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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 141397 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102325 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Take the word "or" out and you have a decent answer.
Can you answer the real question the same way?
It cannot be removed, because something created cannot be the result of natural processes, they are exclusive.
Just sayin

Johnson City, TN

#102326 May 3, 2013
I hate the poor Satanic Priest got banned from Topix! HeHeHe.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102327 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Well, scientific studies have produced solid theories, you would call those "answers," to how the vast number of species came into being and how evolution and natural selection played a valuable role in this happening. They have also discovered where all the heavy elements came from, we often call those "dying stars" but in reality they are not truly alive thus they don't really die, they just sort of explode, spewing their insides all over the universe and then collapsing into what we call black holes. We have learned that certain elements react to electricity in very predictable, and useful ways, which has lead us to develop technology called computers around these very useful elements. We know that viruses make you sick now. We know that the brain works on chemical reactions which produce electrical impulses. We know that emotions are chemical reactions to external stimulation.

We know a lot more, all of which would never have been known if they had just said "god dun it" and left it at that. No imaginary being instructed them to find these actual answers, no all powerful being kept these answers from them, they did it all on their own, the ones that figured all of this out. If we just accept one non-answer we will never find any real answers.
I realize all those things. But how, or which theory, do you think it all began?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102328 May 3, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If you think I have not looked for evidence, you do not understand a single post I have made here on this thread.
And you wish for me to use that same sort of faith?
1) Mike Duquette"] If you think I have not looked for evidence, you do not understand a single post I have made here on this thread.

Ok, I stand corrected

2) My statement simply showed most believers are hypocritical when they ask if I have looked for god.
Can you show I have not looked for a god?

No,I can not,I made an assumption....my bad

3) but you certainly admit not looking for certain gods and have not looked at certain claimed prophets for truth.

That is correct and,here are the reasons. Zeus is a proven myth. All that is written about him is based on mythology. Some of Mohammed's followers have committed" incredible
deeds that most of us can not even begin to comprehend" as you stated. Based on these deeds,,which were committed in the name of Allah and Mohammed's teachings,I feel no need to study their techings,

4) If real evidence of a god existed, no one would need what is known as faith to be religious

What real evidence would you require that would prove to YOU that God existed?
AND
Since we do not all think alike,What if the evidence provided to you,was not sufficient,to convince others? What happens then?

.5) From what I can tell, all claims of evidence of a god are just mind games. Anyone that understands how the mind works knows these are just games, not reality.

Can you explain that in more detail,precisely,what do you mean by "anyone who knows how the mind works,knows these are just Games

6) Anyone who can see all religions use the same mind game to claim truth can see some must be false. I am sure you claim Islam is false. I am sure the 9/11 terrorists thought they had the same sort of evidence of a god as yourself.

I don't believe so, Jesus taught forgiveness,not revenge.
Scripture Says 'Beware of false prophets,who come to you in sheep's clothing,but inwardly,they are ravenous wolves.
I take that to mean,Do they follow Christ's teachings,or do they not.By their fruits you will know them.
Not everyone that saith unto me,Lord,Lord,shall enter into the kingdom of heaven,but he that doeth the will of my father in Heaven.I am very,very careful as to whom I trust.
I test that trust ,and that trust will grow or diminish depending on the results of my testing.
My trust and faith are not based on my emotions,nor are they based on the actions or fanaticism of others

7) They trusted this evidence so much they did an incredible deed that most of us cannot even comprehend how one can do such a thing.
And you wish for me to use that same sort of faith? No,and that is not the faith I adhere to and I don't believe I've ever said that I wish that you would use that,or any other faith.

GWB

Roseville, CA

#102329 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
Wow. I'm a bit disappointed. I share my beliefs on creation, before creation, and after death and then deal with all of you making fun of me for weeks.
I ask you all how you think everything came into existence and all I get is a rash of crap about how I asked the question and how stupid I am for trying to ask it. Really?
How are your responses any better than "God dun it" (as you summarize my beliefs)?
I don't think your fight is against atheist (they don't believe god exist"). I do see that your faith is strong and others who don't think you have the true church have not called you out for your beliefs that is contrary to their own. The religious ones claim that atheist are swine and dogs that you should not waste your time with.

The bible says that they are to correct false teachings about Jesus and the bible doctrine. I do not see them swinging the sword of truth against you, they are silent.

Based on what I found you are the top watchman, other religious ones cannot debate with you and are afraid.

