Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

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#102530 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
1)It matters because,The Pharisees,Saducees ,the lawyers and the Scribes were the supposed experts in interpreting Scriptures
When Jesus made his claims,if those claims were inaccurate,
they would have been able to cite the Scriptures in order to demonstrate that Jesus was lying.
But ,they did not.
When Jesus challenged them,they refused to answer
Luke 20:1-26
20 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,
2 And spake unto him, saying, Tell us, by what authority doest thou these things? or who is he that gave thee this authority?
3 And he answered and said unto them, I will also ask you one thing; and answer me:
4 The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?
5 And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then believed ye him not?
6 But and if we say, Of men; all the people will stone us: for they be persuaded that John was a prophet.
7 And they answered, that they could not tell whence it was.
8 And Jesus said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things
Now, in Malachi ,it is prophesied and they would be familiar with this passage;
3 “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you DESIRE, will come,” says the Lord Almighty
At no time did the Pharisees,the Scribes,Chief priests or anyone else
challenge Jesus's claims that the Scriptures applied to him
Unable to do so,and refusing to believe,they were frustrated;19 So the Pharisees said to one another,“You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.”
and made plans to kill him
mark14;1It was now two days before the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. And the chief priests and the scribes were seeking how to arrest him by stealth and kill him,
I fail to see any relationship between the issue being discussed and your injecting Sally Brown and the treat ment of Christians into this discussion ,as it has nothing to do with the inability of Jesus's adversaries to prove that he was wrong in claiming to be who he said he was.
Stick to the topic and don't try to change it
So because the bible CLAIMS that the Pharisees did not answer one question that Jesus asked, this means the whole of the prophesies of their holy book has been proved falsely interpreted?

Note I highlight the word CLAIM. I do this because you are giving us a one sided story.

None of this shows Jews on the whole are falsely interpreting their holy books. And why would you judge all Jews based upon a few claims of a few Jews?

Not to mention, the question Jesus asked could be applied to any man making a claim to be the messenger.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#102531 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent explanation. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Three questions come to mind/
1. What triggered the Big Bang?
2. Where did all the original matter come from?
3. How would objects be able to pass by each other or be close enough to collect? If everything exploded, wouldn't all the parts be traveling away from each other in infinite directions?
1.. Probability... No trigger required... The Only laws that apply to a Unified Quantum of Energy without matter is Probability and Uncertainty... The Unified Quantum of Energy (UQE) had the probability of converting some, all or none of it's energy into matter, or not.. Uncertainty means that we being an intrinsic component of that conversion we can know energy state or position but never both simultaneously...

2. E=MC2 or M=E/C2... A Unified Quantum of energy can convert some, most or All of it's energy into Matter... And Matter can convert into energy... Absent Matter all physical laws and rules we use fail because all physical laws we know are based on Matter with inertial mass in relative motion to other matter with inertial mass...

3. No... During any explosive event in local areas particulate collide and may not follow ballistic trajectories but in the case of the BB it's not like a Explosion as we know it.. because the actually fabric is expanding and the (UGC) Universal Gravitational Constant reduces as the universe expands.. So Generally all matter is moving away from other matter at an ever increasing rate but Due to the gravitational effects local massive objects will move closer together and interact... All Matter is Connected to all other matter no matter the separation distance by the remainder of the UQE that did not convert into matter... and acts as a Inverse tensor between all matter causing the effect we call gravity...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102532 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>When the majority of your countrymen believe in a deity and so many of them make demands based upon the deity, it stands to reason the non believers would talk about it a lot. But believe it or not, many atheists do not talk about it much. But of course you ignore this fact entirely.
This thread is about a demand based upon your deity, thus my point has some basis.
There may vey well be some basis to your point,but those like you,who have so much faith in Science,should not readily dismiss the Scientific explanation which can easily be applied to your condition

“Breaking the spell ”

