Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#102285 May 3, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
You really don't know a lot, do you? Why don't you go read something instead of asking me to explain 30 elementary concepts to you?

And "perfectly"? WTF are you smoking? I see creationists say this type of garbage all the time. Why have I never seen anything remotely like perfection in our solar system/universe? All I see is a bunch of stuff being influenced, through the laws of nature (etc.), by a bunch of other stuff. And vice versa.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
No, the pinnacle of arrogance is your constant displays of attacking people's intelligence.
"

You really think that? No you don't. That's just too stupid. Assuming you KNOW things that there is no evidence for is far more arrogant than anything you'll ever see me do.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Demonstrating that others are inferior? So you obviously are meaning intellectually. Apply this logic to physically. It is no different from the more muscular jocks giving swirlies in the bathroom. It's still a bully approach.
"

Again, do you read anything? If you'd read it, you'd see "generally through choices, not biology". As I've stated ad nauseam, I'm not criticizing people because they can't do math as well as me or can't remember as many things as me or whatever. Every non-handicapped person is capable of proper logic or doing simple things like learning about a topic before arguing about it or asking instead of telling when their knowledge is lacking (as those are choices/actions). If that group doesn't include you, let me know and I will stop ripping on you for those reasons and assume that you are indeed handicapped.
curious wrote, "<quoted text>
UMMM Hey! Still don't know how to use a comma,
Seems you are the expert on both,comma and coma,as attested by your state of mind

DERRRRP
"

That was just so amazingly clever that you don't get a real response.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
If you honestly believe that you are so much more intelligent and superior than everyone else, why do you waste it all arguing with us "idiots" on Topix? If we are so far beneath you that we are wasting your time, why aren't you doing something more constructive with your time?"

Why don't you get it? I've never said "everyone else". You're making that up. You are a strawman factory.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
If you work more with science in one day than any of us do in our entire lifetimes, why haven't we heard your name associated with the cure of a disease?"

Because you don't know my name, and medicine is not the only way that science improves the human race.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Why don't you run for office and turn our environment into the utopia that you claimed to be able to create?"

Because politicians are scumbags and a single non-scumbag joining their ranks will either have no impact or be eliminated.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
You wanted someone to show you where you are stupid? There you go. If you are really a super intellect, then you are stupid for wasting all your time and energy proving to us all what moronic, idiotic, wastes of oxygen we are. "

Your lack of understanding about the miniscule amount of time and energy I spend here invalidates any conclusion you think you've drawn. And "a super intellect"? Funny that I don't recall ever saying that.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
I'm trying to decipher Ummm's post that everything started from amino acids. "

Life is not "everything", moron. You don't need to decipher anything. You just need to learn English and then read my damn post.
I don't recall anyone from Monticello or surrounding area being credited for any major scientific breakthroughs so I would have assumed it was you.

Listen, I hate to waste any more of your precious time. I know you have other morons to insult and world problems to solve and all, but just one question.
I thought you said that everything came from amino acids. So if not, what did everything we see come from?

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#102286 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You are the saddest Mormon I have ever known. Most Mormons are highly educated and know all this already, they are smart enough to reconcile their religion with the scientific facts instead of denying science. Want to know what the bishop of my ward said when I asked about evolution? "It was just god's way of making life what it is." That's actually an intelligent answer, and one that is actually acceptable. Yep, Mormons don't deny evolution or any of the scientific facts, none of them, that makes you not only a failed Mormon but likely a liar, as I highly doubt someone as uneducated as you would ever be allowed in one of the churches simply because you'd bring down the IQ of the entire ward.
Haha
No I'm being a smart alic right now, but if you look back at earlier comments I've made, I don't deny science. I don't deny the idea of evolution, I just believe that God had a hand in it.
I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old. I believe creation happened over creation periods, not 6 actual days, etc.