When teaching false bible teachings:

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

See how other Christians are weak in response to your beliefs.

2 Corinthians 11:4
You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.

Talking about religious doctrines

1 Timothy 1:3
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer.

False Christians posting here.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

Those who believe they have the truth do not have the courage to test the doctrines of others that I can see here on Topix. I'm disappointed by this. See below.

1 John 4:1 ESV

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102330 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>It cannot be removed, because something created cannot be the result of natural processes, they are exclusive.
SMH
Semantics

Replace created with formed? Can you answer then?

Geez. You guys are jumping through hoops to avoid answering a question.
AlexBirdswhistle

London, KY

#102331 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
SMH
Semantics
Replace created with formed? Can you answer then?
Geez. You guys are jumping through hoops to avoid answering a question.
What is polymorphing of the covalent process of intermolecular bonding for fitty cents?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102332 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
SMH
Semantics
Replace created with formed? Can you answer then?
Geez. You guys are jumping through hoops to avoid answering a question.
Created and formed are two different things. You are avoiding answering the question, not me.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102333 May 3, 2013
AlexBirdswhistle wrote:
<quoted text>
What is polymorphing of the covalent process of intermolecular bonding for fitty cents?
Oh wow, you dare to use words they have to look up? Shame on you!:P
NaturalH20

London, KY

#102334 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh wow, you dare to use words they have to look up? Shame on you!:P
Oh well, I had to too :-).
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102335 May 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet, here you are. Frenetically denying what you have written.
<quoted text>
Note that you can't maintain even the barest concept that Q does not believe gods exist and therefore "they/it/He" have/has no wants.
and here it is again. Your own words with no misquotes or out of context manipulations.
<quoted text>
Again, an atheist does not attribute any wants or beliefs to that which has never existed. Isn't it abundantly evident (even to yourself?) that despite all protestations otherwise, you are currently incapable of embracing such a thought - even temporarily and hypothetically? Can you say, "atrophied hippocampus?" Sure, I knew you could.
Still trying to explain the unexplainable by intentinally taking statements out of context and trying to fool people.
One can fool an Atheist into believing there is no God,but you can not fool a true believer.

HEY CHROMEHEAD,THIS IS WHAT I WROTE YOU TWIT
MY UNDERSTANDING OF what you posted,suggests to me that,you do not believe it is God's will to take the life of those who do not believe in him and that is why you believe God does not want anything to do with SD either,due to SD"S wish that they should die.

and here it is again. Your own words with no misquotes or out of context manipulations.
curious wrote:
<quoted text>"I UNDERSTAND TO MEAN that,you (Q, an atheist) believe that,although God doesn't want anything to do with Unbelievers or SD either,he does not believe unbelievers should be punished by death due to their disagreement with SD"s beliefs."

i UNDESTAND TO MEAN,implies ,that if I understood incorrectly,he has the opportunity of correcting me
Which he did not do
Anyhow,you asked" Can you say, "atrophied hippocampus"
And I ask you Do you know the meaning of Excrement Cranium?
I am sure you do....Guilty ba ass ociation
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102336 May 3, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think your fight is against atheist (they don't believe god exist"). I do see that your faith is strong and others who don't think you have the true church have not called you out for your beliefs that is contrary to their own. The religious ones claim that atheist are swine and dogs that you should not waste your time with.
The bible says that they are to correct false teachings about Jesus and the bible doctrine. I do not see them swinging the sword of truth against you, they are silent.
Based on what I found you are the top watchman, other religious ones cannot debate with you and are afraid.
When teaching false bible teachings:
Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
See how other Christians are weak in response to your beliefs.
2 Corinthians 11:4
You happily put up with whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different kind of Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.
Talking about religious doctrines
1 Timothy 1:3
As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer.
False Christians posting here.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Those who believe they have the truth do not have the courage to test the doctrines of others that I can see here on Topix. I'm disappointed by this. See below.
1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
GWB,You have completely and pleasantly surprised me with what you posted.
It's as if I was listening to someone who is very knowledgeable about the Bible,,,and I mean that as a compliment..
The reason I am surprised and confused is that you had stated that God taught us to hate,based on one of Christ's parables..


