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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147278 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#101820 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And the Old Testament relays an entire speech that Jonah gave to God from the inside of a fish. No scribes, no film crews. Les Stroud, Bear Grills - eat yer hearts out.
Just saying, we know the belief that Jesus would come existed before He came.

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#101821 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>No, he's basically saying that Utah wouldn't have been the same without Brigham Young in the same manner as Pennsylvania wouldn't have been the same without William Penn and Rhode Island wouldn't have been the same without Roger Williams. It's a horn blowing non-issue.
Just saying he did good things for more than just his church.

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#101822 Apr 30, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......
Thanks again for reminding me that I'm nothing like you

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

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#101823 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Thanks again for reminding me that I'm nothing like you
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

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#101824 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>Yahweh is a mathematician?
Personal power < sufficient + Yahweh power (- insufficient personal power)= miracle?
(Please forgive me, all you real mathematicians)

Magic spells bend the laws of reality.
Miracles bend the laws of reality.
There is no difference and both are imaginary.

"Magic and spells seem to benefit more of the first person not others."
So you are saying a "miracle" benefits only those NOT asking for one?
Come on... Religious people pray for miracles for themselves constantly.

You know, if those who "helps themselves" actually help themselves, there is no need for a god's help.
Religion requires a person to believe they are weak and helpless.
It preys on the insecure, the needy, the frightened.
But instead of encouraging confidence and courage, it offers a crutch.
Religion poisons everything.
I have no idea what that equation was supposed to mean. Sorry

Prayer, miracles, and the priesthood can benefit both you and others. But the priesthood is different. I cannot use it for myself. I can't lay my hands upon my own head and pronounce a blessing. But I can help others and it in turn strengthens my faith.

Do I seem weak and helpless to you? Do I seem to lack confidence to you?

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#101825 Apr 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>I adore the IPU. She is watching over my shoulder as I am typing.
She says that later today we are going to fly to Mars where She will leave a pile of glittered poop for scientists to eventually find to confirm Her existance.
And they will declare "It's a miracle! She IS real!"

IPU believers everywhere will smile, nod and whisper "I told you so."
;)
So you stoop to this level of insult too? Interesting. I learned something new here.

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#101826 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>And we are still waiting for you to have something to say.
Imagine this: The Earth is over 4 billion years old. It is a small planet circling a medium sized middle aged 3rd generation star in an obscure part of a medium sized galaxy that contains 300,000,000,000 other stars. In the observable universe alone, there are probably 100,000,000,000 other galaxies.
Now, you wish us to have faith (that is to imagine and believe) that a deity who created all of this and vastly, vastly more over 13 billion years ago, recently created humans in 'his' image and has spent the last 6,000 years doting over a family of sheep herders (which is STILL basically all we are) and that he speaks to you through characters printed on sheets of pulverized plant fibers and possibly a sort of psychic connection that is indistinguishable from a psychiatric disorder.
Oh, I'm sorry - were you saying something I needed to take seriously?
Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.

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#101827 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.
Is this an applicable example of when to use Occam's razor?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

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#101828 Apr 30, 2013
I am not on a mission to shake anyone's faith. My initial presence on this thread was twofold - one for entertainment and the other to refute the notion that religious indoctrination has any lawful or meritorious function in public schools, especially considering the abysmal academic 'achievements' sustained in the 'Bible Belt' states.
HSBC? American Express? Oohh.. Sorry guy, I misunderstood. Nope, I can't say I've had that personal experience or I guess I might look to God for repentance, too. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying that I believe you were money laundering for the drug cartels or anything like that. Rest assured, I have other things to believe. Possibly something a little less nefarious - like a couple cases too many 3 martini lunches... or something.

“See how you are?”

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#101829 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Who says that all those other stars don't have inhabitants just like us? Who knows? Remember I me mentioned the possibility that our God has a Father as well? What If all those stars are governed by relatives of our God? If we are created in His image, and we have relatives, you never know.
Anyway, just thought if throw it out there.
Indeed. Sol = soul? I'm certainly not a sun worshiper, but doesn't the first commandment indicate that there ARE other Gods? There are some who contend that humans are special and alone in the universe. I find that to be arrogant. Perhaps we are genetically engineered beings who owe our existence to superior intellect(s). The fusion of a couple chromosomes, a chemical dart here and a splice there...voila! Perhaps even the physics of this entire universe are the result of a carefully tailored experiment from a para-parent universal lab. The options are not beyond the farthest realms of impossibility. The Trinity is still balderdash, tho.

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#101830 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What do pilgrims and 1612 have to do with anything? You lost me on that one.
And no, I just like the name Brigham better. It's not as common as Young. When I say Brigham, everyone knows who I speak of.
I never accused Mr. Young of being a bad leader, I said that he worked for HIS church and for DESERET - and I meant in contrast to for the United States and the first amendment. Don't be so sensitive. He and the pioneers did well with what they had.

