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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 153749 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102583 May 5, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
<quoted text> When one decides in their mind that there is no God their mind immediately switches over to a "Survival of the Fittest" mindset just as animals have. The world becomes a "kill or be killed" world to them, and just like in the Movie quote from "Lord of the Rings" which is "There is only one Lord of the Ring and he does not share power", they must then fear their god who is Death, and everyone of them that believe this way have but a short time in their minds, and for this they are miserable, and misery loves company. I pray they see the outcome of their decision before he that walks about as a roaring lion devours them.(1 Peter 5:8)
Then why are there not more of us in prison?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102584 May 5, 2013
Misty Morn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh such a novice debating the Bible you are. You should pick a a better fight. Why don't you show me where He demands we serve Him? If He demanded we serve Him believe me YOU would be serving.
Ha. What a child-like intellect. Yeah, God doesn't demand anything, right?

Mobsters that offer you "protection" don't demand anything when they want you to pay them ridiculous cuts of your income. You don't have to give them anything. You just might end up with your business burned to the ground, your legs broken, or maybe simply shot in the face, but they don't demand anything. You totally have a choice.

God doesn't demand anything when he tells you to grovel and praise him and love him more than your own family. You don't have to give him anything. You might end up being turned to salt, plagued, being murdered along with all of your people (including children), burned in sulfur for an eternity, etc., but he doesn't demand anything. You totally have a choice.
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#102585 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why are there not more of us in prison?
Because men do not seek God until there is no where else to turn, it's in our nature, and yours too. God is LOVE.

God wishes that everyone LOVE everyone, but not everyone will do this, simply because many do not know the "Will of God" and many will not do it "WHEN they know". But for those who do know and do "The Will of God" they receive Eternal LIFE. This is what the Messiah Jesus Christ came to tell Man in sum, but many did not, and do not believe Him (John 14:6);(Mathew 7:21). To follow the "Will of the Father" men would have to lay their weapons down and seek “Peace” through LOVE for one another, but many refused to do this and many still refuse to do this, so the World continues on towards Armageddon.(Revelation 16:13-16); (Mathew 10:16,17)

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102586 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Definition of DISDAIN
: a feeling of contempt for someone or something regarded as unworthy or inferior : scorn

You have demonstrated such an attitude towards science.
Only in the question of what happens after death.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102587 May 5, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are you getting this information? How do you know nobody challenged Jesus? You didn't answer that question.
Also, the analogy of psychics is related. You are claiming that people who lived before JC predicted JC. That is what psychics do. The same tricks used by Christians to make it seem like JC was foretold are the same tricks used by Sally Brown and other psychics to fool people into thinking she has magic powers.
It is directly analogous.
I have answered and will answer the question again,
Those who were supposedly very knowledgeable about the Scriptures,had the opportunity to try and discredit Jesus's claims that the Scriptures spoke of HIM, I cited you one example.
If you read the Scriptures,you will find other instances,where they could have challenged his claims and were unable to do so
They readily admitted his powers,which Jesus said came from the father.
They ,in turn,unable to cite Scriptures ,to contradict his claim,
simply attributed his powers as coming from the devil
It is all there.
That you want to look for excuses so as not to erode the basis for your beliefs,is not my problem to resolve.

At his trial,they had the perfect opportunity to disprove his claim,but never attempted to do so based on what is written in the Scriptures.
And No,,Psychics and prophets are not one and the same.
True Prophets claim they are being guided by God's spirit and their is criteria by which they can be judged.
Psychics do not make that claim and if they do,they are lying and the results will bear that out...
If someone did challenge Jesus's claims,the challenge was not based on the validity of what Scripture tell s ua about him
If you have evidence to the contrary,provide it


Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102588 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Who says they came from nothing? When you say "chance" do you consider gravity pulling rocks together over many millions of years to form a planet, "chance"?

Again, if you base the idea of god upon what you cannot know about the earth, life or the universe, I can understand why you must believe in a god. It is called, god of the gaps. You are inserting a god into a gap of knowledge.

