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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142516 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#101811 Apr 30, 2013
curious wrote:
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A)That you do not understand is very evident in your responses.
I tested the teachings that I read.Did as they instructed me to do.
I received the desired results,exactly as the teachings said that I would.
Exactly as the teachings said you would, eh? Exactly? You don't feel like you're doing some interpreting/inferring? If not, you and I(and the rest of the English speaking world) have massively different definitions for the word "exact".
curious wrote:
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This did not happen just once,it happened on a number of occassions, extended over a period of time.
I'm sure you have. I'd also be willing to bet that the "positive" results you received were easier to come by with each new "test".
The number of times you execute a poorly constructed test is irrelevant. All that it shows is a capability to reproduce an erroneous result (and probably with increased efficiency).
curious wrote:
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The reasons why I dismissed your so called logical explanations,were plainly addressed in what I posted...
If you have a problem with the reasons I gave, and that they are not valid,THEN,address them and explain why,in your view they are valid.
Address each specific point,based on facts,not on your still misguided opinion.
Prove to me,based on facts,how...
No, they were not "plainly addressed" by you. You go through extravagant exercises of poor logic in an attempt (I believe) to confuse whoever you are "debating" (I quoted debating because I believe you to be disingenuous and not really trying to debate the issue at all).

Every explanation given to you had minimal assumptions applied (if any) and all of them were reasonable to expect.

One of the other posters asked you specifically if anything in your scenario could have happened if you hadn't prayed. If you had simply ran your classified ad. You, to the best of my knowledge, ignored that question. Let me answer it for you. Yes...all of it.
There isn't a single event in your story that couldn't have happened without "divine intervention" and you know it. Any other answer is an attempt to deflect or distract and it displays your dishonesty.
curious wrote:
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I do not believe ,that either you,or Science,can duplicate the results.
You require a test that produces the exact same results now? That's funny because initially you just asked for a plausible explanation. You do realize those are separate things don't you?

Was it possible for Shaquille O'Neal to have made 20 consecutive free throws? Of course it was. Did he ever do it? No, I don't think so. But, according to your logic, because Shaq never did it it was (is) impossible for him to have done it. That's an idiotic position.
curious wrote:
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I arrived at that conclusion,based on the fact,that,even though,you had the opportunity to do so, none of you have stated that you have put into practice the teachings of the Bible and that they failed you..
You might state that now,as a way of covering your behinds,but when it was relevant,the thought never occurred to you,because there was no basis for you to think that way .
Another example of your lack of integrity. State it now to cover our behinds? Many of us have confessed (repeatedly) to being prior "believers". How convenient of you to overlook those admissions though.

“See how you are?”

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#101812 Apr 30, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
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I like the Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer et al books too.
Just think they should NOT allow for PEABRAIN editing of the original works, just because PEABRAINS can't handle it!
Agreed. There should be no revision of the classics. They are a product of their time, and no one should be alarmed, ashamed or too sensitive to expect them to be anything else.

“There is no god.”

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#101813 Apr 30, 2013
Yeah, like the torah and christian peaheads adding to it.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#101814 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Have you ever worked in sales?
Your reasoning is just about as close to failure as anything I've ever heard outside of saving $1,000 by buying a $30,000 car on secondary credit.
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No, what you have described is a personal jihad - or quest, if you prefer, to identify and commune with a Book through a program of suspended disbelief. It is submersion.
Why would anyone knowingly and willingly eradicate any part of their cognitive abilities by praying to have them subjugated to psychosis and superstition? And then highly to recommend the same self-treatment to others?! As my aunt would say, "Well, that's just not right."
Yes,my career was in Sales,for American Express and HSBC Bank,where I placed among the top 10% of their sales force in both.
That is not bragging,that is a fact.
Due to the results of my sales record,for which I do not take personal credit,I was able to retire early and am living a very comfortable retirement.

Your description of my cognitive abilities,is totally invalid and inaccurate,therefore your description is based on the nonsense that fills your mind.

I have ,time and again,stated the facts on which my Faith is based.

You and others are totally unable to understand or relate to those facts,therefore you interpret those facts as psycosis or superstition.
It was not psychosis or superstition that answered my prayers.

It would be psychosis or superstition,if I followed your logic,all based on the possibility that something may happen,by CHANCE,if I wait long enough for it to happen.
I repeat,You are the least qualified to pass judgement,since you are illequipped to do so.

In your foolish state of mind,you still are attempting to explain,that which you do not understand.

You know what they say

A fool and his mind are soon parted.

Bottom line,What I consider your nonsense and Gibberish,in no way WILL SHAKE THE FOUNDATION OF MY FAITH.

