Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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The fact is ,you refused to answer my question
"You need ask yourselves,When have you ever made an honest effort to seek God?
You could not answer it,because you have never tried.
Therefor ;You have concluded that;
"The only valid answer is a number."
But,what you failed to do,is, explain the foundation on which you base your conclusion.
If that foundation is not logical,then the basis for your conclusion is deemed invalid.
If your conclusioln is based on the premise,that that is the only answer acceptable to you,then logic dictates thast you are illogical and so is your conclusions.
Which may lead to your misinterpretation of MORON.
,as that could be what you see,when you look in the mirror
I didn't answer your question because it's stupid and irrelevant. You can't spell, can't form proper sentences, and you use about three times as many commas as any same person ever would. You don't get to claim anything in this universe is "not logical". You don't get to make some poorly typed "I know you are but what am I" statement in response to being called a moron.

I'll make this very simple. You are a 1. Unless you have a problem with being declared a 1, then you can tell me which other number you are.

I welcome any other more rational people, regardless of belief, to actually respond to what I asked.

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No im Gary I still have not found god
That's because he uses Real Tree camo....

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1. Would you consider turning to....
The way I understand it, that's not exactly how it works, thus the Trinity part. In any case-
I believe in anything harmless that can be spiritually uplifting, including prayers and meditation.
2. You may assume that the....
I don't like that word, just making assumptions can lead people to be soooo off base...ie: wrong. I'll have to look up this Escher thing..a d get back to you on the rest of it in about an HOUR.
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"Uplifting?" From a religion religion that tells you that everyone is worthless, incapable, and useless. Scam tactic #3, beat down the mark then offer them snake oil that will "lift" them back up.

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There ate two ways to prove God exists:
1. The Bible
2. Creation Romans 1:20
That's one way, and nothing but assertions. Without any actual evidence, you have nothing to back those assertions up. So, your bible is nothing but myths and legends.

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No no. This massive lump was not a misdiagnosis. It was physically there and visible when the decision was made for removal. There was no question this was cancer.
You are purposely ignoring most of what was explained to you just so you can continue to claim there was a "miracle" when nothing out of the ordinary happened.

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Sorry but I disagree
Sorry, but all scientific studies disagree with you then.

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Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>It's funny...
You've got people on here telling you "There IS a Good God!",
Who Loves you, and wants all of us with Him....
And you people would rather deny our faith, and knowledge to
do what you want...
That is the craziest thing about dumb people!
Hope that changes for ALL of you!
If we were in Iran you would be telling me that Allah loves me. Should I then have become a Muslim?

(actually I'd be arrested by now, but the point remains)

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Uh, no it's pretty clear when they describe Him, the way He would be born, the miracles He would perform, and the way He would die and rise again.
Show me the money.

Because from what I understand it is passages like this one that you base your belief on:

Gen 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.(KJV)

I mean, if this is what you call prophesy then your bar is indeed extremely low. This verse says literally NOTHING about the coming of Christ. And when you add up all the verses like it that are called "prophetic" you get a sum of zero.

The Hebrews did believe that the Messiah would come. It is very convenient for Christians to then find Hebrew passages stating their belief in the possibility of a coming Messiah as proof that Christ is that figure.

Imagine I wrote a novel stating that I think there will eventually be born the best novelist in history. Then, years later, some novelist comes along who is extremely popular and out sells most people. Then his fans find my book and claim that he is the fulfillment of my prophecy.

Its the same damn thing.

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Let us look at what Jesus claimed about himself,,,,Which no one else ever has claimed about themselves
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life.... you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,...
If You Believed Moses, You Would Believe Me, for He Wrote of Me
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY,THIS SCRIPTURE IS FULFILLED BEFORE YOUR EYES
The claims he made,were made in the presence of the Pharisees,Saducees, Scribes and Lawyers
At no time,did anyone make any effort to dispute or challenge his claims .
In the Old testament there are over 40 prophecies that point to and were fulfilled by
Christ,regarding his birthplace,his birth,his ministry,that he would be betrayed,crucified and his resurrection,among others.
Not one person,other than Christ,has made the claim to be The Messiah and claim that the Scriptures testify to that fact.
Can you explain how this method of,Ancient Interpretation, when applied to all the prophecies that were fulfilled in Christ, invalidates them, and on what basis are they invalidated.?
Again, you guys have an extremely low bar for proof when it comes to Jesus, yet you want science to show you a crocoduck to accept evolution.

