Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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That may be how you view your Bible, but for others, it's a book that contains LOTS of words of true wisdom...and some interesting geographical descriptions and historical references, even to people like Simcha Jacobovici. Now there's some interesting and worthy telebision.
Spiderman teaches better morals, is more recent and we know New York is real ... so based on your own assertion, Spiderman should be worshiped.

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You weren't there. There is nothing you can explain to me. There is nothing you can educate me on here. It wasn't like we went to a general practitioner. We went to one of the best cancer doctors west of the Mississippi.
You are still ignoring reality so you can continue to live in your delusion. You are correct, I am ill-equipped to educate someone as delusional as you are.

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You are saying that allowing marriage for gays will help them become more monogamous. I am pointing out that this is NOT the case for heterosexuals.
Today we see more people abstaining from marriage, waiting way longer to get married, having children out of wedlock, and the highest divorce rates ever.
I point this out to ask you if you really think the trend will be any different with gays?
I see nothing on your list that shows people that are married are less monogamous than none married people. A divorced person is not married, so how is divorce relevant here? If someone abstains from getting married, how is this relevant?

I am showing marriage is a tool to monogamy. Keep it from some people at the peril of society.

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The only two stories I've ever heard was someone had sex with a monkey (which I doubt) and that someone was doing tests with monkeys and got injured and somehow swapped blood with a primate. Either way, man is to blame.
It sounds like you aren't accepting the answer that God does not intervene in all things.
So god does not intervene in all things? Well it looks like he is not intervening at all. He is not intervening to stop massive suffering of millions. He can fix one kids ear, but fails to stop the real massive suffering?
Sorry, but my logic meter is going crazy now. Your story just fails to show justice. It fails to show fairness. The sort of traits we look at here on earth as good traits, your god seems not not have.
Should I forgo my understanding of good and bad to justify gods lack of help?
You seem to keep expecting me to forgo logic, and expect me to blindly accept this claimed god has some reasons that humans cannot relate to. Sorry, but that is code for someone to forgo logic.

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2 things
First, God does not intervene on everything that happens on earth. I've talked about this already. All sorts of differ t reasons why. But if we ask in prayer with faith, He does answer. Sometimes the answer is no. This we don't know. But it seems we, or someone else usually learns something or becomes stronger. And many times someone goes through a trial to give us the chance to help them.
Second, His time is different than ours. Suffering here is extremely temporary on His timeline. The plan is for us to return to Him. If that happens because of negligence on someone else's part for not helping, it isn't that person's fault.
As far as punishment, that isn't for me to decide. But think about it this way, if you created beings, they deny you and talk crap about you, you wouldn't be upset, or sad?
I think of Bill Cosby: I brought you in this world, and I'll take you out
Your statement here is why I cannot believe in your god. This is just a massive excuse for god not doing what one would actually expect from a real god.
It is a sadistic concept that one must have massive suffering in order to be a good person or learn what one needs to learn.
I think their is massive suffering that is doing zero good for anyone. I guess if you are not the one suffering, it is easy for you to think the suffering was worth it somehow.
Tell that to the child who was hungry and or abused for his entire short life.
Sorry, but I cannot forgo my sense of justice.

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If we truly seek, we will find.
If you spend your time looking for proof, you will waste your time. If you spend your time talking to God and following His direction, you can know He is real, and that He loves you and cares about you.
If we truly seek Zeus, we will find.
If you spend your time looking for proof of Zeus, you will waste your time. If you spend your time talking to Zeus and following His direction, you can know Zeus is real, and that Zeus loves you and cares about you.

Now can you understand why this seems silly to me?

First, I already know this propaganda. I once drank this cool aid. What I once thought was a god making me feel things, I now understand was just feelings of what I thought were true.
I now understand how our brain causes feelings. I understand our thoughts can cause physical reactions in our bodies. The brain is a powerful thing. If it did not have this power, we would not be what we are,(humans). Even animal brains cause physical reactions. Their is no mystery here. Maybe their is one to you, but you have shown a large disdain for science, so I can understand you likely do not know how the brain works.

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I thing God does follow logic, but not our version of it. Your comment represents a lack of humility in that there could be a creator, one greater than you, and that is the equivalent of pride in this situation.
And no I have no faith in Zeus, and after studying Islam, I have no faith in their beliefs.
Did you follow the ways of Zeus?
And your statements show you do not have the humility to think their might not be a creator.
After studying Christianity, I have no faith in their beliefs, but for some reason, you tell me I must do more than just study the religion.
Just showing the double standards.

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<quoted text>Evidence is not thought. Evidence simply is. I could go out and dig up bones if I chose to. I'm not kidding... you are either stupid or dishonest to keep acting like they are the same, much less in any way related.