In,effect,what you are saying is that,I should not trust,that which I have personally experienced,but ,that I should rely on your judgement as to how those events are to be interpreted.

And your judgement is based on what,,,,,It is based on nonsense,you did not live it or experience it,therefore you are totally unqualified to comment or judge.

You can believe what you want to believe.

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#101815 Apr 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I am sure their is no documentation of this supposed cancer?
People with cancer pray all the time. Most of them die due to cancer, so I see no evidence of prayer actually helping.

So just how did AIDs spread to humans? Contact with monkeys does not mean they had sex. And why did god allow for the monkeys to have the disease in the first place?

What of malaria making so many suffer? How about MS? Are you telling me praying Mormons do not suffer from disease? Or is god just allowing some to suffer?

Do you think marriage helps anyone be monogamous? If so, then it stands to reason homosexuals would have the same result. Unless you just think they are all bad.
Sure there is documentation from their tests. Why wouldn't there be?

I didn't suggest that man and monkey had sex. I know that was the common thought in the 90's, but I didn't say it. Funny how that was your first defensive response though. What I had heard last was that they determined that people that were capturing these primates were injured and the disease passed that way. Either way, that is man's fault. And as far as I know, the disease didn't hurt the primates, they were more of a carrier.

Everyone suffers from disease. The rain falls on the just and unjust. And I don't have a clue why some are helped and others aren't. That's up to God. The important thing to me is that He has helped upon request and I have experienced that first hand.

And no, I don't see that marriage helps keep anyone monogamous, regardless of sexual preference. I think it is a flawed argument that if gays are allowed to marry, then STDs will decrease. I have not seen that it has helped heteros stay monogamous in the least. If they are going to cheat, they do it. If you are suggesting that fear of divorce and having to split 1/2 of their belongings will help them remain monogamous, then it isn't about love or rights to marry at all. In that case, what good is marriage? It would be better to not marry at all. That goes for straights and gays.

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#101816 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So you're basically saying that there wouldn't be a Washington state if there was no chief Seattle.
Do you know the history of Utah?

There wasn't a soul living in that area but Ute Indians. I can't speak for Washington, but for Utah, It would not be the same without Brigham taking tens of thousands of Mormons there.

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#101817 Apr 30, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>I know we share the same beliefs,and this was not intended for you,I made an error,and when I realized it ,sent another post right behind this one,explaining my mistake.
Again,my apologies
No problem :)

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#101818 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>When I was little, I believed giraffes and camels were just different kinds of horsies because of a general similarity in appearance and I believed Geo. Washington threw a dollar across the Potomac because I was told so. That was when I was a child and today I know those things are completely false.
You are supposedly a rational thinking adult. What is your excuse?
"Truth" in a religious context is defined in a way that has little to do with fact, veracity, actuality or accuracy.
That's why I used the word believe. You will notice I have admitted a hundred times that I know my beliefs are based on faith.

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#101819 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I haven't stated an opinion on whether I "like it or not." I haven't even stated any opinion on the church of the LDS - except that you have to take their genealogical records with a grain of salt and double check them thoroughly.(No Pilgrims were born in 1612 in Massachusetts.)

do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
It really doesn't matter if he was governor, he as prophet, dictated the focus of most of the efforts of church members at that time. They were incredibly hard working. They turned a desert into a farmland in a short amount of time and made Utah a nice area to live. They helped settle Idaho, Utah, and New Mexico, all under the direction of Brigham. "

No need to be defensive about it.
I don't poo-poo the arduous accomplishments of Young or of any of the pioneers. Because of persecution and violence, the early Mormons LEFT the U.S. Perfectly understandable. I SAID that the LDS was Young's church and that Deseret was his country.

You say Brigham, I say Young....
I'm not on a first name familiarity with someone I've never met. I haven't seen you refer to the founding fathers as Benjamin, George, Thomas, John, Samuel, Paul... Is that your bias I see peeking through?(OK, now you can be defensive.)
What do pilgrims and 1612 have to do with anything? You lost me on that one.

And no, I just like the name Brigham better. It's not as common as Young. When I say Brigham, everyone knows who I speak of.

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#101820 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And the Old Testament relays an entire speech that Jonah gave to God from the inside of a fish. No scribes, no film crews. Les Stroud, Bear Grills - eat yer hearts out.
Just saying, we know the belief that Jesus would come existed before He came.

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#101821 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>No, he's basically saying that Utah wouldn't have been the same without Brigham Young in the same manner as Pennsylvania wouldn't have been the same without William Penn and Rhode Island wouldn't have been the same without Roger Williams. It's a horn blowing non-issue.
Just saying he did good things for more than just his church.