I don't care if Jesus claimed to be Michael Jackson and then said "Lo, Billy Jean surely shall not be mine".

Here's the problem with Ancient Interpretation: it is made up.

You dig through thousands of passages hunting for words or phrases than could possibly be interpreted in a certain way, such as to validate Jesus as a superhero. Obviously in a tome as wordy as the Bible you're GOING TO FIND IT. I can go to the Bible right now and find something that I could say points to Michael Jackson's birth, rise, and fall. It is not that hard to do.

The only reason you find this stuff compelling is that you believe in it already. You are not testing the idea, you are simply looking for validation of it. And when you pile up all these ridiculous fantasies the mound becomes so large you assume that means "good evidence".

Look up Modern Interpretation. This is the method of Bible interpretation that began sometime around the 17th century, particularly in Germany. Those are the guys who figured out that Genesis, for example, was written by no fewer than 3 different authors in 3 different times. The two different versions of creation in Genesis were written by two different authors. The story of Jacob blessing the 12 sons is a myth that explains how the 12 tribes of Israel came to be as they were. And so on.

Ancient Interpretation is pious in nature. It assumes the Bible is perfectly harmonious. Modern Interpretation is scientific and historical in nature. It assumes very little.

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The Agnostic or the atheist category part of "question 3"?
(Five? Six? Section A or B lol)
No need to lump it all inside a little box of labels here, your posts speak for yourself enough!!
I'm not sure what you find confusing about the question. He's not asking you to label your life. He's asking what your position is on the topic.
I'm unaware of any evidence of your god's existence. I'm squarely in position 3. Pretty simple.
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When a wise man speaks,it is because he has something to say,
When a fool speaks,it is because he has to say something
When an idiot speaks,it is because he has to say something and expresses himself based on his very limited vocabulay,,,,Gibberish and baby talk.
As they used to say in the old days;
When I want any S-ht from you,I'll squeeze your head
They do make ya Nanners don't they?
Two years of this....
All I get is "I wanna sin, and you can't make me stop!"
No... we cannot make them stop!
All we can do is HOPE they rub two brain cells together, and
see, that all the ill crap in this world is because someone
wants to do it....
"I'm a good person! Don't steal, kill, or lie! But I think abortion is Ok, and I read pornography...!"
They don't understand any correlation to the sins of the world!
It's ALL the same stuff.... Sin!
God Bless :-)
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LOL in a suit wrote:
Poor little religies, pray to god for me to stop, it will not work, there is no super head nut, just little clueless religie ones.
Why do religies keep reading my post, easy, their idiots that hate the truth. I state a fact and they, well, they thank me. Lmao.
"I state a fact"...
No... No you do not!
You have to KNOW facts before you can state them...
We see you do not even know God is real!

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Do you try and deny places like the Garden of Gethsemane, the Temple Dome, Isreal, Bethelehem, Judea, Egypt, Iraq, Mt Ararat (and on and on) just because you might not find the philolosophical aspects of reading materials all held within the same bindings, to be all in agreement of how you may believe (or not believe)?
Thank goodness, the sciences of say..ohh...archeology for example, do not approach their endevours with such close mindedness, or extreme amounts of pridefulness in their own beliefs, and nothing else except!
Nothing scientifically or historically interesting would ever be accomplished then!
I am sure most fiction novels are based in cities that are real.Does that mean any of the claimed events are real?
I am glad historians do not blindly accept tales just due to the city being real. But thanks for telling us what evidence you require. Why are you not a Muslim?
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Right. Which is why it was funny.
Just as his bottom lip wasn't really on the floor (if you remember that reference from his stand up).
Some people actually think that way though, which I think is sad, rather than funny, because that would be like living life on the end of the strings of puppet masters. Not a very appealing thought, to have to exist in a world based upon the whims of manipulators. especially if they are evil!
Sorry, I don't remember anything from the Cosby schtick show or stand up comedic acting routine...finding that kind thing good for a momentary laugh maybe....bt not much else beyond that, mostly because it's make believe, far from anything real.