Ancient men did not have knowledge of how rain came to be, so they formed a concept of a god making rain. Some called this god, Zeus.
Yes, this would be considered chance. As in no one is guiding the individual formations to gravitate towards each other. That would be chance.
I personally do not see how the planets in our solar system could orbit this sun so consistently for billions of years, without moving closer to the point that it is eventually consumed, or further, in which eventually life on this planet would no longer exist.
So I have a belief that God put these things in motion, and that it did not happen by chance. As always, I admit this is my belief.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102589 May 5, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
<quoted text> Because men do not seek God until there is no where else to turn, it's in our nature, and yours too. God is LOVE.
God wishes that everyone LOVE everyone, but not everyone will do this, simply because many do not know the "Will of God" and many will not do it "WHEN they know". But for those who do know and do "The Will of God" they receive Eternal LIFE. This is what the Messiah Jesus Christ came to tell Man in sum, but many did not, and do not believe Him (John 14:6);(Mathew 7:21). To follow the "Will of the Father" men would have to lay their weapons down and seek “Peace” through LOVE for one another, but many refused to do this and many still refuse to do this, so the World continues on towards Armageddon.(Revelation 16:13-16); (Mathew 10:16,17)
No true Scotsman fallacy. Do you have an answer that is not fallacious?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102590 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I suppose the Jews expected as much due to the tradition of King David and Moses doing the same. This is why Jesus supposedly had to have ties of blood relation to King David. As if the blood line held some magical power. As if a god had to impregnate someone that was a descendant of king David. Or was it Joseph that was the descendant? Well the new testament claims they both were, in order to cover that base.

See why this all sounds like a comic book to us?

Maybe if the prophesy was a bit less vague, the Jews would accept your claims. Maybe the holy ghost will not tell them until after they already believe the story?
The only correlation to bloodline is the priesthood. Blood has nothing to do with it. The priesthood was handed down from father to son by the laying on of hands. Jesus would need to be born in a family that worships God and follows God's commandments.

Yes I understand why you don't believe. Really I do. That's why I'm not insulting about it. That's why I don't threaten you with talk of sin and hell.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102591 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in the question of what happens after death.
Well, two problems, that would make your disdain for all of science because science is the tool used to discover all the answers that scientific minds rely on. Thus, if you have disdain for one thing science has discovered, you have disdain for all things science has helped us discover.

Second, science doesn't say anything about what happens after death, there is no evidence to present, thus we cannot use the tool to analyze anything, thus there is nothing for science to tell us about what happens after death other than "nothing."
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#102592 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No true Scotsman fallacy. Do you have an answer that is not fallacious?
That was the Truth.
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#102593 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, two problems, that would make your disdain for all of science because science is the tool used to discover all the answers that scientific minds rely on. Thus, if you have disdain for one thing science has discovered, you have disdain for all things science has helped us discover.
Second, science doesn't say anything about what happens after death, there is no evidence to present, thus we cannot use the tool to analyze anything, thus there is nothing for science to tell us about what happens after death other than "nothing."
You just need to watch celebrity ghost stories. lol.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102594 May 5, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
<quoted text> That was the Truth.
Fallacies are not truth.
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#102595 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Fallacies are not truth.
Not everyone that says they are Christian are really Christian. Many don't understand. Jesus did not come to do everything for us He came to show us how to live that we could receive eternal life. He said that there would be a falling away from what he taught, and that many would claim Him but would not do what he taught us to do "Love one Another as we Love ourselves" and because of this, man would eventually destroy himself because the Love of many would wax cold and they themselves would not realize it.
2 Thessalonians 2:3; Romans 16:17,18; Matthew 24:4-8; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; Acts 17:24; Acts 14:15,16; John 14:6; Matthew 7:20-23; Proverbs 1:20-33; Mark 12:30,31; John 4:23,24; 6:63; Galatians 6:7,8; Galatians 5:13,14-26; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Matthew 24:22.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102596 May 5, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
<quoted text>
Not everyone that says they are Christian are really Christian. Many don't understand. Jesus did not come to do everything for us He came to show us how to live that we could receive eternal life. He said that there would be a falling away from what he taught, and that many would claim Him but would not do what he taught us to do "Love one Another as we Love ourselves" and because of this, man would eventually destroy himself because the Love of many would wax cold and they themselves would not realize it.
2 Thessalonians 2:3; Romans 16:17,18; Matthew 24:4-8; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15; Acts 17:24; Acts 14:15,16; John 14:6; Matthew 7:20-23; Proverbs 1:20-33; Mark 12:30,31; John 4:23,24; 6:63; Galatians 6:7,8; Galatians 5:13,14-26; 1 Corinthians 1:10; Matthew 24:22.
Fallacies are not truth, and neither are mythologies. So, begs the question, where is the solid evidence supporting your assertions? Any of them.
Farkus

