Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,966

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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ScienceProves

London, KY

#101976 May 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"The best way to avoid an escalated confrontation is by being rational, reasonable and respectful in the first place. I'm sorry, I understand that would take all of the fun out of your posting."
On the one hand, we have those who claim that the New Testament fulfilled the covenant and the Deuteronomic and Mosaic Laws are done.(We can now eat catfish, blutwurst, pork and lobster with impunity.) On the other hand, 300 years ago, Christians were burning people at the stake, 150 years ago Christians were owning people and 21 months ago (Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day), Christians were all about quoting Leviticus.
"OT hangups?"
Mmmm..catfish. For some though, as rough on the gut as watching some of that dark age..under a rock, barbaricness of being mired in OT Mental_ity is.

To the actually already enlightened anyway.

Have a nice day,plebeians, lol.

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#101977 May 1, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
"I can only explain it to you...but I refuse to THINK for you!"
Worm.
Plagiarizing posts from Q-man now? You are an idiot.

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#101978 May 1, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
<quoted text>
"I can only explain it to you...but I refuse to THINK for you!"
Worm.
Were you signing this post as "Worm"? Is this Dennis Rodman?

Since: Aug 10

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#101979 May 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
"The best way to avoid an escalated confrontation is by being rational, reasonable and respectful in the first place. I'm sorry, I understand that would take all of the fun out of your posting."...
You know, you're right. I think my recent exchanges with "curious" have pushed me over an edge.

To the user "ScienceProves", I apologize for repeatedly calling you an idiot. It's not your fault you are the way you are.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101980 May 1, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
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There ya go again-still stuck in ignotard mode.
Okay, so we'll try another approach-
I find your OT hangups to be loathesome.
So then morals are not absolute in your bible either.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101981 May 1, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
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5. Irrelevant, people are individuals, that can think and speak for themselves, as well as define their own categories of thought, which when all "encompassed" is actually none of any one's business anyway.
I am a number 5.
No, you're not. Idiot. You are one of the 4. If it's nobody's business than stop posting.
Les B Fair

Lexington, KY

#101982 May 1, 2013
Mark Twain defined faith thusly:
"Faith is believing in things that you know ain't so."

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#101983 May 1, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
You know what... this is just stupid. Completely stupid. I think it's time to clarify positions here. So, please, tell me which of these matches you:
1. Believes there is sufficient evidence to prove God's existence.
2. Does not believe that there is (or does not know if there is) sufficient evidence to prove God's existence, but has absolute faith in God's existence regardless.
3. Does not believe that there is (or does not know if there is) sufficient evidence to prove God's existence.
4. Believes that there is sufficient evidence to disprove God's existence.
These are all encompassing, so there is no need for discussion yet. Please, just give a number.
I am 3.
I'm assuming this was a request to all.

3 here as well.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101984 May 1, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm assuming this was a request to all.
3 here as well.
Thank you.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101985 May 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Quite the self portrait. I see you have far deeper identity issues than I could have imagined. Some say prayer and meditation is cathartic. Would you consider turning to God?
If I were to say "Bite me" you may assume that the "me" part of the phrase looks a little like Escher would have if he'd put on about 40 lbs.
1. Would you consider turning to....

The way I understand it, that's not exactly how it works, thus the Trinity part. In any case-
I believe in anything harmless that can be spiritually uplifting, including prayers and meditation.

2. You may assume that the....
I don't like that word, just making assumptions can lead people to be soooo off base...ie: wrong. I'll have to look up this Escher thing..a d get back to you on the rest of it in about an HOUR.
o_0
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101986 May 1, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you're not. Idiot. You are one of the 4. If it's nobody's business than stop posting.
None of the four of YOUR labelduhm ignorant labels is applicable.
Too bad for you.
Don't like my posts, don't read them, because You have NO right--or say, especially to tell ANY one else what to post about what they personally say about themselves, or not.

NO right -whatsoever.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101987 May 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You worship the book, you claim it's claims are all true, it's your book. Now, where's that evidence supporting the claims made in that book?
WTH are you babbling about? Your own Self projection?

I, like MANY people, read a lot of books.

Grow up, and get a clue...a brain..or something.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101988 May 1, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm assuming this was a request to all.
3 here as well.
The Agnostic or the atheist category part of "question 3"?

