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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 179833 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102453 May 4, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Sh!t, son... you a jenius and sh!t.
http://www.uni-kiel.de/aktuell/pm/2013/2013-0...
jtse hloupy jtse debildrater

juegos mentales con mentes debiles LOL
stinky toe cheese

Ermine, KY

#102454 May 4, 2013
Farkus wrote:
So...can even ONE Christian PLEASE answer this question? JUST ONE!!!
I come on here to ask it every once in a while, but I never get an answer, just some good ole Christian name-calling and bashing.
Here goes...again:
For those of you who have children, WHAT would a child of yours have to do for you to place them in a box, pour gas on them, and then light them on fire?
You couldn't? BUT your God can! But He loves you. Now that is some funny stuff.
I can't. I serve a God that can. Thanks for pointing it out. He loves you too.
Farkus

Louisville, KY

#102455 May 4, 2013
stinky toe cheese wrote:
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I can't. I serve a God that can. Thanks for pointing it out. He loves you too.
You Sky God demands that you 'serve' him? In what capacity? Doesn't the Sky King know all past and present? Isn't the Sky God BEYOND wanting and needing? And exactly what could YOU provide that He cannot provide for himself?

And PLEASE stop with all the 'He loves me too' bullshit. Sell that somewhere else. No weak mind at THIS keyboard.
Raina

United States

#102456 May 5, 2013
Farkus wrote:
<quoted text>
You Sky God demands that you 'serve' him? In what capacity? Doesn't the Sky King know all past and present? Isn't the Sky God BEYOND wanting and needing? And exactly what could YOU provide that He cannot provide for himself?
And PLEASE stop with all the 'He loves me too' bullshit. Sell that somewhere else. No weak mind at THIS keyboard.
In no place did God say the He demands that you serve Him! When you are saved you find yourself wanting to serve Him and your life to be pleasing in His sight. He demands that all men come to repentance. The capacity He wants you to serve Him in is in doing the will of the Father. Must I explain what that is?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#102457 May 5, 2013
Schools used to teach character development, that's why they used the bible. Now, they teach the propaganda of political correctness.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#102458 May 5, 2013
How impressive.
Curious can be an idiot in more than one language.

It doesn't matter how many languages in which you can say you believe in an invisible, imaginary superbeing.
It's still foolish.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#102459 May 5, 2013
Raina wrote:
<quoted text>In no place did God say the He demands that you serve Him! When you are saved you find yourself wanting to serve Him and your life to be pleasing in His sight. He demands that all men come to repentance. The capacity He wants you to serve Him in is in doing the will of the Father. Must I explain what that is?
No, you need to explain how "in no place did God say the He demands" =
"the capacity He wants you to serve Him."

You think your invisible, imaginary friend WANTS to be served, but doesn't actually SAY it?

And here I was thinking that Christians are supposed to believe that "no man can know the mind of god."
But YOU do? Amazing...

Or maybe that came from your own little brain's imagination, along with all the rest of the religious nonsense.
love all

Pikeville, KY

#102460 May 5, 2013
I believe it would be wonderful! If you teach a child while young about God, He may stray but will always return back to him. It would teach the kids right from wrong to have faith and never give up and to always love one another.
Well Go Figure

Middlesboro, KY

#102461 May 5, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
How impressive.
Curious can be an idiot in more than one language.
It doesn't matter how many languages in which you can say you believe in an invisible, imaginary superbeing.
It's still foolish.
you seem to believe a super being would have to be visible and unimaginative.

obviously you don't believe in the multiverse theory; where things wouldn't have to operate on the same level as your understanding.

so you're a wise one who fears to go where fools tread?
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102462 May 5, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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No, you need to explain how "in no place did God say the He demands" =
"the capacity He wants you to serve Him."
You think your invisible, imaginary friend WANTS to be served, but doesn't actually SAY it?
And here I was thinking that Christians are supposed to believe that "no man can know the mind of god."
But YOU do? Amazing...
Or maybe that came from your own little brain's imagination, along with all the rest of the religious nonsense.
there are two types of beings on this planet. they work within a paradigm of neither 100% one or the other extreme but somewhere in between.

the service to all as self
and
the service only to self.

no one can know the INFINITE INTELLIGENCE. yet we still seek to understand.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102463 May 5, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Schools used to teach character development, that's why they used the bible. Now, they teach the propaganda of political correctness.
the bible is one view on an INFINITE SUBJECT.

much more can be said and thought on the matter; if you consider 30000 denominations alone.

better yet consider an infinite number of languages, or approximately 7000 current living languages.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#102464 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Disappointing, but fair enough. I thought you had some at least high level opinion of what the trigger might be.
As for all the insults that I knew you couldn't abstain from. You did said infinite amount of evidence on part of this topic. I wasn't trying to move the goalposts, I was trying to re-ask the question since no one would answer, unless you consider the trash I got as a real answer to any of these questions.
He actually answered your question pretty succinctly and as honestly as possible. Science is not religion. It does not have a book of All The Answers™ that we can flip open and interpret however it suits us.