I didn't "accuse" anything. Quit being a liar. I asked questions to point out how another person was making false claims, they refused to provide an answer because they knew they would be demonstrating that they lied. "Pot calling the kettle black" does not apply in ANY way here, because the entire point of what I posted was to get that person to demonstrate that they were lying. I am not lying about anything.

And of course I brought up strawman, because it's what you do every time you mischaracterize my statements. I also used the term correctly. You have yet to do so, and it makes you look stupid to people who know what logic is. I guess it's a good thing for you that nobody here who doesn't already disagree with you would fit that bill.
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We don't sit around thinking about evidence for the existence of God. We already accepted that or we wouldn't be believers. "

So you already accepted the existence of God based on faith (and therefore evidence is not required), or you already accepted that there was sufficient evidence to state that God exists?
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I think the lack of doubt is a big problem. "

The Bible tells you not to doubt!(James 1:6, Romans 14:23, etc.) Duh!

I'm beginning to think that there is literally no way to have an actual debate here. I held out hope for a couple, but that has pretty much passed now.
Evidence is useless without thought. Someone else did the work for you on evolution. My point was, you are using someone else's previous thoughts to even mention evolution. Without it, you'd just do your everyday thing oblivious that there was such a thing. I say this because I know you aren't a scientist, or actively engaged in developing or testing scientific theories. But evolution wasn't the only thing I mentioned. You keep typing responses, so you are utilizing someone else's 26 letter alphabet to call me names that you didn't coin.
My point still stands that you did try to trap someone with not being able to think for themselves because they use someone else's thoughts, when you do the same.
And the funny thing is, I don't even care. I just wanted to point out that you have flaws too. It's obvious that it gets under your skin that you walked into one. Calling me stupid or a liar doesn't change that I was right. You might be able to fool a few readers, but everyone else sees it now too. Haha

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<quoted text>The Jews believe Jesus was no god due to the fact he died, period. Thus it stands to reason the scriptures never predicted the death you speak of. Can you show the specific scripture?
I thought you said you read the Bible?

Read Psalm 22
Proverbs 14:32
Isaiah 53
Those quickly come to mind

The OT also predicted His life and resurrection.

Isaiah also prophesied of Joseph Smith and the restoration as a side note.

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do whut wrote:
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Evidence is useless without thought.
True. Which is why I supply the thought.
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Someone else did the work for you on evolution.
They didn't think up the evidence. The evidence is there. It exists. It is real. It can be analyzed by any individual.
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My point was, you are using someone else's previous thoughts to even mention evolution.
Then you don't have a point. Really. You are trying to equate an evidence based theory with a non-evidence based religion, as if people who find each to be true are committing the same fallacies. F&#king stupid.
It's nothing more than an idiotic misdirection from the thing you imbeciles simply will not admit:
There is NO logical basis for your beliefs. There is NO thought that goes into your beliefs. You were told what to believe and you did it. You did not examine the evidence that your church used to justify the beliefs because there was NONE.
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Without it, you'd just do your everyday thing oblivious that there was such a thing.
No, idiot. Just because YOU would do that doesn't mean I would.
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I say this because I know you aren't a scientist, or actively engaged in developing or testing scientific theories.
You don't know sh!t, and you have zero basis for saying something so stupid. Much like the other things you say. I guess that's just your modus operandi.

To be clear, I do more science on a daily basis than you have done in your life... because your words have made it quite apparent that you don't even slightly understand science. I also actually improve the lives of other people without shoving the Book of Mormon down their throat.
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But evolution wasn't the only thing I mentioned. You keep typing responses, so you are utilizing someone else's 26 letter alphabet to call me names that you didn't coin.
And I already told you that you're stupid for grouping those things. Apply the brain, idiot.

And do you really think all of this sh!t you're writing is clever? Do you think that it makes any sense? Do you think that you're demonstrating that anyone other than you is wrong?
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My point still stands that you did try to trap someone with not being able to think for themselves because they use someone else's thoughts, when you do the same.
No, idiot. No. I succeeded in demonstrating that they were lying. Just as you continue to lie. I never made ANY statement to that person concerning what I do or do not do. I only addressed their claim.
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And the funny thing is, I don't even care. I just wanted to point out that you have flaws too. It's obvious that it gets under your skin that you walked into one. Calling me stupid or a liar doesn't change that I was right. You might be able to fool a few readers, but everyone else sees it now too. Haha
If you don't care, why do you keep wandering onto the battlefield and tripping around like a drunken idiot?
It doesn't matter what you WANTED to do. I may have wanted to win the lottery this week, but I failed just as hard at that as you have in your endeavors here.
I have many flaws. And I am quite aware of them. Being inconsistent and illogical is NOT on the list. Do you really think I'm dumb enough to allow a wart like you to point out anything that I'm not intentionally putting out there?