I don't believe that things happened by chance. I believe that God had a plan, and He executed that plan.
And I believe that since He has the power and ability to create all that we can see (and even things we cannot see), then He can reattach an ear rather easily.
It just amazes me that people think everything came to be the way it is today, by chance. And if it did, what started it all? Will it self destruct at some point and start again on its own? What would it be like if it did?

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#102287 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I never bought the whole "god" thing, which is why I let the church at a young age. But yeah, they reconcile their beliefs with science instead of deny science, because ... well ... let's face it, the LDS church is the most successful business in the southwestern US. Have you seen their main temple in Utah? It's got more gold than all the rappers in New York combined.
The Salt Lake Temple was constructed in the 1800's over the course of 40 years. The story of its constructing is quite impressive. But it doesn't have near the gold in it that Solomon's temple had. Temples were referred to as the Mountain of The Lord.
One interesting fact. Brigham Young did try to get the state named Deseret. But the government official that had to approve it was not very fond of Mormons, so he it named Utah after the Ute Indians in that territory.

The translation of Utah in their language is "top of the mountains".

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#102288 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha
No I'm being a smart alic right now, but if you look back at earlier comments I've made, I don't deny science. I don't deny the idea of evolution, I just believe that God had a hand in it.
I don't believe the earth is 6000 years old. I believe creation happened over creation periods, not 6 actual days, etc.
I don't believe that things happened by chance. I believe that God had a plan, and He executed that plan.
And I believe that since He has the power and ability to create all that we can see (and even things we cannot see), then He can reattach an ear rather easily.
It just amazes me that people think everything came to be the way it is today, by chance. And if it did, what started it all? Will it self destruct at some point and start again on its own? What would it be like if it did?
Chance is simply another word for "we don't know," that is all. You use it as if it's some actual random thing, nothing is random, but no "plan" or intelligence is needed for things to behave within laws. The universe exists around the laws, not because of them, not even in spite of them, another universe could exist around very different laws, but none of that matters to us, nor would knowing if an intelligence played a role in the start of the universe. That's what you still don't get and I mentioned this to you once already. Knowing the "who" or the "what" does not effect the "how," and thus, even if your religious nonsense was correct, it would have zero bearing on scientific research. However, the problem is, you present no evidence to support your religious stuff, thus it is, rightfully and sanely, dismissed as mythology.

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#102289 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, the OT was written at the same time, idiot.
Whoa, who told you that? Even atheists don't believe this.

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#102290 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Why can't you avoid anthropomorphizing natural processes?
I'm just asking you to clarify. Active listening means you repeat back to someone what they just said in your own words. That's what I was doing.
Lets just start over then. In your words, how did suns and planets come to be? How did they begin to orbit in an incredibly consistent manner (I won't say perfect)? And how did we come to exist?
And did all this happen under the direction of a being, or on its own?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#102291 May 3, 2013
gary wrote:
<quoted text>
No im Gary I still have not found god
Where have you been looking?

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#102292 May 3, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
If the words "believe that" is offensive to you, due to the faith connotations, simply think of it as the "i hold the opinion that" (as that was the definite of "believe" that I intended to use). Do recognize that 4 is just as illogical as 1, at least for the question of "God", as written. If we extend that all things in the Bible must be true in order for that God to exist, then you are absolutely correct that we have evidence to disprove the existence. But that's not quite what I asked. Sorry for the confusion, but I was simply asking about "A God", not specific KJV God.

do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Yes, so your body morphed from dying stars and hot air?"

Not air, gas. But yes, stupid. Read a book. I don't know how you can exist in this world and not be aware of those things.
I'm aware that there are theories surrounding this. But which is correct? What happened in sequence? I want to know what you guys believe. I have answered each of you on what I believe. And I haven't told you to go read the Bible. Do me the same favor. You can include all the name calling if it helps you. I know it's hard for you to speak without insult.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

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#102294 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm aware that there are theories surrounding this. But which is correct? What happened in sequence? I want to know what you guys believe. I have answered each of you on what I believe. And I haven't told you to go read the Bible. Do me the same favor. You can include all the name calling if it helps you. I know it's hard for you to speak without insult.
I don't Believe anything... I look at the evidence and base my views on the most rational hypothesis I can of the totality of that evidence... The Best, most rational, logical explanation that fits with and is not dis-proven by the evidence... No Belief required.... At anytime all such hypothesis can be sat aside and completely discarded, replaced with the acquisition of additional evidence... Evidence that can be Verified by any un-biased tester, Tested by any un-biased observer and reproduced by any un-biased experimenter....