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#102533 May 5, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe you,because I find it hard to logic, that any such "expert" would even surmise such a claim. Mostly because it even simple common sense would bare reason to think otherwise.
cite your sources plz, because I think there's not enough paper towels to wipe that kind of caca up with.
Desert Winds
Near the ground, wind direction is affected by friction and by changes in topography. Winds may be seasonal, sporadic, or daily. They range from gentle breezes to violent gusts at speeds greater than 300 kilometers/hour.
Low pressure in the Persian Gulf generates regular wind patterns in the Middle East, with the prevailing winds blowing from north to south. Saudi Arabia can get very windy and experience nasty sandstorms, particularly in the spring and summer. The shamal and sharqi winds blows from northwest through the Tigris and Euphrates Valley from March until September. These winds bring cool weather and can reach speeds of 60mph and kick up fierce sandstorms. In September, the humid “date wind” blows off the Persian Gulf and ripens the date crop.
The Khamsin is a hot, dusty, wind associated with North Africa that sometimes reaches Saudi Arabia. It blows up from the south during the summer. Sometimes beginning as early as April, it lasts for two or three days and is strong enough to kick up huge clouds of dust and sand and damage vegetation.
Etesian is an eastern Mediterranean summer that blows from the north towards the Sahara and from the Near East highlands towards the sea. It is also called a Meltemi . Sometimes sandstorms suddenly whip up, particular in khamsin season, shutting down flights, reducing visibility to near zero and sometimes killing people. These are often accompanied by thunderstorms or sinoons (hot sand-laden storms).
Whether the prediction of evidence being likely or not is not the point. Fact is, their is no evidence of so many of these claims in the bible and many evidences contradict the claims.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#102534 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
There may vey well be some basis to your point,but those like you,who have so much faith in Science,should not readily dismiss the Scientific explanation which can easily be applied to your condition
I missed the part when you supplied a scientific explanation?

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Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102535 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
The basis for the arguments I've seen here regarding the non-existence of God are fundamentally flawed.
You people are the only "fundamentally flawed" ones, stupid. I see nobody arguing that we can say that God does not exist. I only people correctly stating that one can reject your claim that he does exist. It is unsubstantiated. You don't understand logic or science. If you did, you wouldn't make the stupid argument you just did.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102536 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>All we have is a one sided tale of the story anyway, so if the claims of the bible are the only ones "curious" is going by, then of course he cannot know what the Jews actually said, did or thought.
Just seems strange to me that the stories of the Jews told of this deity coming and the deity could not convince them that he was the one. It is as if he was not powerful enough to convince them.
It is as if Jesus was just like another David Koresh of his time.
I see you are planning your excuses ,before you've seen my response.
If facts are provided,you will arbitrarily dismiss them.
True objectivity at it's worse.
That is to be expected
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102537 May 5, 2013
Faith is taking the first step,
even when you don't see the whole staircase.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102538 May 5, 2013
and you don't understand Faith ;)

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102539 May 5, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe you,because I find it hard to logic, that any such "expert" would even surmise such a claim. Mostly because it even simple common sense would bare reason to think otherwise.
cite your sources plz, because I think there's not enough paper towels to wipe that kind of caca up with.
Desert Winds
Near the ground, wind direction is affected by friction and by changes in topography. Winds may be seasonal, sporadic, or daily. They range from gentle breezes to violent gusts at speeds greater than 300 kilometers/hour.
Low pressure in the Persian Gulf generates regular wind patterns in the Middle East, with the prevailing winds blowing from north to south. Saudi Arabia can get very windy and experience nasty sandstorms, particularly in the spring and summer. The shamal and sharqi winds blows from northwest through the Tigris and Euphrates Valley from March until September. These winds bring cool weather and can reach speeds of 60mph and kick up fierce sandstorms. In September, the humid “date wind” blows off the Persian Gulf and ripens the date crop.
The Khamsin is a hot, dusty, wind associated with North Africa that sometimes reaches Saudi Arabia. It blows up from the south during the summer. Sometimes beginning as early as April, it lasts for two or three days and is strong enough to kick up huge clouds of dust and sand and damage vegetation.
Etesian is an eastern Mediterranean summer that blows from the north towards the Sahara and from the Near East highlands towards the sea. It is also called a Meltemi . Sometimes sandstorms suddenly whip up, particular in khamsin season, shutting down flights, reducing visibility to near zero and sometimes killing people. These are often accompanied by thunderstorms or sinoons (hot sand-laden storms).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T he_Exodus#How_the_story_was_wr itten
There is archaeological evidence that the origins of Israel were in fact largely Canaanite, leaving, in the words of archaeologist William Dever, "no room for an Exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness."[4] The modern scholarly consensus is that the story is best seen as theology instead of history, illustrating how Yahweh acted to save and strengthen his chosen people.[5]