That's rhetorical. I don't care what you think, because you're a stupid person that believes stupid things for stupid reasons. You are utterly deficient in objectivity, logic, skepticism, and pretty much any other trait that is known to improve the human race (amazingly enough, being nice at church is not on the list). And me saying that doesn't change reality... because the words are merely a reflection of it.

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Evidence is useless without thought. Someone else did the work for you on evolution. My point was, you are using someone else's previous thoughts to even mention evolution. Without it, you'd just do your everyday thing oblivious that there was such a thing. I say this because I know you aren't a scientist, or actively engaged in developing or testing scientific theories. But evolution wasn't the only thing I mentioned. You keep typing responses, so you are utilizing someone else's 26 letter alphabet to call me names that you didn't coin.
My point still stands that you did try to trap someone with not being able to think for themselves because they use someone else's thoughts, when you do the same.
And the funny thing is, I don't even care. I just wanted to point out that you have flaws too. It's obvious that it gets under your skin that you walked into one. Calling me stupid or a liar doesn't change that I was right. You might be able to fool a few readers, but everyone else sees it now too. Haha
Amen! He has not yet considered, let alone resolved to the fact that he is the one people think is stupid. Not necessarily because he IS stupid but because he has never learned how to live among normal people. Because he habitually refers to people as stupid idiots and liars he somehow believes that it makes it fact. He has truly esteemed himself higher than the rest. Not so unlike Lucifer. Head knowledge but no heart?.. Fail.

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Misty Morn wrote:
<quoted text>Amen! He has not yet considered, let alone resolved to the fact that he is the one people think is stupid. Not necessarily because he IS stupid but because he has never learned how to live among normal people. Because he habitually refers to people as stupid idiots and liars he somehow believes that it makes it fact. He has truly esteemed himself higher than the rest. Not so unlike Lucifer. Head knowledge but no heart?.. Fail.
Political Correctness is getting way out of hand, Now we not suppose to call stupid people stupid or idiots? How about Intellectually Deficient? But you are correct, saying over and over in a dozen paragraphs does not make it fact.... But reading one post by the Intellectually Deficient does provide sufficient Evidence...
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@ Do whut. Just look up and thank the Almighty God you are not him. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes for anything this world has to offer. No amount of being right is worth the point he has come to in his life. Demonic comes to mind. Either that or he is just the meanest man on earth.
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Political Correctness is getting way out of hand, Now we not suppose to call stupid people stupid or idiots? How about Intellectually Deficient? But you are correct, saying over and over in a dozen paragraphs does not make it fact.... But reading one post by the Intellectually Deficient does provide sufficient Evidence...
You are quite correct. I knew that to be true the first time I read one of your posts.
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Go to bed old man, you need some beauty sleep. Get up on the other side of the bed in the morning. Nite!

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Misty Morn wrote:
<quoted text>You are quite correct. I knew that to be true the first time I read one of your posts.
You do realize your response is the equivalence of the grade school "I know you are but what am I" right...

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Please google prophecies of Jesus. Quickly you will see a long list of scripture that was fulfilled. I'm not sure why you think the examples of these prophecies are so general. They are very specific.
I thought you said you had read the Bible?
The example I posted was precisely from such a list. And as you can see it is absolutely NOT a prophesy of Christ unless you just want to say it is.

I glanced through the rest of the list and didn't see any passages that said "And lo Jesus Christ shall be born"

I'm very familiar with how Bible interpretation goes. You find a passage that has some word or turn of phrase that you can construe into something that would not contradict Christ and you call that a prophesy of Christ. "And so it came to pass that a man called Jo walked the troubled land of Canaan"....see, the "Jo" is just short for Jesus and "Canaan" is an allegory for the whole world, which was troubled...CLEARLY this is prophesy of Christ!!

Yeah, know how that game is played.

Like I said, show me the money.

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...Since it is that easy,as you claim,Then,you should have no problem
providing me with 5 Biblical prophecies that point to Michael Jackson,,If you can't find them,then try to apply them to anyone else of your choosing... That should not be very hard for you to do.
By the way,your very simplistic response to a complex set of events that you clearly do not understand,has convinced me that,you do not understand
When you say I "do not understand" what you mean is I don't believe. I understand very well.

"Genesis 48:14
But Israel reached out his right hand and put it on Ephraim’s head, though he was the younger, and crossing his arms, he put his left hand on Manasseh’s head, even though Manasseh was the firstborn."

