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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143139 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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just me

London, KY

#102710 May 7, 2013

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#102711 May 7, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
It's pretty obvious you have never watched small children at play.
A young child has no conscience... evidenced by "MY toy!," I"M hungry!,"
"I want!"
Consideration for others, sharing and empathy are TAUGHT.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102712 May 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
No,the Bible is very objective about Jesus.It states the truth about him,something you are unable to understand or accept
The Bible provides one with the instructions as to how one will come to know God and Jesus Christ.
In order to come to that Knowledge,you have to follow the instructions contained therein,not make up your own.
You and others have refused to follow those instructions,and you know what they are,because you have read them.
So,to claim that ,God does not exist,when you have failed to follow the instructions that will lead to his revealing himself to you,is illogical..
The path you have chosen to take,leads you away from the answer,not closer.
It's like,when one buys a product that comes with instructions as to how it should be assembled,and
one refuses to follow the instructions.
Well, when the product does not work,one can not blame the manufacturer,one must blame himself ,for not following the instructions that the manufacturer provided.
And,to go back and tell the manufacturer that you refuse to follow the instructions he provided,is an emotional response,certainly,not a logical one.
Like you said"You don't care what the Bible says".Therefore your conclusion that it is inaccurate is based on your opinion,not on your having tested it's validity,by following the instructions it contains.
Which,in turrn,makes your conclusions invalid,since it is based on your opinion,not on facts.
Why don't you follow gods instructions in the Koran?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102713 May 7, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
So if you live in the Middle East the chances are at least 80% that your conscience leads you to Islam? Same for India and Hinduism and Israel for Judaism?
bored stiff

Monticello, KY

#102714 May 7, 2013
SomemightSay wrote:
<quoted text>
Thus, it is not actually an " Ignoratio Elenchi ".
Exposure:
Logical relevance is itself a vague and ambiguous notion. It is ambiguous in that different types of reasoning involve distinct types of relevance. It is vague in that there is little agreement among logicians about even deductive relevance, with logicians divided into different camps, so-called "relevance" logicians arguing for a more restrictive notion of logical relevance than so-called "classical" logicians.
Another ambiguity of the term "relevance" is that logical relevance can be confused with psychological relevance. The fact that two ideas are logically related may be one reason why one makes you think of the other, but there are other reasons, and the stream of consciousness often includes associations between ideas that are not at all logically related. Moreover, not all logical relations are obvious, so that a logical relationship may not cause a psychological relationship at all.
Because it is the most general fallacy of irrelevance, most fallacious arguments will be identified as some more specific type of irrelevancy.
well this was boring as hell.what did it say?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102715 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
In this case, like it or not, science cannot tell us what happens after death. All it can say is that brain activity stops. So the claims that Jesus made cannot be tested until after you die. If I am right, couldn't you imagine the reactions of all those that suddenly realize they were wrong about there being no afterlife? If I'm wrong, there will be no one there telling me "I tried to tell you".
Anyway, I do not discount what science can tell us or provide for us, but in this case, it remains silent.
Why do you care so much about how we would react if we died and found actual evidence a god or afterlife was real? How would you react if you died and found out Jesus was not a deity but Mohammed was? Would it matter either way? If no one has evidence then no one should be expected to know or believe. Yet you and all religions claim we must. This leads me to think you and all religions are wrong.
I thrust logic.
so dumb

Monticello, KY

#102716 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text> Why don't you follow gods instructions in the Koran?
cause it aint in there idiot!!!!!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102717 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we are plainly told that God requires faith. With proof, there is no room for faith. So on a wide scale, it does not surprise me that there is no proof of God. But to individuals that turn their thoughts to God and follow His commandments, we are able to see evidence in many things that non-believers will not be privileged to experience.
So gods test is to see what persons believe in stuff that has no evidence of reality? So maybe I should believe in unicorns?
Sorry but I trust logic over commands such as this. It is just a propaganda tactic to trick people into belief systems.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102718 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text> Why don't you follow gods instructions in the Koran?
My God has already revealed himself to me,by my following his instructions and has proven to me that I can believe in him and trust him,,,,,Whw would I waste my time searching for something I have already found?Seems to me, that would be illogical.

On the other hand,if I kept searching for somthing I thought I would not be able to find,in the hope that I would find it,that,to me,is not illogical,that is being persistent...
Be persistent in prayer SEEK and you will find....

“There's more than one religion”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#102719 May 7, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
It's pretty obvious you have never watched small children at play.
A young child has no conscience... evidenced by "MY toy!," I"M hungry!,"
"I want!"
Consideration for others, sharing and empathy are TAUGHT.
Amen!

And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.

And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.