A common hypothesis among biblical scholars today is that the first major comprehensive draft of the exodus story was composed in the late 7th or the 6th century BCE and later expanded into a work very like the one we have now.[13] There are currently a number of competing theories on the composition of the four books Exodus-Leviticus-Numbers-Deute ronomy, and they can be grouped into three broad "models". The first, the documentary hypothesis, proposes that the four books (actually five - the models include Genesis) were originally four separate documents, treating the same subject (i.e. the Exodus) written at various times between the 9th and 6th centuries BCE and combined about 450 BCE. This theory dominated biblical scholarship from the late 19th century to the 1970s. The second, the "supplementary" model, had been popular before the documentary hypothesis dominated the field and has re-emerged since the 1970s. It holds that that there was a single original document which was then expanded by "supplements", again with the end product emerging around 450 BCE. The third, the "fragmentary" model, proposes that the four books were combined by a single author from a host of "fragments", meaning small texts as well as oral traditions (sagas and folk-tales), again c.450 BCE.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102540 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you are planning your excuses ,before you've seen my response.
If facts are provided,you will arbitrarily dismiss them.
True objectivity at it's worse.
That is to be expected
I was responding to a post. If you have a better explanation for why the Jews were wrong, go for it.
Are you dismissing my response before you even ask a question?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102541 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
Faith is taking the first step,
even when you don't see the whole staircase.
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Why do you not take the first step in having faith that god may not exist?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102542 May 5, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe you,because I find it hard to logic, that any such "expert" would even surmise such a claim. Mostly because it even simple common sense would bare reason to think otherwise.
cite your sources plz, because I think there's not enough paper towels to wipe that kind of caca up with.
Desert Winds
Near the ground, wind direction is affected by friction and by changes in topography. Winds may be seasonal, sporadic, or daily. They range from gentle breezes to violent gusts at speeds greater than 300 kilometers/hour.
Low pressure in the Persian Gulf generates regular wind patterns in the Middle East, with the prevailing winds blowing from north to south. Saudi Arabia can get very windy and experience nasty sandstorms, particularly in the spring and summer. The shamal and sharqi winds blows from northwest through the Tigris and Euphrates Valley from March until September. These winds bring cool weather and can reach speeds of 60mph and kick up fierce sandstorms. In September, the humid “date wind” blows off the Persian Gulf and ripens the date crop.
The Khamsin is a hot, dusty, wind associated with North Africa that sometimes reaches Saudi Arabia. It blows up from the south during the summer. Sometimes beginning as early as April, it lasts for two or three days and is strong enough to kick up huge clouds of dust and sand and damage vegetation.
Etesian is an eastern Mediterranean summer that blows from the north towards the Sahara and from the Near East highlands towards the sea. It is also called a Meltemi . Sometimes sandstorms suddenly whip up, particular in khamsin season, shutting down flights, reducing visibility to near zero and sometimes killing people. These are often accompanied by thunderstorms or sinoons (hot sand-laden storms).
Numbers and logistics

According to Exodus 12:37-38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[15] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550.[16] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[17] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[18] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[19]

No evidence has been found that indicates Egypt ever suffered such a demographic and economic catastrophe or that the Sinai desert ever hosted (or could have hosted) these millions of people and their herds.[20] Some scholars have rationalised these numbers into smaller figures, for example reading the Hebrew as "600 families" rather than 600,000 men, but all such solutions raise more problems than they solve.[21] The view of mainstream modern biblical scholarship is that the improbability of the Exodus story originates because it was written not as history, but to demonstrate God's purpose and deeds with his Chosen People, Israel.[3] Thus it seems probable that the 603,550 people delivered from Egypt (according to Numbers 1:46) is not simply a number, but a gematria (a code in which numbers represent letters or words) for bnei yisra'el kol rosh, "the children of Israel, every individual;"[22] while the number 600,000 symbolises the total destruction of the generation of Israel which left Egypt, none of whom lived to see the Promised Land.[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Numbe...

