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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141186 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#102546 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the post in question, and I cannot find a question in it.

do whut wrote:
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The only thing I disagree with is that marriage helps someone stay monogamous. I'm not ignoring your point, I just disagree with it.
Also, I never said to deny gays the same rights. Please don't assume that is my stance.
Wrong question. That was a response to you. I'm talking about my question of how the solar system came to be, and what triggered it.

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#102547 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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There may vey well be some basis to your point,but those like you,who have so much faith in Science,should not readily dismiss the Scientific explanation which can easily be applied to your condition
Whatever sort of reasoning you are using to claim we are seeking god through topix can also then be applied to you seeking release from god through topix.

It is ok, come out of the bondage and into the freedom of the mind. Come to atheism, as evidenced by you being here, you clearly seek it.

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#102548 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
and you don't understand Faith ;)
You failed to explain faith.

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#102549 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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I see you are planning your excuses ,before you've seen my response.
If facts are provided,you will arbitrarily dismiss them.
True objectivity at it's worse.
That is to be expected
Just telling you my perspective of these claims.
I see you could not refute them. Well according to your standards, this means I must be correct.
Again, what you claimed happened could be applied to anyone making the claim. None of it shows Jesus was a messiah. The prophesy was so vague, anyone could claim to be the messiah and could not be proved wrong.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>All we have is a one sided tale of the story anyway, so if the claims of the bible are the only ones "curious" is going by, then of course he cannot know what the Jews actually said, did or thought.
Just seems strange to me that the stories of the Jews told of this deity coming and the deity could not convince them that he was the one. It is as if he was not powerful enough to convince them.
It is as if Jesus was just like another David Koresh of his time.
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102550 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You failed to explain faith.
Explaining faith isn't as simple as explaining the lack of it. It's easy for someone to say look do you see anything,,, it isn't there. Even though the air itself described as an absence is something based upon science. Faith as it relates to this discussion is not something I can explain or claimed to be capable of doing. As far as seeking atheism,,, I do serve a great and wonderful God,,, witnessing here,,, is probably going to help win more souls to Christ than witnessing among a body of like minded believers who already feel God in their hearts. I hope you have a wonderful Sunday, thanks for the discussion.

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#102551 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
The basis for the arguments I've seen here regarding the non-existence of God are fundamentally flawed. They are based upon science and quantified data. The only problem with this argument is that one nano-second prior to the discovery of this information,,, or realization,,, it didn't exist based upon your argument. Before the first manned flight,,, it was impossible even though we had seen birds in flight. Before a man landed on the moon,,, it was impossible because no man had done it. Before the first open heart surgery,,, the first transplant,,, the first... historical "scientific" accomplishment,,,, it was theory. To profess yourself as the end all of a discussion around the existence of a possibility pretty much destroys your credibility as an intellectual human being.
By your own reasoning, to claim all came without a god being impossible could also be wrong.

And I am not so sure any atheists here have claimed a god is impossible. I see no evidence god did anything, so if you expect me to believe, or a god expects me to believe, I need some evidence, not just the idea of it being possible.

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#102552 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Wrong question. That was a response to you. I'm talking about my question of how the solar system came to be, and what triggered it.
The solar system came together by the same forces that all solar systems come together, gravity.
Are you disputing gravity now?

Are you going to even attempt to answer my questions? Sure seems like you are avoiding them.
stinky toe cheese

Hindman, KY

#102553 May 5, 2013
Birds fly. Flight is possible. Even if you can't do it on your own. ;)

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#102554 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
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Explaining faith isn't as simple as explaining the lack of it. It's easy for someone to say look do you see anything,,, it isn't there. Even though the air itself described as an absence is something based upon science. Faith as it relates to this discussion is not something I can explain or claimed to be capable of doing. As far as seeking atheism,,, I do serve a great and wonderful God,,, witnessing here,,, is probably going to help win more souls to Christ than witnessing among a body of like minded believers who already feel God in their hearts. I hope you have a wonderful Sunday, thanks for the discussion.
Well air is not an absence of something. And this something can be detected in many ways. No faith needed at all. The results of the tests are consistent and available to anyone, whether they are believing in a holy ghost or not.