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#102295 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't recall anyone from Monticello or surrounding area being credited for any major scientific breakthroughs so I would have assumed it was you.
Yes, science is only done by people that make the news. Clearly you know all about this stuff.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen, I hate to waste any more of your precious time. I know you have other morons to insult and world problems to solve and all, but just one question.
I thought you said that everything came from amino acids. So if not, what did everything we see come from?
If you hate to waste my time, then why won't you go back and READ?
Let me show you what you said:
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
My belief that a creator created us is no less plausible, and has no less proof than the belief that we all came to be from nothing.
The primary points being "created us" and "we all came to be". Not "created the planets and the universe" or "all of existence came to be". So, since YOU were obviously not speaking of the whole universe or planets or whatever (or at least NO reasonable person could gather that you were), I responded with:
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
we came to be from complex chains of amino acids (with many associated theories of the exact process), and there is infinitely more evidence to support this possibility than what you believe.
So, I was still on topic here (how we came to be). Answering questions. Dealing with ignorance. As always. Your response? Here you go:
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
And how did amino acid turn in to everything we see from a solar system that operates perfectly, to planets, to humans?
This is a combination of so many logical fallacies that I'm not going to bother counting. Or maybe it's just pure willful ignorance.
Either way, if you want to talk f*#king science, stay on topic and quit moving the goalposts or changing the scope every time you look stupid/wrong. If you honestly want to know something, quit being an offensive douchebag and simply ASK. I can't believe that you haven't noticed that I don't insult without being insulted or lied to. Don't take your broken understanding of some topic and try to play gotcha with people who have known better for decades. You will continue to look like an idiot science denialist. I don't want that. I want you to get better. I want you to understand science and logic.

If you want to talk faith, however, I don't want to hear it. Your faith is of no value to anyone here, and it doesn't have anything to do with the question that this topic begs.
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The translation of Utah in their language is "top of the mountains".
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Stop blindly believing church propaganda. Does that really sound like a plausible thing to you? And even if it WERE the word, do you think that it fulfills some prophesy? Really?
I'm pretty sure that the people of the Ute tribe have stated unequivocally that the term wasn't even a part of their language, but some bastardized word that outsiders called the people. It meant "animal eaters" or something of the sort. If I've known of this lie for decades, how is it that you do not?

“I Am No One Else”

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#102297 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm just asking you to clarify. Active listening means you repeat back to someone what they just said in your own words. That's what I was doing.
Lets just start over then. In your words, how did suns and planets come to be? How did they begin to orbit in an incredibly consistent manner (I won't say perfect)? And how did we come to exist?
And did all this happen under the direction of a being, or on its own?
No, you are anthropomorphizing things to avid the reality of it. A common tactic employed by people who employed by people using the fallacy of ignorance. We are chemical processes, chemical processes tend to be started by chemical reactions.

“I Am No One Else”

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#102298 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm aware that there are theories surrounding this. But which is correct? What happened in sequence? I want to know what you guys believe. I have answered each of you on what I believe. And I haven't told you to go read the Bible. Do me the same favor. You can include all the name calling if it helps you. I know it's hard for you to speak without insult.
I believe in nothing. I accept only what has solid evidence, not just hearsay. Saying "god dun it" is not an answer, when science discovers a real answer, you can say "god dun it that way" and at least then you'd be closer to sane. But Mormons think women are to be owned and treated like possessions, thus, your opinions are to be insulted.

“There is no god.”

