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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 153859 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102483 May 5, 2013
love all wrote:
I believe it would be wonderful! If you teach a child while young about God, He may stray but will always return back to him. It would teach the kids right from wrong to have faith and never give up and to always love one another.
Well yes, statistically a child will believe in whatever god, prophet or deity you teach him. 80% do stay in that belief system for life.
Now does this mean the god(s) are real? Nope.

One can be taught to do good without a god.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102484 May 5, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are you getting this idea that Jesus was not challenged?
And why would it matter?
If Sally Brown, a popular British psychic, went on TV and claimed that she predicted the Boston bombing months ago and nobody challenged her on it would that mean it was true?
What if she said in 2012 "In 2013 in the US there will be a terrorist event that causes many casualties"? Would you then say that she was a genuine psychic? Because you are believing in Jesus' foretelling based on much, much weaker evidence.
During the time that Jesus was executed and the Christian faith was beginning to evolve into existence they were constantly challenged. Hell's bells, you guys have persecution parades every day. You LOVE the idea that people are suppressing you. You look back at your own history and talk about how the Christians were constantly being persecuted.
Yet nobody challenged Jesus or his followers? F*ck's sake, they killed him didn't they?
All we have is a one sided tale of the story anyway, so if the claims of the bible are the only ones "curious" is going by, then of course he cannot know what the Jews actually said, did or thought.
Just seems strange to me that the stories of the Jews told of this deity coming and the deity could not convince them that he was the one. It is as if he was not powerful enough to convince them.
It is as if Jesus was just like another David Koresh of his time.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102485 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
That"invisible ,imaginary being"whom you claim does not Exist,is the same being that Atheists constantly talk about.
You are unable and unwilling to keep him off your mind.
Maybe Science,in which you place so much faith, has an explanation for your mental condition.
A Freudian slip;A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion
When the majority of your countrymen believe in a deity and so many of them make demands based upon the deity, it stands to reason the non believers would talk about it a lot. But believe it or not, many atheists do not talk about it much. But of course you ignore this fact entirely.

This thread is about a demand based upon your deity, thus my point has some basis.
stinky toe cheese

Ermine, KY

#102486 May 5, 2013
Farkus wrote:
OK. ANYONE? ANYONE? ANY ONE Christian want to try answering my question...
"If you have children, what would your child have to do that would make you put them in a box, pour gas on them, and light your own child on fire?
This is what YOU believe that your Sky God is capable of...and you call it LOVE!
Pathetic.
When I can't, I know I have a God that can. Who loves me and does what "man" can't understand. Attempting to justify the grace he has shown me is something I cannot do. I can only feel in my soul that it's there. I can post 5 million messages here and you may have a scientific explanation for why each is wrong.. or books that have information disclaiming the existence of a higher power. Chemical analysis that carbon dates the existence of whatever and a telescope that says my "sky god" isn't there. Consider this though,,, what separates our line of thinking,,, is Faith. If I'm blind and the sun shines,,, I still feel warm. I don't have to see the sun,,,, or the son,,, to know they are real.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102487 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well yes, statistically a child will believe in whatever god, prophet or deity you teach him. 80% do stay in that belief system for life.
Now does this mean the god(s) are real? Nope.
One can be taught to do good without a god.
yet the child might transfer the belief of god to the teacher.

where is your god now?
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102488 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well yes, statistically a child will believe in whatever god, prophet or deity you teach him. 80% do stay in that belief system for life.
Now does this mean the god(s) are real? Nope.
One can be taught to do good without a god.
good, or evil, can be subjective based on culture and often on personal opinion.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102489 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I will gladly answer your question once you have answered mine.
Can you repeat the question?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102490 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
<quoted text>
If I'm blind and the sun shines,,, I still feel warm. I don't have to see the sun,,,, or the son,,, to know they are real.
Even a blind person can gather evidence and prove that the sun exists and that it is emitting ~850mm photons that are warming their skin. But a stupid blind person can decide that his skin is warm because God made it so, and then never bother looking for the real reason.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#102491 May 5, 2013
I could not imagine living and not believing in God.
So god is real. No matter what you Atheists say and what reason and logic you show. I woke up this morning and the world was here. Who can say what disasters were stopped by god while I slept. Another day is here, the trees are green, proof god exists.

*sigh*
Misty Morn

United States

#102492 May 5, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>So true!
I wouldn't have spent 2 seconds here, let alone 2 years...
If I didn't know God is real!
Yet they spend hours a day posting garbage against something they do not know!
God Bless you :-)
I think the non believer can read, and might have fully read the Bible, but I also believe they simply lack understanding because understanding is given by the Holy Spirit which power they do not possess. The Holy Spirit guides us and teaches us all things. These people lean to their own understanding. They remain carnally minded. They will never understand nor will they ever be wise via their own vises.. To them the Word of God is folly. So actually to argue with them is futile. Proverbs 3:5 Proverbs 14:6-12.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102493 May 5, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
~850mm
Not that it matters, but massive typo. 8500nm.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#102494 May 5, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Even a blind person can gather evidence and prove that the sun exists and that it is emitting ~850mm photons that are warming their skin. But a stupid blind person can decide that his skin is warm because God made it so, and then never bother looking for the real reason.
Funny, a blind person does not bother looking.
stinky toe cheese