If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102720 May 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That has nothing to do with the topic at hand, does it. Thus, it is a red herring. I am a skeptic in all things, that is all that is important in the matter.
I didn't say it was on topic. I was just curious.
You have a different way of seeing the world. I wanted to know how it applies to other things, that's all.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102721 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you care so much about how we would react if we died and found actual evidence a god or afterlife was real? How would you react if you died and found out Jesus was not a deity but Mohammed was? Would it matter either way? If no one has evidence then no one should be expected to know or believe. Yet you and all religions claim we must. This leads me to think you and all religions are wrong.
I thrust logic.
It's just an interesting thought, as is the one you pose.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102722 May 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So gods test is to see what persons believe in stuff that has no evidence of reality? So maybe I should believe in unicorns?
Sorry but I trust logic over commands such as this. It is just a propaganda tactic to trick people into belief systems.
If you think unicorns can offer you anything beyond this life, or had anything to do with creating you and all that you see, go for it.
But I really think you are making a bad correlation because the only thing that unicorns and God have in common is that you don't believe in either. Almost 100% of every person that has walked this earth has wondered if there was a creator. I doubt you could say much of the population has wondered if there were really unicorns.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#102723 May 7, 2013
If you want to learn science, math or literature, read a text book. If you want to learn morality, read the bible.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102724 May 7, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys keep moving the goal post and missing the point.... The Original question was about being happy and did science have anything to do with it... it was not about stuff making one happy... A Harley does not make me happy.. but riding around checking out the country side and enjoying the day with the wind in whats left of my hair indeed makes me happy, feels me with joy... There are Lots of stuff that makes me happy and fills me with joy... And I get to Enjoy them due to Science.... Happiness is a Choice... And you guys that want to sit around and thank some invisible guy in the sky for your happiness are being Intellectually Dishonest because in order for you to be happy sitting and having the time to be happy is because long ago Science came along and over time has allowed you the ability to sit around and naval gaze.... Without Science you would be spending your every waking hour digging roots and tubers to feed yourself or hiding from stuff that would end your short 40 years long life.... At night your dung covered hut would be your hidey hole from others and wild things that would love to snack on you pieces parts.... Could you still find a few fleeting moments to be happy and joyful, of course you could... But only if you had not known what science could provide in the first place.... But the Question was asked of Me Now... And I'm intellectually honest enough to know that if Science were gone tomorrow Happiness and Joy would be the last thing on my mind... I would be spending my time trying to Repeat Science so I could make the things I could to help feed me and my family and defend us from the roving gangs of B'Levers that would be trying to take my crap....
As you have stated,Science has provided us with things that we can enjoy and to improve our quality of life.
Science has also provided us with things that can quickly change our quality of life into a horrible experience
Guns,weapons of mass destruction,misuse of those things that are meant to give us pleasure, drug abuse etc.etc.,
So,in the natural world,where science is intended to operate,it has created both good and bad things.
And those things that Science has created, we use and acquire them, based on our human nature.
In many cases we "countries ,groups and Individuals',acquire and use these inventions,not only to our detriment,but to the defriment of others.
Their motives for acquiring and using these inventions in a reckless manner, are often based on selfishness,greed,hatred,arrog ance,lack of compassion and other defects that are part of our human nature.
What Scientific Experiments and human knowledge are unable to do,is, create within us,a desire to use those inventions in a manner that is not only,detrimental to ourselves,but also to others

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102725 May 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So when did "space time" begin, and how?
About 13.77 billion years before God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Yhwh/Allah/ Vishnu/Mbombo/Elohim/et al. were invented. By non-theistic events.
so true

Franklin, KY

#102726 May 7, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It is born in him/her... it's called a conscience!
Knowing right from wrong, and not caring... that's from the fall!
All lil sinners NEEDING redemption!
Like a backup warning. sometimes the bulb gets shot and we dont hear or see it ... Good Day to you all

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102727 May 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
As you have stated,Science has provided us with things that we can enjoy and to improve our quality of life.
Science has also provided us with things that can quickly change our quality of life into a horrible experience
Guns,weapons of mass destruction,misuse of those things that are meant to give us pleasure, drug abuse etc.etc.,
So,in the natural world,where science is intended to operate,it has created both good and bad things.
And those things that Science has created, we use and acquire them, based on our human nature.
In many cases we "countries ,groups and Individuals',acquire and use these inventions,not only to our detriment,but to the defriment of others.
Their motives for acquiring and using these inventions in a reckless manner, are often based on selfishness,greed,hatred,arrog ance,lack of compassion and other defects that are part of our human nature.
What Scientific Experiments and human knowledge are unable to do,is, create within us,a desire to use those inventions in a manner that is not only,detrimental to ourselves,but also to others
Science and religion are both amoral. A bucket of water can be the source of safety, danger, levity or malice... it can as easily save someone's life or kill them. It isn't the thing that decides its usage.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102728 May 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>About 13.77 billion years before God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Yhwh/Allah/ Vishnu/Mbombo/Elohim/et al. were invented. By non-theistic events.
Great sarcastic answer with no value. Do you have a real answer that science with evidence has provided?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102729 May 7, 2013
Apple At Cha wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen!
And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.
And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.
If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy.
1) And one doesn't need religion to teach one right from wrong. If one doesn't know right from wrong, one lacks empathy - not religion.

I believe you are missing the mark,it is not a question of knowing right from wrong.
The question is,when we are about to commit a wrongful act, and, we know it is wrong,why do we go ahead and commit it anyway?
When we steal,we know it is wrong,yet we do it anyway
When we lie,we know it is wrong,we do it anyway
And the list goes on....
That is because our human nature is flawed. So we know right from wrong,but,are unable to do that which is right.
If we were able ,on our own,to correct the many flaws we have,we would do so.

2) And if one needs offer of a celestial prize in order to be good, they are selfish and will never truly be selfless.

Your allegation is false,based on your misunderstanding of Scripture. You do not attain heaven by being good....If you have read there bible,then you would know that what you are alleging is false.
Most assuredly it is not based on the Teachings Of Christ,which is what we base our beliefs on.

If they need threat of eternal damnation, they are just as self-serving - as their "good acts" are only to keep their tail from the fire and not out of a true spirit of empathy

All that you have stated,is based on your opinion,which is based on your misinterpretation of that which is written is the Scriptures.
Therefore,since the foundation of your conclusions is false,that same can be said of your conclusions

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