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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143120 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#101913 Apr 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you failed to use the logic of Islam? It is not your logic, so you surely passed it over by testing it with human logic.
And yes, I am using sarcasm to show your logic of god having different logic is illogical.

Did I say their could not be a god? No, so why do you assume that is what I think? Show me evidence of a creator god first, then judge to see if I am just hubris.

I tried to use the example of Zeus to your questions to me, but for some reason you see no connection.

BTW, I think their are lots of things and people that are greater than myself. So tell me again just what I said that leads you to conclude pride is a problem with me?
I told you that I have received a testimony that Jesus is the Son of God. This is contrary to Muslim teaching. Therefore I can conclude that it is not the full truth that I seek.

Evidence is all around you. To me it is sad that people believe that the complexities of the galaxy, or even the human body, or any creature, happened by chance with no intervention from a superior creator.

For you to reject this, and demean others that have found faith, this to me is a recipe for pride that blinds you from finding God.

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#101914 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>You use a crutch. You need it for some reason.
If you were a responsible, mature, sane adult, you would not need
an invisible friend.

Delusional people are often confident of their delusion.
Doesn't make them sane though.
You need not question my sanity. I assure you I am well grounded and do very well in my career, family, and social life. The fact that I believe in God makes me no less sane.

I don't "need" to believe in God. I believe because of my experiences with Him.

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#101915 Apr 30, 2013
Entomology wrote:
<quoted text>Kind of like saying haven't you ever heard of a tarantulla eating it's young?

Except one's an insect, as in not human.
Yeah I meant this totally to be funny, to lighten the mood. I figured everyone remembered the light hearted reference. I never dreamed it would carry on as a serious statement.

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#101916 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>There is much new that you could learn if you weren't so brainwashed.

"No, I do not respect your religious beliefs.

I respect your right to HAVE them.
I respect your right to PEACEFULLY EXPRESS them.

I do NOT respect your "right" to tell me I am an "EVIL" person.
I do NOT respect your "right" to tell me I am going to "HELL."

I do not respect IGNORANCE.
I do not respect BRAINWASHING.
I do not respect CULTS.
I do not respect HATRED, BIGOTRY, SEXISM OR TYRANNY.

I do not respect your RELIGION. And I don't have to."

The author of this quote is unknown to me...but I totally agree with it.
I have not once disrespected you. I have not told anyone they are going to hell or that they are evil. I have shown no hatred or bigotry towards you.
Why you feel the need to speak to me in such a manner only displays your own hatred and bigotry.
You have categorized me in some bucket that you hold some angry malice towards. Sorry, but I don't fit in your bucket, no matter how much you try to shove me in it.

I have never asked anyone to respect my beliefs. I have only asked that we respect each other as humans. It seems you have left that notion behind.

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#101917 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>Who is "they?" The dead people?

do whut wrote, "<quoted text> People often think that we are baptizing the dead into the Mormon church. That isn't the case. They still have free will. "

The dead still have free will??!! LOLOLOL!
I'm sure they would be happy to hear that.
Yes. If I'm right, you will know one day.

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#101918 Apr 30, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>I know a guy that is absolutely convinced he was taken on board a alien spacecraft, had test ran on him and has witnessed 5 separate alien spacecraft land and aliens get out.....

Should I take his word for it?

Evidence must Always be Verifiable by non biased people, Testable by non biased people and reproducible to non biased people....
Was there a team of doctors and an entire family present? Was there medical charts and records stating his condition before, during, and after the encounter?
Hmmm. Not quite the same thing.
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#101919 Apr 30, 2013
The whole mess started in the Garden of Eden with Satan's lie. Adam and Eve plunged the whole human race into sin and death. If God intervened to correct the problems caused by Satan it would appear that Satan and God are in kahoots. God will not allow Satan to have control of the earth indefinate! Revelation 21:3,4 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say:“Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
As far as HIV Aids it is reported that apes have HIV in their makeup and it is not harmful to them but when a human had sexual relations with an ape he contacted Aids and it is harmful to humans...it causes death. God prohibited sex with animals because he knows what is best for mankind, he being our creator!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#101920 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The entire Old Testament foretells the coming of Jesus Christ. This is also the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls, as most of the books of the Old Testament are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls as well. They go into great detail about what He will be like, what His name shall be called, and the things that He will do. Of course I believe the book of Mormon also foretells of His coming
No, that is not true.