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God tells us how to find Him. He does not tell us to dig up fossils to find Him. He does not tell us to analyze patterns to find Him. He does not tell us to search for Him in the clouds. He tells us to pray to Him and listen for the still small voice. This must be done with humility and a full intent to act on the answer that you receive.
So the propaganda tells you that looking for evidence is no way to find god? Of course it does, because it is impossible to find evidence for what does not exist.
That voice you hear is the brainwashing that told you to blindly believe.They are called thoughts.

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No I didn't say answered prayers are not God's going. What? How did you get that?
And no, maybe someone else learned or grew stronger from someone passing. The person that passed is in a better place anyway if they were a believer. And it could be argued that the non-believer is in a better place too.
If suffering is the only way to be a better person, then I suppose we should start torturing people. Or maybe, just maybe, you are wrong. Do you have the humility to think you just might be wrong?

If god is not causing the miracles, then who or what is causing them? I have asked this several times yet you keep skipping it. Is it the devil?

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Maybe I'm not at a point in my life where I am ready to receive that answer. I have prayed about this type thing before and felt the peace that the HG brings. He is also called the Comforter. I felt peace knowing the person was in a better place.
However, Jesus told us we can know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, so I continue to better myself and prepare myself so I may learn more. So far, this has proved successful. So if I learn God's purposes in this case, I will share with anyone that will listen or is prepared to listen.
Seems no one is at that point in their life for the holy ghost to answer, because I have asked many and no one has answers.
If your god does not have good answers, I am inclined to not look to him for answers.

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Your reasons are that you want proof. I have told you that you won't get it. And I have told you how you can learn for yourself. We can banter forever, but you won't learn anything from me. You have to reach out to God yourself and receive your own answer.
And if I'm right, you did agree to come here. You accepted God's plan.
Maybe, just maybe you are wrong. Do you have the humility to admit you could be wrong?
I do not need proof, I would be happy with just some evidence. Do you know the difference? I would be a bit pleased with just some logical answers, but you do not have them.
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"Uplifting?" From a religion religion that tells you that everyone is worthless, incapable, and useless. Scam tactic #3, beat down the mark then offer them snake oil that will "lift" them back up.
That's why I prefer to think for myself. There's good people in all different congregations, as well as bad people. There's good people in other "non organized religious" sectors, as well as bad people.

In my opinion, claims of being religious, non-religious or secular, isn't really what constitutes the basis for either good or bad.
Neither does what "book" people read or don't read, and really not even what "God" they believe, in or don't believe in.

Kind of something along the lines of-

New International Version (2011)
Matthew 16:26
What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?

Just my humble opinion though.

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Your inane reasoning has befuddled your mind.
What part of my reasoning is inane?
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You have made a Spectacle of yourself.......
Wonder if that means making a fool of yourself.....
Could be.
No, it doesn't. You obviously have access to a computer and the internet. Why don't you look words up instead of displaying your ignorance?
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I see you stopped posting under the name LOL in a suit.
I've gone over this before. I post under no other names. Why are you so fixated on that? You've accused me of posting under several other names in the past. I think at one point you accused me of being everyone who disagrees with you...or close to it.

Are you a conspiracy nut? Do you believe the moon landing was a hoax? Maybe the CIA is controlling your thoughts? Is the New World Order coming to take all your rights away?
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One can hide behind a name,ignorance can not be hidden
I couldn't agree with you more.

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