GWB

Roseville, CA

#102337 May 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
GWB,You have completely and pleasantly surprised me with what you posted.
It's as if I was listening to someone who is very knowledgeable about the Bible,,,and I mean that as a compliment..
The reason I am surprised and confused is that you had stated that God taught us to hate,based on one of Christ's parables..
Yes,not parables. See (Romans 12.9) and many other scriptures.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#102338 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Created and formed are two different things. You are avoiding answering the question, not me.
Riiiiiiight.
What question was I supposed to be answering? This isn't tipsy turvy world.

So I'm guessing you don't have an answer.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102339 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiiiiight.
What question was I supposed to be answering? This isn't tipsy turvy world.
So I'm guessing you don't have an answer.
Is a snowflake created or the result of water molecules freezing and their polarization causing the formation of crystal structures?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#102340 May 4, 2013
They hate bible study because their policy isn't built on rationality.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#102341 May 4, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>NO!
Big difference...
Jesus = Love...
MoHamMud = Cut yer head off, and blow up the pieces!
I didn't say anything about what Jesus is. I said that if you and I lived in Iran and were talking on a forum you would be trying to bring me over to Allah. So if that were the case, do you think it would be right for me to become a Muslim?

Do you understand the question? You are Christian mainly because of geography.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#102342 May 4, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidence is useless without thought. Someone else did the work for you on evolution. My point was, you are using someone else's previous thoughts to even mention evolution. Without it, you'd just do your everyday thing oblivious that there was such a thing. I say this because I know you aren't a scientist, or actively engaged in developing or testing scientific theories. But evolution wasn't the only thing I mentioned. You keep typing responses, so you are utilizing someone else's 26 letter alphabet to call me names that you didn't coin.
My point still stands that you did try to trap someone with not being able to think for themselves because they use someone else's thoughts, when you do the same.
And the funny thing is, I don't even care. I just wanted to point out that you have flaws too. It's obvious that it gets under your skin that you walked into one. Calling me stupid or a liar doesn't change that I was right. You might be able to fool a few readers, but everyone else sees it now too. Haha
Everything we say or do is most likely predicated on things we've seen or heard. Originality is on a continuous scale and some thoughts are more or less original than others.

But that has nothing to do with their veracity. We have a brain that can reason. We use that tool to evaluate what we hear and learn.

Most people who put in the time and effort to learn about evolution are compelled by the evidence and their ability to reason through it. Most people who reject evolution are, in fact, not doing that.

The very idea that belief in religion is equal in rational basis to acceptance of science is insulting to intelligence. It is not even the same kind of thought process. These are apples and oranges. You did not come to God by using reason, you came to God by emotion and a willingness to suspend your skepticism in favor of the succor of faith.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#102343 May 4, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So god does not intervene in all things? Well it looks like he is not intervening at all. He is not intervening to stop massive suffering of millions. He can fix one kids ear, but fails to stop the real massive suffering?
Sorry, but my logic meter is going crazy now. Your story just fails to show justice. It fails to show fairness. The sort of traits we look at here on earth as good traits, your god seems not not have.
Should I forgo my understanding of good and bad to justify gods lack of help?
You seem to keep expecting me to forgo logic, and expect me to blindly accept this claimed god has some reasons that humans cannot relate to. Sorry, but that is code for someone to forgo logic.
Yeah, I agree. This is one of the biggest problems in these types of discussions. There are a lot of religious folks who don't actually understand what logic is or how to use it but they have a basic instinct to BE logical. So they want their faith to be logical, rational, reasonable. And it isn't. It isn't that way by very definition.

Also, the Problem of Evil that you are talking about here is the #1 offensive reason I realized the God of the Bible cannot possibly be real. All it takes is one instance of a child being raped and murdered or suffering horribly from a lethal disease and the very idea of a loving, intervening creator is absolutely undone.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#102344 May 4, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
What you have proved,is what I've suspected,YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT you
are talking about and your brain needs to be overhauled.
Your response,will no doubt,make it into the NONSENSE HALL OF FAME.
It is well established that the 3 Stooges and Abbott and Costello
performed some of the most nonsensical comedy in the entertainment isndustry.
You make them look like Amateurs
Well, I truly appreciate the compliment. The Stooges were comedy legends and I am flattered to be counted among them.

But my point stands. What I did in that post, through comedy, was show you the thought process behind Biblical interpretation in the Ancient tradition. You want the Old Testament to predict Jesus? Find a passage in the OT that mentions something - ANYTHING - that even remotely sounds like it could work for Jesus and BAM! You got yourself a prediction.

It is the way they do it. Prince of Pop or King of Kings, doesn't matter.

I can do King Kong if you like.

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