Millions of people leaving no trace for a period of forty years is a bit hard to swallow, no matter how much sand is blowing.
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102543 May 5, 2013
Because the Bible has a better track record than Hazard Ky. topix......
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102544 May 5, 2013
hope you break that spell soon,,,,, thanks for the opportunity to witness....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#102545 May 5, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe you,because I find it hard to logic, that any such "expert" would even surmise such a claim. Mostly because it even simple common sense would bare reason to think otherwise.
cite your sources plz, because I think there's not enough paper towels to wipe that kind of caca up with.
Desert Winds
Near the ground, wind direction is affected by friction and by changes in topography. Winds may be seasonal, sporadic, or daily. They range from gentle breezes to violent gusts at speeds greater than 300 kilometers/hour.
Low pressure in the Persian Gulf generates regular wind patterns in the Middle East, with the prevailing winds blowing from north to south. Saudi Arabia can get very windy and experience nasty sandstorms, particularly in the spring and summer. The shamal and sharqi winds blows from northwest through the Tigris and Euphrates Valley from March until September. These winds bring cool weather and can reach speeds of 60mph and kick up fierce sandstorms. In September, the humid “date wind” blows off the Persian Gulf and ripens the date crop.
The Khamsin is a hot, dusty, wind associated with North Africa that sometimes reaches Saudi Arabia. It blows up from the south during the summer. Sometimes beginning as early as April, it lasts for two or three days and is strong enough to kick up huge clouds of dust and sand and damage vegetation.
Etesian is an eastern Mediterranean summer that blows from the north towards the Sahara and from the Near East highlands towards the sea. It is also called a Meltemi . Sometimes sandstorms suddenly whip up, particular in khamsin season, shutting down flights, reducing visibility to near zero and sometimes killing people. These are often accompanied by thunderstorms or sinoons (hot sand-laden storms).
Archaeology

A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[3] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[4] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[24] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.[25] There is archeological evidence of the Caananite Hyksos people moving into and out of northern Egypt, though the relation of their dates to the biblical account is debated by scholars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Archa...

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#102546 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the post in question, and I cannot find a question in it.

do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The only thing I disagree with is that marriage helps someone stay monogamous. I'm not ignoring your point, I just disagree with it.
Also, I never said to deny gays the same rights. Please don't assume that is my stance.
Wrong question. That was a response to you. I'm talking about my question of how the solar system came to be, and what triggered it.

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#102547 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
There may vey well be some basis to your point,but those like you,who have so much faith in Science,should not readily dismiss the Scientific explanation which can easily be applied to your condition
Whatever sort of reasoning you are using to claim we are seeking god through topix can also then be applied to you seeking release from god through topix.

It is ok, come out of the bondage and into the freedom of the mind. Come to atheism, as evidenced by you being here, you clearly seek it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#102548 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
and you don't understand Faith ;)
You failed to explain faith.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#102549 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you are planning your excuses ,before you've seen my response.
If facts are provided,you will arbitrarily dismiss them.
True objectivity at it's worse.
That is to be expected
Just telling you my perspective of these claims.
I see you could not refute them. Well according to your standards, this means I must be correct.
Again, what you claimed happened could be applied to anyone making the claim. None of it shows Jesus was a messiah. The prophesy was so vague, anyone could claim to be the messiah and could not be proved wrong.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>All we have is a one sided tale of the story anyway, so if the claims of the bible are the only ones "curious" is going by, then of course he cannot know what the Jews actually said, did or thought.
Just seems strange to me that the stories of the Jews told of this deity coming and the deity could not convince them that he was the one. It is as if he was not powerful enough to convince them.
It is as if Jesus was just like another David Koresh of his time.

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