Ermine, KY

#102495 May 5, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
<quoted text>
When I can't, I know I have a God that can. Who loves me and does what "man" can't understand. Attempting to justify the grace he has shown me is something I cannot do. I can only feel in my soul that it's there. I can post 5 million messages here and you may have a scientific explanation for why each is wrong.. or books that have information disclaiming the existence of a higher power. Chemical analysis that carbon dates the existence of whatever and a telescope that says my "sky god" isn't there. Consider this though,,, what separates our line of thinking,,, is Faith. If I'm blind and the sun shines,,, I still feel warm. I don't have to see the sun,,,, or the son,,, to know they are real.
If you feel cold in the winter, do you think the sun no longer exists? The warmth isn't there, but you know there is still a sun. God is the same. The holy spirit is a warm day. I'm a father of one son and I can't save your soul, or his.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#102496 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Can you repeat the question?
"If god did not create everything, I guess you are saying acid did?" Or something like that.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102497 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First and again, I have made no claim their is no god. I highly doubt their is a god because their is zero evidence a god has ever existed.
Now do you doubt that rain might be due to the natural forces in our universe and without direction of a god because you do not have full evidence of just how rain could come to be?
I do not claim to be able to explain the extremely complex ways nature works. I am not a scientist.
And no one can as of yet really know how it all started, yet you sure make the claim to know, yet you cannot show.

In a nutshell, rain comes from evaporation and condensation. Science knows water exists in comets and other objects in space that came together due to gravity as the earth formed. At least this is what the evidence as of yet shows.

Now do you need to know more? Do you expect more in order to think god might not be involved with rain?
If so, then it is very understandable why you believe in a god. It is then very understandable why the ancients believed in the gods, as they have very little understanding of nature through science.
This is why gods like Zeus were attributed to rain.
This is why native Americans did rain dances. This is why human sacrifices were offered to the gods when drought came.

We know better now, or at least we should. Strangely people still pray for rain as if a god is going to change the laws of physics and nature to have it rain in a location that you wish for in certain amounts.
I believe that God put these laws in motion to create rain. And I believe that He can control the rain when needed, as Jesus showed us.
ScienceProves

Lexington, KY

#102498 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So when Moses had three thousand of his own people slaughtered for making that golden calf, that was not in the spirit of god demanding worship and to be served?
Or is it that one of the main men of your belief system is just a mass murderer?
Maybe they should've listened to start with, and fashioned mini golden goblets instead. The productivity graphs of practicality might've fared far better, and made for some great archeological digs!!!
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102499 May 5, 2013
Misty Morn wrote:
<quoted text> I think the non believer can read, and might have fully read the Bible, but I also believe they simply lack understanding because understanding is given by the Holy Spirit which power they do not possess. The Holy Spirit guides us and teaches us all things. These people lean to their own understanding. They remain carnally minded. They will never understand nor will they ever be wise via their own vises.. To them the Word of God is folly. So actually to argue with them is futile. Proverbs 3:5 Proverbs 14:6-12.
so don't ask, don't seek, don't knock?

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/...

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102500 May 5, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>yet the child might transfer the belief of god to the teacher.
where is your god now?
The child is taught the concept of god, it is not born in him. Of someone other than the parent is teaching him, then it is possible but rare that the child could convince the parent of a god.
Either way, no magic or holy ghosts needed.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102501 May 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Particles of matter with inertial mass were converted from the energy of the Quantum energy during the BB... All matter is connected to all other matter via the remaining energy the matter was converted out of.. Depending on the EM signature of particles some will tend to become close and phase lock together, some will be repelled to come close enough to phase lock with other particles and all exist in a inverse tensor field of the quantum state..

That is how basic matter self assembles into more complex molecules over time ...
http://b.pcc2.fubar.com/16/96/1186961/8570803...
http://b.pcc3.fubar.com/16/96/1186961/3048103...

Now once particles become more massive the inverse tensor produces the effect we call Gravity... the more massive particles tend to attract other massive particles and form a Texture to the Universe that would look a bit like the structure of a sponge.. it has threads of more dense regions and less dense regions.. http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/galform/millen...

When Enough matter is close the gravitational effect compresses the local matter into larger groups and at some point the gravitational force causes particle to become so pressed together they fuse and a star in born... That star causes the formation of even more complex forms of matter that are more and more massive..then at some point that star converts so much matter it collapses and tosses these more massive elements into space to again be drawn together and form another star.. as these start to form they are impacted by other large bodies and set to spinning by the kinetic forces... As the new forming star spins a disk of matter is pulled around it and the effect of gravity and electromagnetism cause the gas and material to form in specific areas dependent on the gravitational field of the star and the assorted gravitational fields of all other matter in the area... Forming planets......

Of course you can also capture a passing object and it may settle into a stable orbit... if matter happens to find itself in a position that is not stable over time it will fall into the star, other planets or be flung off into free space to be tugged at by the other trillions of gravitational effects and over time we end up with fairly stable solar systems, at least stable on a human time scale... On a Universal time scale none are stable as our solar system will fly apart and our sun will turn to a red giant and them explode tossing all the material than makes our planets into the cosmos to form new systems in the future...

Hope this helps....
Excellent explanation. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you.
Three questions come to mind/
1. What triggered the Big Bang?
2. Where did all the original matter come from?
3. How would objects be able to pass by each other or be close enough to collect? If everything exploded, wouldn't all the parts be traveling away from each other in infinite directions?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102502 May 5, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>yet the child might transfer the belief of god to the teacher.
where is your god now?
Same place he was before. Open an umbrella, go under the ladder, past the black cat near the broken mirror and when you get to the spilled salt look up on the wall for the 4 leaf clover in the up-turned horseshoe.

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