You are talking about a subject called Ancient Interpretation. It is the way people used to read the Bible, as scholars, before more information was known and before the Enlightenment.

By that way of reading you can easily make an argument that OJ Simpson was foretold in the Hebrew Bible. This is because of the incredibly broad way that things were interpreted. They would read a passage in Genesis that was puzzling, then find something in some other book that could be construed to reflect it in some way. Or vice versa.

There's an example of this in the Jewish tradition. The story of Abraham being told to kill his son. In that story there is no mention of Satan at all. But the Jewish interpreters, using the same kind of methods you probably are basing your ideas on, found that there was a word at the beginning of the story that meant "things" but could also mean "words". So they said "These words came before" or something like that. So then they said, that must mean there was something said prior to the story. What could it be? So they searched and found the book of Job and the tale of Satan challenging God. So then they assumed that the "words" that came before MUST have been Satan challenging God to test Job.

So their interpretation was that God was basically taking a bet with the devil, like he did in Job. That would give him some reason to do this terrible thing.

But that isn't in the text. Anywhere.

And that is one example of how you can get Jesus from a text that never mentions Jesus.

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#101921 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference is magic and spells come from the Satan. Miracles come from God. Magic and spells seem to benefit more of the first person not others.
I believe that God helps those who help themselves. I would never discourage someone from going to a doctor, even with a blessing or prayers. It is still up to us to do everything that we can do within our own power, and then God makes up the difference according to our faith.
Magic is when things happen that cannot happen naturally. There is no functional difference between a miracle and magic, except where you personally wish to draw the line.

Both are not real.

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#101922 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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That is the miracle of the resurrection. Actually for the entire long stretch of human Written history, religion has been a factor. And I do not think it is coincidence that most old religions have some things in common.
Of course it is not a coincidence. Religion is a result of a pattern-seeking, self-aware animal trying to understand a big scary world in such a was as to keep the herd together and identify enemies.

There are going to be similarities in such schemes.

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#101923 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone suffers from disease. The rain falls on the just and unjust. And I don't have a clue why some are helped and others aren't. That's up to God. The important thing to me is that He has helped upon request and I have experienced that first hand.
What you describe as a miracle is called statistics. If 100 people have cancer and 50 of the pray for help while 50 do not then guess what will probably happen? They will die at a rate consistent with statistical data. You will not see a big spike in the survival rate of the people who pray. Yet if you asked any single person who DID pray and who DID survive longer they will probably say that God answered their prayers.

Yet that is like being the one guy who smokes 50 years and does not get cancer waling around saying "Smoking doesn't cause cancer. Look at me!"

It is a misunderstanding of statistics and reality.
Yes and Amen

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#101924 May 1, 2013
curious wrote:
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Asking you and your and your friends for their opinions on Spiritual matters,is like asking the 3 Stooges for their opinions on Brain Surgery,Rocket Science and The Wisdom of Fools.
The nonsense and gibberish that would be contained in their response will cause one to have uncontrollable fits of laughfter.
Much the same effect your response and that of your friends had on me.
Had to go see the doctor,busted a gut laughing,
When he asked me what caused it,I showed him what you all posted.
He wet his pants,and his nurse became hysterical.
Your ignorance has become quite a topic of conversation around the water cooler.
Great posts!
God Bless :-)
Yes and Amen

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#101925 May 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't see whatever it was you posted. You'll have to re-post it.
But I refer you to this reply because it sums it up nicely:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/somerset-ky/T...
As the other poster said, even the craziest coincidences are more likely to be true if they are possible than the idea of a super powered being.
It's funny...
You've got people on here telling you "There IS a Good God!",
Who Loves you, and wants all of us with Him....
And you people would rather deny our faith, and knowledge to
do what you want...
That is the craziest thing about dumb people!
Hope that changes for ALL of you!
ScienceProves

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#101926 May 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Often times? Rarely.
Often times, there is no difference whatsoever between acts of FAITH and psychological delusions.
Often times "Just because you don't see it, it's because it isn't there."
NOT in the REAL world of Science AND logical thinking.....

"Just because you don't see it, does NOT mean it isn't there".