I was doing genealogy and according to the LDS, I had an ancestor born in the state of MA eight years before the pilgrims landed. The point was having a reason to badmouth Mormons. It was a little irritating to see how many of my ancestors have been posthumously baptized, christened, what-have-you by the LDS, but I can deal with some foibles and quirkiness. Which reminds me, I don't really mind what John Travolta believes, either - as long as he doesn't do a remake of Battleship Earth or give me bad lineage info.
curious

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#101832 Apr 30, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
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Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......
Let me ask you a question.

Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.

Is that what you say to yourself whenever you look in the mirror?
Or
Is that your mind telling you what it really thinks of you?

Do you have a complex?

Any way,you need to get back to your room at the Mental Institution and have the Shrink examine the few remaining functioning neurons you have left in your belly button.
He may have to remove the lint,so as not to cause you any further mental damage.
And,stop posting under different nicknamesThat is getting old and boring

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101833 Apr 30, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
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Wasted time, wasted tax payer dollars-falling to ploys of thirty years behind and backwards in time, while the futures of next generations, will suffer because of it.
The current admin hasn't even been able to handle BUDGETS...and most of them are of plenty of age enough, to should've already been able to have been doing so--YEARS ago.
Instead, all we have seen/heard..is wahwahwah..we needs more taxpayer dollars--- to WASTE.
It's shameful.
I have no idea what in the world you are even talking about?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101834 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No I saw the evidence that would convince anyone.
And I do not think that 2 doctors that are supposed to be in the top 10 in the nation misdiagnosed. But believe as you wish.
No, you saw evidence that would convince a gullible person who is not a skeptic of any sort. Us skeptics require a lot more conclusive and objective evidence.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101835 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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That is the miracle of the resurrection. Actually for the entire long stretch of human Written history, religion has been a factor. And I do not think it is coincidence that most old religions have some things in common.
Religions having things in common points to the fact they borrow ideas from each other and or that religious ideas are that of basic propaganda tactics.
They are made up answers from those who know no or little of how nature actually works. Now we can look to science for many of these answers, but now the religious are taught to ignore the science as if it is the work of the devil or some such excuse.

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101836 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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The difference is magic and spells come from the Satan. Miracles come from God. Magic and spells seem to benefit more of the first person not others.
I believe that God helps those who help themselves. I would never discourage someone from going to a doctor, even with a blessing or prayers. It is still up to us to do everything that we can do within our own power, and then God makes up the difference according to our faith.
You are just making up definitions to words.
Call it what you wish, but I will use common English language.
Wiki
Magic is the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation, ceremony, ritual, the casting of spells or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.[

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101838 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No I can't say that's how AIDS was transmitted.
Why I laughed about monogamy: they don't need marriage to be monogamous. That's a choice they could make at any time.
So why did you bring up the monkey thing?

No, you do not need marriage to be monogamous, but that was not the question. As usual you avoid the actual question.

My point about marriage is, if you make homosexual relationships normal or less stigmatized, I think more homosexuals would have relationships instead of just sexual exchanges.
But you and your kind make homosexuals stay in the closet, so to speak. This leads them to seek their sexual gratification in quick encounters as to not get caught by their peers.
Well it should not take a study to conclude this is one reason many homosexuals are promiscuous.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101839 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I have no idea what that equation was supposed to mean. Sorry
Prayer, miracles, and the priesthood can benefit both you and others. But the priesthood is different. I cannot use it for myself. I can't lay my hands upon my own head and pronounce a blessing. But I can help others and it in turn strengthens my faith.
Do I seem weak and helpless to you? Do I seem to lack confidence to you?
In other words, you cannot tell the difference between "magic" and "miracle" either.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#101840 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There wouldn't have been a Utah, or a Salt Lake City as we know it without Brigham. Like it or not
And just what does, as we know it mean? You mean a place were black people were shunned for over a century due to Brigham's racist nature?

“Breaking the spell ”

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#101841 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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And no I can't blame God for the transfer of HIV from primates to humans. That was man's fault.
So explain just what man did that was so wrong that happened?

Lets say just for purposes of debate on god letting people suffer for no good reason that it was the fault of a few men. So what of it? If god can help, why would he not? Is one mans wrongdoing cause to allow millions or billions to suffer so greatly?
Seems a poor excuse to do nothing.

If a bad man threw a baby in the river, would you just allow the baby to drown? See how your logic is not holding up? If you have the power to help and do nothing, are you really moral? I do not think so, and this is just one more reason I find it hard to believe their is a god.
So why should I be punished for having doubts about this? I think I have many very good reasons to not believe in a god, but according to you, I will be punished no matter my reasons.
Sorry, but this tips the logic meter against you.

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