(Five? Six? Section A or B lol)

No need to lump it all inside a little box of labels here, your posts speak for yourself enough!!
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101989 May 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So then morals are not absolute in your bible either.
Are such ever absolute, as we read of in the Bible, or even through out the history of humanity?
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101990 May 1, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, you're right. I think my recent exchanges with "curious" have pushed me over an edge.
To the user "ScienceProves", I apologize for repeatedly calling you an idiot. It's not your fault you are the way you are.
I've been called worse, no doubt. Even recently maybe lol.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#101992 May 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that is not true.
You are talking about a subject called Ancient Interpretation. It is the way people used to read the Bible, as scholars, before more information was known and before the Enlightenment.
By that way of reading you can easily make an argument that OJ Simpson was foretold in the Hebrew Bible. This is because of the incredibly broad way that things were interpreted. They would read a passage in Genesis that was puzzling, then find something in some other book that could be construed to reflect it in some way. Or vice versa.
There's an example of this in the Jewish tradition. The story of Abraham being told to kill his son. In that story there is no mention of Satan at all. But the Jewish interpreters, using the same kind of methods you probably are basing your ideas on, found that there was a word at the beginning of the story that meant "things" but could also mean "words". So they said "These words came before" or something like that. So then they said, that must mean there was something said prior to the story. What could it be? So they searched and found the book of Job and the tale of Satan challenging God. So then they assumed that the "words" that came before MUST have been Satan challenging God to test Job.
So their interpretation was that God was basically taking a bet with the devil, like he did in Job. That would give him some reason to do this terrible thing.
But that isn't in the text. Anywhere.
And that is one example of how you can get Jesus from a text that never mentions Jesus.
Let us look at what Jesus claimed about himself,,,,Which no one else ever has claimed about themselves
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life.... you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,...

If You Believed Moses, You Would Believe Me, for He Wrote of Me
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY,THIS SCRIPTURE IS FULFILLED BEFORE YOUR EYES

The claims he made,were made in the presence of the Pharisees,Saducees, Scribes and Lawyers

At no time,did anyone make any effort to dispute or challenge his claims .

In the Old testament there are over 40 prophecies that point to and were fulfilled by

Christ,regarding his birthplace,his birth,his ministry,that he would be betrayed,crucified and his resurrection,among others.

Not one person,other than Christ,has made the claim to be The Messiah and claim that the Scriptures testify to that fact.

Can you explain how this method of,Ancient Interpretation, when applied to all the prophecies that were fulfilled in Christ, invalidates them, and on what basis are they invalidated.?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101993 May 1, 2013
If you nutbags would kindly answer my question instead of posting more scripture nobody cares about, it would be great.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#101994 May 1, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
If you nutbags would kindly answer my question instead of posting more scripture nobody cares about, it would be great.
I will attempt to answer your question,,,

A wise man can learn more from a fool's question,than a fool will learn from a wise man's answer
curious

Ocoee, FL

#101995 May 1, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
You know what... this is just stupid. Completely stupid. I think it's time to clarify positions here. So, please, tell me which of these matches you:
1. Believes there is sufficient evidence to prove God's existence.
2. Does not believe that there is (or does not know if there is) sufficient evidence to prove God's existence, but has absolute faith in God's existence regardless.
3. Does not believe that there is (or does not know if there is) sufficient evidence to prove God's existence.
4. Believes that there is sufficient evidence to disprove God's existence.
These are all encompassing, so there is no need for discussion yet. Please, just give a number.
I am 3.
We have dealt with that question and I have given you the answer
based on what is clearly stated in Scriptures.
You and many others say that you want evidence of God's existence,
and God has provided you a way by which you can attain that evidence, if you really want to know him
God says" If you diligently seek me,you will find me"
God does not say,If you diligently seek me, others will find me.
There is evidence of God"s existence in the natural world,evidence that you refuse to accept.
You are not looking for evidence,you are looking for signs, signs that you will readily dismiss.
If you really wanted to know God,you would not hesitate to put him to the test, so he could reveal himself to you.
When you really want something,you make every effort possible to get it....
You need ask yourselves,When have you ever made an honest effort to seek God?
The fact is,you don't want to know,and,when you claim you do,you are deceiving yourselves,
As I understand it,that is called Spiritual blindness
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#101996 May 1, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Let us look at what Jesus claimed about himself,,,,Which no one else ever has claimed about themselves
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
"You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life.... you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,...
If You Believed Moses, You Would Believe Me, for He Wrote of Me
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY,THIS SCRIPTURE IS FULFILLED BEFORE YOUR EYES
The claims he made,were made in the presence of the Pharisees,Saducees, Scribes and Lawyers
At no time,did anyone make any effort to dispute or challenge his claims .
In the Old testament there are over 40 prophecies that point to and were fulfilled by
Christ,regarding his birthplace,his birth,his ministry,that he would be betrayed,crucified and his resurrection,among others.
Not one person,other than Christ,has made the claim to be The Messiah and claim that the Scriptures testify to that fact.
Can you explain how this method of,Ancient Interpretation, when applied to all the prophecies that were fulfilled in Christ, invalidates them, and on what basis are they invalidated.?
"curious",
I just wanted to add to your statement---there are over 360 prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures(Old Testament) that point forward to Jesus and he fulfilled every one of them.

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