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#101822 Apr 30, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......
Thanks again for reminding me that I'm nothing like you

“There is no god.”

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#101823 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Thanks again for reminding me that I'm nothing like you
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

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#101824 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>Yahweh is a mathematician?
Personal power < sufficient + Yahweh power (- insufficient personal power)= miracle?
(Please forgive me, all you real mathematicians)

Magic spells bend the laws of reality.
Miracles bend the laws of reality.
There is no difference and both are imaginary.

"Magic and spells seem to benefit more of the first person not others."
So you are saying a "miracle" benefits only those NOT asking for one?
Come on... Religious people pray for miracles for themselves constantly.

You know, if those who "helps themselves" actually help themselves, there is no need for a god's help.
Religion requires a person to believe they are weak and helpless.
It preys on the insecure, the needy, the frightened.
But instead of encouraging confidence and courage, it offers a crutch.
Religion poisons everything.
I have no idea what that equation was supposed to mean. Sorry

Prayer, miracles, and the priesthood can benefit both you and others. But the priesthood is different. I cannot use it for myself. I can't lay my hands upon my own head and pronounce a blessing. But I can help others and it in turn strengthens my faith.

Do I seem weak and helpless to you? Do I seem to lack confidence to you?

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#101825 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>I adore the IPU. She is watching over my shoulder as I am typing.
She says that later today we are going to fly to Mars where She will leave a pile of glittered poop for scientists to eventually find to confirm Her existance.
And they will declare "It's a miracle! She IS real!"

IPU believers everywhere will smile, nod and whisper "I told you so."
;)
So you stoop to this level of insult too? Interesting. I learned something new here.

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#101826 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And we are still waiting for you to have something to say.
Imagine this: The Earth is over 4 billion years old. It is a small planet circling a medium sized middle aged 3rd generation star in an obscure part of a medium sized galaxy that contains 300,000,000,000 other stars. In the observable universe alone, there are probably 100,000,000,000 other galaxies.
Now, you wish us to have faith (that is to imagine and believe) that a deity who created all of this and vastly, vastly more over 13 billion years ago, recently created humans in 'his' image and has spent the last 6,000 years doting over a family of sheep herders (which is STILL basically all we are) and that he speaks to you through characters printed on sheets of pulverized plant fibers and possibly a sort of psychic connection that is indistinguishable from a psychiatric disorder.
Oh, I'm sorry - were you saying something I needed to take seriously?
Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.

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#101827 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.
Is this an applicable example of when to use Occam's razor?

“See how you are?”

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#101828 Apr 30, 2013
I am not on a mission to shake anyone's faith. My initial presence on this thread was twofold - one for entertainment and the other to refute the notion that religious indoctrination has any lawful or meritorious function in public schools, especially considering the abysmal academic 'achievements' sustained in the 'Bible Belt' states.
HSBC? American Express? Oohh.. Sorry guy, I misunderstood. Nope, I can't say I've had that personal experience or I guess I might look to God for repentance, too. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying that I believe you were money laundering for the drug cartels or anything like that. Rest assured, I have other things to believe. Possibly something a little less nefarious - like a couple cases too many 3 martini lunches... or something.

“See how you are?”

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#101829 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.
Indeed. Sol = soul? I'm certainly not a sun worshiper, but doesn't the first commandment indicate that there ARE other Gods? There are some who contend that humans are special and alone in the universe. I find that to be arrogant. Perhaps we are genetically engineered beings who owe our existence to superior intellect(s). The fusion of a couple chromosomes, a chemical dart here and a splice there...voila! Perhaps even the physics of this entire universe are the result of a carefully tailored experiment from a para-parent universal lab. The options are not beyond the farthest realms of impossibility. The Trinity is still balderdash, tho.

“See how you are?”

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#101830 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What do pilgrims and 1612 have to do with anything? You lost me on that one.
And no, I just like the name Brigham better. It's not as common as Young. When I say Brigham, everyone knows who I speak of.
I never accused Mr. Young of being a bad leader, I said that he worked for HIS church and for DESERET - and I meant in contrast to for the United States and the first amendment. Don't be so sensitive. He and the pioneers did well with what they had.

I was doing genealogy and according to the LDS, I had an ancestor born in the state of MA eight years before the pilgrims landed. The point was having a reason to badmouth Mormons. It was a little irritating to see how many of my ancestors have been posthumously baptized, christened, what-have-you by the LDS, but I can deal with some foibles and quirkiness. Which reminds me, I don't really mind what John Travolta believes, either - as long as he doesn't do a remake of Battleship Earth or give me bad lineage info.

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