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#102299 May 3, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
If the words "believe that" is offensive to you, due to the faith connotations, simply think of it as the "i hold the opinion that" (as that was the definite of "believe" that I intended to use). Do recognize that 4 is just as illogical as 1, at least for the question of "God", as written. If we extend that all things in the Bible must be true in order for that God to exist, then you are absolutely correct that we have evidence to disprove the existence. But that's not quite what I asked. Sorry for the confusion, but I was simply asking about "A God", not specific KJV God.
<quoted text>
Not air, gas. But yes, stupid. Read a book. I don't know how you can exist in this world and not be aware of those things.
Not offensive to me, just wanted to clarify I'm not big on believing. Of the gods that I have read about none are real, but there are thousands of gods, I have not and may not ever get to read about some of them, my guess would be they are delusions also.

http://www.godchecker.com/

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#102300 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Chance is simply another word for "we don't know," that is all. You use it as if it's some actual random thing, nothing is random, but no "plan" or intelligence is needed for things to behave within laws. The universe exists around the laws, not because of them, not even in spite of them, another universe could exist around very different laws, but none of that matters to us, nor would knowing if an intelligence played a role in the start of the universe. That's what you still don't get and I mentioned this to you once already. Knowing the "who" or the "what" does not effect the "how," and thus, even if your religious nonsense was correct, it would have zero bearing on scientific research. However, the problem is, you present no evidence to support your religious stuff, thus it is, rightfully and sanely, dismissed as mythology.
So if we admit neither of us know if an intelligence started it or not, where do we go from here?

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#102301 May 3, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>I don't Believe anything... I look at the evidence and base my views on the most rational hypothesis I can of the totality of that evidence... The Best, most rational, logical explanation that fits with and is not dis-proven by the evidence... No Belief required.... At anytime all such hypothesis can be sat aside and completely discarded, replaced with the acquisition of additional evidence... Evidence that can be Verified by any un-biased tester, Tested by any un-biased observer and reproduced by any un-biased experimenter....
Ok, so now answer the question please

“I Am No One Else”

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Seattle

#102302 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So if we admit neither of us know if an intelligence started it or not, where do we go from here?
We look for real answers.

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#102303 May 3, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
If you honestly want to know something, quit being an offensive douchebag and simply ASK. I can't believe that you haven't noticed that I don't insult without being insulted or lied to.
This is a lie right here. I didn't start insulting you first and you know it. You decided to join a conversation that was already in motion and immediately started calling people idiots, morons, and nutjobs.
But anyway, I've halfway learned how to ignore the childish insults, so I was trying to ask.
Let me ask again.
Since humans couldn't have come into existence before the solar system, and I thought you'd make that correlation, let me ask you how you think stars and planets came to exist and mingle with each other in gravitational fashion? Then how did humans form from amino acids?
And, what started the chain of events? And do you think this randomly happened or there could have been an intelligence behind it all?

There are many theories out there about these things, I realize that, but I'm asking you what you believe.(And yes Crom Man, I'm using that word for simplicity)

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#102304 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are anthropomorphizing things to avid the reality of it. A common tactic employed by people who employed by people using the fallacy of ignorance. We are chemical processes, chemical processes tend to be started by chemical reactions.
Do you know the definition of that word?
I'm not humanizing inanimate objects. Can you just answer my question?

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#102305 May 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>I believe in nothing. I accept only what has solid evidence, not just hearsay. Saying "god dun it" is not an answer, when science discovers a real answer, you can say "god dun it that way" and at least then you'd be closer to sane. But Mormons think women are to be owned and treated like possessions, thus, your opinions are to be insulted.
Wow, you guys say Christians avoid answering. I'm not trying to trap anyone here. Just answer.
If you don't like the word believe, substitute some other word that means an admission that you don't really know, but think happened based off of evidence.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#102306 May 3, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you guys say Christians avoid answering. I'm not trying to trap anyone here. Just answer.
If you don't like the word believe, substitute some other word that means an admission that you don't really know, but think happened based off of evidence.
Well, since I do not say I know something that is not based on solid evidence, then I do not need to admit to anything.

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