Here we see that God, through Jacob, is using his right hand to bless the child of Jacob who would be greatest. This is reflected in the fact that Michael Jackson wears a glove on his right hand.

The Book of Mormon also supports the idea that Michael Jackson was foretold in prophesy:

1 Nephi 11:13 (Mary) "... she was exceedingly fair and white."
1 Nephi 12:23 (Prophecy of Lamanites after Christ) "... became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations."
1 Nephi 13:15 (Gentiles) "... they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people [Nephites] before they were slain."
2 Nephi 5:21 "... a sore cursing ... as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

Clearly Jackson's lightening of skin color over the years demonstrates his divine nature, as supported by the Mormon text.

"Deuteronomy 8:6
Observe the commands of the Lord your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him."

Jackson's iconic moonwalk is directly foretold in Deuteronomy. As Jackson moonwalked, so did a generation of followers, just as commanded in the Bible.

"Deuteronomy 33:14
with the best the sun brings forth and the finest the moon can yield;"

Again, a reference to moonwalking here in Deuteronomy. Michael Jackson was the “best son” of his father Joseph Walter "Joe" Jackson. His moonwalk was a symbol of his divine origins and a fulfillment of this passage.

"Ezekiel 5:2
When the days of your siege come to an end, burn a third of the hair inside the city. Take a third and strike it with the sword all around the city. And scatter a third to the wind. For I will pursue them with drawn sword."

This is an altogether sad portent of the Prince of Pop for it describes the maladies and trials he faced from an eraly time in his career. The siege refers to the time before Jackson became known to the world as a holy man of his own right. The burnt hair clearly and unmistakably refers to the incident when he burned his hair in a Pepsi commercial. The striking of the sword refers to the way people used to make terrible jokes about Jackson being gay or being a p*ssy. The third scattered to the wind reflects the tireless life of a performer, jetting from place to place to spread his gospel even as these terrible afflictions pursue him.

"Genesis 37:3
New International Version (NIV)
3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than any of his other sons, because he had been born to him in his old age; and he made an ornate[a] robe for him."

This refers to the famous “coat of many colors”. Again we see a direct reflection of Jackson's future when we consider that he too donned an ornate jacket, replete with shiny zippers and red as fire.

I don't know how I can make it any clearer. Michael Jackson was foretold in the Bible, and even the Book of Mormon. Just like Jesus, but with better dance moves.

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Your response is a RED HERRING,,,look up it's meaning.
You and many others say that you want evidence of God's existence,
and God has provided you a way by which you can attain that evidence, if you really want to know him
When you really want something,you make every effort possible to get it....
You need ask yourselves,When have you ever made an honest effort to seek God?
Your response is,in no way,relevant to whai I posted.
I never said I wanted eviidence of Zeus Existence,I never said I wanted evidence of Allah Or Mohammed.
Since I did not ask,nor am I interested in,therefore there is no need for me to DILIGENTLY seek an answer
It is you hypocritical Atheists,who say,that you want evidence,and when told how that evidence can be attained,refuse to do so
In other words,you will not accept any answer,unless it is the one you want.
That is why you are hypocrites and illogical
You should look up red herring yourself.

If I'm not mistaken, the other poster was basically asking how much effort you put into investigating the existence of other gods besides the one you choose to believe in. That is not a red herring since it directly addresses the question at hand: does god exist and how do you know it.

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<quoted text>Take the challenge! Beg the non existing God to take back the breath he breathed into your body. I'm being very rational. It is just time for you people to realize what thin ice you are standing on. That's the only defense you people have is our offense. I have never prayed for anyone to die. That is your words not mine. I just simply said if you people don't want anything to do with God then tell Him to take His breath of life back. See how long you make it. You cannot have it both ways. You're either thankful for life or not. God gives life. I'm not saying anything because of those who disagree with me, I'm telling you that you cannot live without God. Life and death are in His hands. Neither is it attitude, it is fact. You people don't like strong defenders of the Faith do you? You want a weak and meek natured person to spit on. You want a door mat to wipe your nasty feet on. It makes it easier to spew your venom and feel all superior in your ignorance.. I wear snake guards at all times and carry anti-venom in my pocket. You love those people that you can call "Bible thumpers" and "fundies" and they crumble when you speak. Right? FYI, God will judge me harsher if I fail to stand against the likes of these people.
That is the dumbest thing I've read all week.

You just asked a bunch of atheists to ask God to do something. It's a funny notion, actually. The idea that we would assume God gave us "breath of life" in the first place, then stopped believing in him, then, at your behest, suddenly we accept him again and ask him to kill us.

The funniest part of this is that you actually think this is a zinger. lol

"Hey thing I don't believe in, can you come over here and do something that isn't real?"

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