
<quoted text>
How can I understand something when no one here has yet to even explain it?
How does the priesthood run in ones bloodline? Is the blood magic?
You guys answer questions that no one asked, while for some reason you think you are answering our questions.

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#102907 May 8, 2013
DragonFly wrote:
Because you fail to understand something does not mean it has no logic, it only means that you do not understand the logic in it. The reason that you fail to understand the logic is because you reject the notion that it could even be true so it's easier to reject the logic. Kinda like the people who thought the earth was flat back in Columbus's day. To them, it was illogical that the earth could actually be round. Wonder how they felt after Columbus didn't fall off the "edge of the earth"?
<quoted text>
They didn't think anything of it, other than "holy crap" there's a lot of land over there. Let's get it!". Everyone (pretty much) knew the world was a sphere by the time Columbus sailed.

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