For example, if I swabbed an onion for some DNA, are you going to try and "tell" me just because I don't see, with my little eye, the strand evidence, it isn't there? Old, dried up dinosaur bones, maybe, but not a nice, fresh onion. Therefore, I would rely on my FAITH, to know of BETTER possibilities, and continue

We won't go into how many variables could be involved in such, and the different degrees of them, except to add that the contaminate factor could add another interesting element to the scenerio.

And don't try to deny it, or I will have to get just merely RUDE, and call you a stupid name or something childish like that.

"Just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there".

Why that newest quote even explains-

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."

For those who seem to have trouble comprehending it to start with anyway.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101927 May 1, 2013
EveintheGarden wrote:
<quoted text>
Simplify, read the last line of that paragraph. It reiterates EXACTLY the biggest part of the underlying issue(s) that have been not-so-prolifically vociferated since Obama has been in office.
Too bad the individual options elements were tossed, and a quick jump instead, made for just more robbing-hoodieTic tax and fine the above tables, honest wage earning, tax paying lower working class masses, before even reaching the tables for discussion, eh?
Now I do not know what name you used to write the original post, so it is going to be hard looking for it.
We humans use names for a reason. Pick one and stick with it please, otherwise you are no one with no history.
ScienceProves

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#101928 May 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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This dogmatic drivel has nothing to do with HIV being transmitted to humans. It is not a moral issue, it is a medical one - not that a JW is likely to have any clear understanding of the difference.
Actually that "dogmatic" drivel of documented historical opinion- in a philosophical sense, does render proof that humans have been NOT perfect, prone to errors ,and some even prone to worse (like just downright nastiness, ugliness and other virtuessless traits of vileness) for a LONG, long time.

Not likely an airhead would have any concept of a bigger picture though.
ScienceProves

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#101929 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah I meant this totally to be funny, to lighten the mood. I figured everyone remembered the light hearted reference. I never dreamed it would carry on as a serious statement.
I've heard it said in general, by more than a few before.

I kind of find a lot of error with the statement too though. No one should seriously think they should have that much "control" over another human individual.

A thought at having any parental figure like that, would be cause to recoil!!

(but the Mr Cosby character no doubt, said it tongue and cheek, with best intentions for whom ever it was directed at no doubt, rather than some sort of personal fulfillment of ego)

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101930 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Because miracles normally come from prayer requests.
Sometimes we need to go through some things to make us stronger. Kinda like the caterpillar to butterfly analogy.
And why isn't it fair justice? You are choosing not to even try to believe in Him.
If you have to ask why I'm not Muslim, then we need to be talking more about doctrine
You have no idea what I have tried or not, so quit jumping to conclusions. Sounds like you just are parroting propaganda.
I am asking questions here and you have poor answers. So many are like, well god has his own logic or justice. Sorry, but if you think I must try to forgo the logic in my mind, you are making no sense.
Your god refuses to present himself. It is not logical I should believe in a being that has zero evidence of existence. I have looked for evidence, but none ever comes, yet you claim I do not look for god. Well I say he is not showing himself for me to see.
So you say Muslim doctrine is why you do not believe in Mohammed? Well same goes for me and the bible. It is an unbelievable story with no evidence and concepts that are not moral or logical to me. Same goes for the book of Mormon.
It is not justice to punish someone for not believing in something that has zero evidence. Why would I believe in an unjust god?
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101931 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I have not once disrespected you. I have not told anyone they are going to hell or that they are evil. I have shown no hatred or bigotry towards you.
Why you feel the need to speak to me in such a manner only displays your own hatred and bigotry.
You have categorized me in some bucket that you hold some angry malice towards. Sorry, but I don't fit in your bucket, no matter how much you try to shove me in it.
I have never asked anyone to respect my beliefs. I have only asked that we respect each other as humans. It seems you have left that notion behind.
This post however, is very redemptive (and true) lol.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101932 May 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Because miracles normally come from prayer requests.
Sometimes we need to go through some things to make us stronger. Kinda like the caterpillar to butterfly analogy.
And why isn't it fair justice? You are choosing not to even try to believe in Him.
If you have to ask why I'm not Muslim, then we need to be talking more about doctrine
So you are telling me the answered prayers are not of gods doings? If it is of gods doings, then you contradicted yourself. If it is not of gods doings, then is it of the devil? Who are you requesting help from?
No one needs someone to die of cancer to be stronger. Sorry, but your excuses are just not cutting it.

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