Air; A colorless, odorless, tasteless, gaseous mixture, mainly nitrogen (approximately 78 percent) and oxygen (approximately 21 percent) with lesser amounts of argon, carbon dioxide, hydrogen, neon, helium, and other gases.
This mixture with varying amounts of moisture and particulate matter, enveloping the earth; the atmosphere.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/air#ixzz2SRRzJOp...
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#102555 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>By your own reasoning, to claim all came without a god being impossible could also be wrong.
And I am not so sure any atheists here have claimed a god is impossible. I see no evidence god did anything, so if you expect me to believe, or a god expects me to believe, I need some evidence, not just the idea of it being possible.
Luke 4:12
And Jesus answering said unto them, "It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

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#102556 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
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Explaining faith isn't as simple as explaining the lack of it. It's easy for someone to say look do you see anything,,, it isn't there. Even though the air itself described as an absence is something based upon science. Faith as it relates to this discussion is not something I can explain or claimed to be capable of doing. As far as seeking atheism,,, I do serve a great and wonderful God,,, witnessing here,,, is probably going to help win more souls to Christ than witnessing among a body of like minded believers who already feel God in their hearts. I hope you have a wonderful Sunday, thanks for the discussion.
I see faith, as it pertains in the religious sense is a belief of something that has zero evidence. I sometimes make this more clear by calling it blind faith.
Now what I find strange is, some live their whole lives based upon the claims that are of blind faith.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102557 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So because the bible CLAIMS that the Pharisees did not answer one question that Jesus asked, this means the whole of the prophesies of their holy book has been proved falsely interpreted?
Note I highlight the word CLAIM. I do this because you are giving us a one sided story.
None of this shows Jews on the whole are falsely interpreting their holy books. And why would you judge all Jews based upon a few claims of a few Jews?
Not to mention, the question Jesus asked could be applied to any man making a claim to be the messenger.
1)So because the bible CLAIMS that the Pharisees did not answer one question that Jesus asked, this means the whole of the prophesies of their holy book has been proved falsely interpreted?

I cited one instance where they had the opportunity to prove Jesus wrong and declined to do so.

AS YOU KNOW,there are other instances,so stop trying to play your childish games.

What you are doing,in order to justify your beliefs,is ignoring the facts and attributing to me statements I never made and you know to be false.
"And why would you judge all Jews based upon a few claims of a few Jews?" That is nonsense,I have never made that claim
You do not want to believe in God and will not accept any evidence that will erode your beliefs.
I am sure that you are familiar with what took place at Jesus's trial when he went before Pontius Pilate LUKE chapter 23 and what took place when he went before the High Priest John18;19 to 25
You claim that you were once a believer,but have never stated what you believed in or the reasons for your beliefs,
Now,you claim to be an Atheist,that you have lost your faith,,
If this all be true,then you may find the answer as to why this happened by reading the Parable of the Sower and it's interpretation.

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#102559 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
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Luke 4:12
And Jesus answering said unto them, "It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
Did you have a point? I do not believe the demands of Jesus are valid. I do not have such trust in blind faith.

This passage looks to me as a perfect propaganda line that anyone who wishes you to believe in a false being needs you to obey.

I am sure any dictator or politician would love for you to follow this demand if it lead to their agenda.

The fact this is not obvious to you is what baffles my mind.

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#102560 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
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Luke 4:12
And Jesus answering said unto them, "It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
Can you change your name here or are you stuck on that one? Just the idea of stinky toe cheese makes me queasy. I can almost smell it, yuck.

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#102561 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
1st Peter: Chapter 5
6: Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
7: Casting all your care upon him: for he careth for you.
8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10:But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11: To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
All of this is perfect propaganda to trick someone into being subservient to claims that have zero evidence.