It requires actual work.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#102465 May 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the Jews misunderstood the scriptures.
I've always liked the Steely Dan lyrics:
"I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play it wrong."
Obviously there are posters who think that atheists and agnostics misunderstand (LOL!), now you propose that "God's chosen" and the authors of the Torah didn't/don't know what they're talking about - then surely Catholics, various Orthodoxies, Baptists, Anabaptists, Presbyterians, Latter Day Saints, Jehovah Witnesses, Mennonites, Lutherans, Wesleyans, Adventists, Congregationalists, Methodists, Evangelists, Pentecostals, Anglicans, Apostolics, Calvinists, Unitarians, Quakers, Episcopalians, Amish, Messianics and assorted charismatics and apologists got "it" right?!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#102466 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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YOU WROTE
1)Jesus stands up and proclaims that he was foretold...and that is evidence to you?
That is a very simplistic way to state the events in question
On several occassions,Jesus stood before his adversaries and told them that the Scriptures testified of him.
Who were his adversaries?
They were the Pharisees,Saduccees,The Scribes and the Lawyers,supposedly well versed in Scriptures,yet,
none dared challenge the validity of his claim.
Why not?
They were familiar with his teachings and miracles. The validity of his teachings,when he accused them of having misinterpreted God's commandments,they were unable to refute.
They knew of his power,which he claimed from the Father.
They did not dispute his power,but refusing to believe,they attributed the source of his power as coming from the devil.
It,is not just that he claimed,it is the fact that,those who were in a position to invalidate his claims,were unable to do so.
2)Psychics constantly make predictions then later claim they came true. Do you also accept their words?
That is an absurd analogy. No similarity what so ever to the topic we are discussing
Where are you getting this idea that Jesus was not challenged?

And why would it matter?

If Sally Brown, a popular British psychic, went on TV and claimed that she predicted the Boston bombing months ago and nobody challenged her on it would that mean it was true?

What if she said in 2012 "In 2013 in the US there will be a terrorist event that causes many casualties"? Would you then say that she was a genuine psychic? Because you are believing in Jesus' foretelling based on much, much weaker evidence.

During the time that Jesus was executed and the Christian faith was beginning to evolve into existence they were constantly challenged. Hell's bells, you guys have persecution parades every day. You LOVE the idea that people are suppressing you. You look back at your own history and talk about how the Christians were constantly being persecuted.

Yet nobody challenged Jesus or his followers? F*ck's sake, they killed him didn't they?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#102467 May 5, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
How impressive.
Curious can be an idiot in more than one language.
It doesn't matter how many languages in which you can say you believe in an invisible, imaginary superbeing.
It's still foolish.
That"invisible ,imaginary being"whom you claim does not Exist,is the same being that Atheists constantly talk about.

You are unable and unwilling to keep him off your mind.
Maybe Science,in which you place so much faith, has an explanation for your mental condition.

A Freudian slip;A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#102468 May 5, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I suppose the Jews expected as much due to the tradition of King David and Moses doing the same. This is why Jesus supposedly had to have ties of blood relation to King David. As if the blood line held some magical power. As if a god had to impregnate someone that was a descendant of king David. Or was it Joseph that was the descendant? Well the new testament claims they both were, in order to cover that base.
See why this all sounds like a comic book to us?
Maybe if the prophesy was a bit less vague, the Jews would accept your claims. Maybe the holy ghost will not tell them until after they already believe the story?
Oh yeah, you're talking about the whole Lineage of My Fathers crossover storyline, right? That started in Jesus Christ Superhero #232 and continued in Prophecies #500 (triple sized issue!). But I thought the tie-in to the old Moses Mayhem #22 was kinda lame.

Though bagged and mint it is worth $27.22.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102469 May 5, 2013
So, my multilingual mockings have been reported/deleted, yet that nutball's stuff is still up. Interesting.

No matter. Since the rest of my stuff gets ignored and I don't feel like writing more, I'll just post some of my favorite quotes that are relevant to this topic:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

“To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.”

“Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.”

“People are stupid. They will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true.”