Louisville, KY

#102598 May 5, 2013
The easiest way to convert a person to Atheism is to make them read the entire Bible.

Just one small example for the incessant verse-posters...

Jer. 32:17,27-There is nothing too hard for thee...Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?

THEN>>>

Judges 1:19 - And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

So, which is it? All powerful or not?

You Christians do realize the authors of the Bible were bronze age men who didn't know where the sun went at night, and who still wiped their asses with their hands.

Your God chose to reveal himself as flesh (in Jesus) to desert dwelling illiterate men. Why didn't HE reveal himself to the Chinese who were far advanced at that time?

When REALLY studied, the Bible is the BEST conversion tool Atheists have. Period.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102599 May 5, 2013
Farkus wrote:
The easiest way to convert a person to Atheism is to make them read the entire Bible.
Just one small example for the incessant verse-posters...
Jer. 32:17,27-There is nothing too hard for thee...Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there anything too hard for me?
THEN>>>
Judges 1:19 - And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but COULD NOT drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
So, which is it? All powerful or not?
You Christians do realize the authors of the Bible were bronze age men who didn't know where the sun went at night, and who still wiped their asses with their hands.
Your God chose to reveal himself as flesh (in Jesus) to desert dwelling illiterate men. Why didn't HE reveal himself to the Chinese who were far advanced at that time?
When REALLY studied, the Bible is the BEST conversion tool Atheists have. Period.
Still nothing more than a fallacy from you.
Farkus

Louisville, KY

#102600 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Still nothing more than a fallacy from you.
Fallacy? Please learn more words. It (fallacy) seems to be your favorite.
Oxymoron

Glasgow, KY

#102601 May 5, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Fallacies are not truth, and neither are mythologies. So, begs the question, where is the solid evidence supporting your assertions? Any of them.
Look at the shape the world's in, how could those statements not be true?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102602 May 5, 2013
Oxymoron wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at the shape the world's in, how could those statements not be true?
Oh, this will be great for laughs, please, elaborate on what's "wrong" with the world today?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102603 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you do not base your life upon Jesus' suggestion that you turn the other cheek?
Strange that Jesus would still answer your prayers when you turn against his wishes yet billions have massive suffering and their prayers go unanswered.
Is it good that either one of you are being nasty with each other? No, but if you are claiming some moral high-ground, or trying to show your god is favoring you with magical acts, it stands to reason you are proving yourself as having a false perception.
Michael,I have never claimed the moral highground nor have I said that God is favoring me based on anything that I have done.
I am a sinner,like every one else and have absolutely no reason to boast,to claim that I am morally superior to others or to make a claim to God that he should favor me.
The responses I have received to my prayers have not been as a result of the good that I may think I have done,but,based on God's grace and my belief that Jesus paid for all the wrongs that I have committed,which by far,outweigh the good.
I don't know if you are able to understand that.
This magic,as you call it,has been a blessing to me,
It has changed me into a much better person than what I once was.
Something I could not have done based on my own efforts,much as a leopard can not change it's spots....
Knowing what I once was,when I lived according to my human nature and what I am now,going back to my old way of life would be like exchanging gold for fools gold.....
Many are those,whom,in spite of their imperfections,dare call themselves good.
Yet,when they see those same imperfections in others,they find them disgusting.

That's human nature at work

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