I am sure Karl Rove would love to be able to say this about Bush and people listened and believe as you do to this.

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6: Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of GEORGE BUSH, that he may exalt you in due time:
7: Casting all your care upon him: for he careth for you.
8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the JOHN KERRY, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
9: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
10:But the BUSH of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by KARL ROVE, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
11: To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen
stinky toe cheese

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#102562 May 5, 2013
Blind faith...? Oxymoron. What do you live your life based upon? Have you calculated when you will die and decompose? Which plant life will most likely feed off of your rotted remains and produce oxygen for the evolved species that will benefit from your corpse? Will that species even need oxygen? I can't be sure,,, neither can you,,, you're dead at that point. I've accepted the fact,, I don't know everything. Some people haven't.... I find that strange.

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#102563 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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1)So because the bible CLAIMS that the Pharisees did not answer one question that Jesus asked, this means the whole of the prophesies of their holy book has been proved falsely interpreted?
I cited one instance where they had the opportunity to prove Jesus wrong and declined to do so.
AS YOU KNOW,there are other instances,so stop trying to play your childish games.
What you are doing,in order to justify your beliefs,is ignoring the facts and attributing to me statements I never made and you know to be false.
"And why would you judge all Jews based upon a few claims of a few Jews?" That is nonsense,I have never made that claim
You do not want to believe in God and will not accept any evidence that will erode your beliefs.
I am sure that you are familiar with what took place at Jesus's trial when he went before Pontius Pilate LUKE chapter 23 and what took place when he went before the High Priest John18;19 to 25
You claim that you were once a believer,but have never stated what you believed in or the reasons for your beliefs,
Now,you claim to be an Atheist,that you have lost your faith,,
If this all be true,then you may find the answer as to why this happened by reading the Parable of the Sower and it's interpretation.
I am familiar with the claims your side made about the trial. I also wonder who told your side about the trial, as Jesus was the only one on your team supposedly there?
Any common man could have made the claimed statements of Jesus and not be proved wrong because the prophesy was so vague, it was not that hard to word game as Jesus did to stump the pharisees.
You see, the prophesies made no hard claims that an ordinary man could not pretend to be.

Actually I did state what I once believed. I was raised, at least in part as a Mormon. My father was a Catholic and raised me as such until my parents divorced and I was then raised by my mother. She converted to Mormonism.
I believed it because I was a kid and did not know better. I had never heard an argument against the beliefs. As I grew up, I eventually heard some arguments against them and thus I lost the faith in the religion and eventually I lost faith in the claim of god.

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#102564 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
Blind faith...? Oxymoron. What do you live your life based upon? Have you calculated when you will die and decompose? Which plant life will most likely feed off of your rotted remains and produce oxygen for the evolved species that will benefit from your corpse? Will that species even need oxygen? I can't be sure,,, neither can you,,, you're dead at that point. I've accepted the fact,, I don't know everything. Some people haven't.... I find that strange.
I base my life upon the knowledge of how humans exist and die. I use all the knowledge of my life and try to keep learning on a regular basis to improve my life here.
I understand full well I could die at any moment. I have no expectations of a life after death because their is no evidence or indication any life as I know it could continue after my brain stops functioning.
My brain is my life. When it stops working, I see no logic to the claim that I still could have thoughts.

I do think maybe I should donate my body to science. At least my death could then help the living somehow. I think burying a body when it could actually help mankind is selfish.

Just how is blind faith an oxymoron?

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#102565 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Are you telling me that suffering is based upon the country and some idea that they must all worship the same or correct deity? Do no Mormons suffer?

If your god is withholding help from good people due to the actions of others, he is not a just god.
Again, I do not forgo my logic of justice for anyone or any god. You continue to fail to supply a logical or just reason god would withhold help.
I cannot control what others worship, so why would a god? Why would he punish or withhold help for these reasons? Sorry, but the logic meter is going crazy again.
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