“There are young men and women up and down the land who happily (or unhappily) tell anyone who will listen that they don’t have an academic turn of mind, or that they aren’t lucky enough to have been blessed with a good memory, and yet can recite hundreds of pop lyrics and reel off any amount of information about footballers. Why? Because they are interested in those things. They are curious. If you are hungry for food, you are prepared to hunt high and low for it. If you are hungry for information it is the same. Information is all around us, now more than ever before in human history. You barely have to stir or incommode yourself to find things out. The only reason people do not know much is because they do not care to know. They are incurious. Incuriosity is the oddest and most foolish failing there is.”(This applies regardless of what you choose to call yourself here.)

I guess once they get home from chilling on pews and being hypocrites they can come back, read this, and fail to understand them all.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#102470 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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1) Edited for space

I had problems that I was unable to resolve and though I wished that they could be resolved,they were not,I was neither able to solve them or wish them away.
The prayer that resulted in the return of my dog;
The results did not convince ,maybe it was a coincidence..maybe not...The events that took place,TO ME,were very perplexing.
Subsequently I've had to face other problems that I could neither solve or wish away.
I turned to God again and my prayers have been answered,time after time,within the same hour when I was praying or within a day
Now God said,before they are through talking,I will answer their prayer,
I understand that to mean that,God will create a way to solve the problem as I am praying,as he understands my needs without my having to voice them;
MATT 6;7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them,
FOR YOUR FATHER knows what you need before you ask him
So,given that,I have tested God's instructions and achieved the results he said I would,my faith in him has been strengthened.
In effect,if someone keeps their word and delivers on their promise,time after time,you learn to rely and trust in that person,in this case God
I do not see him,but,I can not argue with the results,because they are there for me to see.
They are not an illusion or a figment of my imagination...They are evidence that someone,somehow,heard my prayer and answered it.
The answer did not come about as a result of wishful thinking,my emotions had nothing to do with the results,neither did my feelings..
Now,those who may not have had those experiences,may find it difficult to understand and try to explain the results ,based on what they think,not on what they know,
I base my faith based on what I know as a result of my experiences.
Anyone trying to explain these events,based on what they think,without ever having experienced them,
is not qualified to state an explanation,
If one does not understand something,then,one is not qualified to explain it
If one basis their opinion on only believing that which they want to hear and only hear what they want to believe,they are automatically disqualified,,,,That type of analysis is illogical.
Space restrictions will not allow me to answer your questions fully.
If you want to know why I believe GOd speaks to me and how he does that,let me know.I will give you an answer
PS My illiterate monkey comment is to be ignored. That was my sarcastic response to a sarcastic comment made by the now invisible and can not be found SP
I understand why you believe this is a god answering prayers, but I do not see a god, nor do I think any events are caused by god.
Now when Hindu's pray and get the same claimed results as you, does that mean their is a Hindu god also or maybe it is just a flawed perception of cause and effect?
If you think magic happens due to prayers, then of course when an event occurs that you prayed for, you might assign that cause to the god you prayed for. This happens for every religious belief ever invented.
Science can show humans have flawed perceptions at a steady rate. We take mental notes of successes 80% more often than failures. We remember the successes.
So with this in mind, it stands to reason you are dismissing the failures of your prayers at a higher rate than the failures, thus you likely feel god is in your favor.

Also it stands to reason what you pray for is something you likely work for to succeed. So your actions are also causing some of these things to happen in your favor.

I often get upset when people attribute someones good deeds to a god. The person doing the good deed is marginalized and thus might be less motivated to help in the future.

So maybe give yourself and others the credit instead of some entity that cannot actually be known to be real.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#102471 May 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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That"invisible ,imaginary being"whom you claim does not Exist,is the same being that Atheists constantly talk about.
You are unable and unwilling to keep him off your mind.
Maybe Science,in which you place so much faith, has an explanation for your mental condition.
A Freudian slip;A verbal mistake that is thought to reveal a repressed belief, thought, or emotion
I talk about Star Wars with friends quite a bit. Some days I can't get it off my mind.

Does that mean I believe in The Force and Yoda?

When we are actively discussing the question about God we pretty much have to mention God. Does that equate to belief in God? Because if it does, I'm pretty sure we're sucking at it. Y'know, trash talking the deity and all.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#102472 May 5, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
He actually answered your question pretty succinctly and as honestly as possible. Science is not religion. It does not have a book of All The Answers™ that we can flip open and interpret however it suits us.
It requires actual work.
actually the bible doesn't claim to have all the answers either.

in fact it hints that there are many other books that could be written regarding the personality jesus alone; let alone, on the subject of INFINITE INTELLIGENCE>

Ecclesiastes 12:12
And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.

John 21:25
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

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