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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 143147 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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ScienceProves

London, KY

#101770 Apr 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Wheather you say it or not makes it no less true. Their is zero evidence a god exists, a holy ghost speaks to people, that Jesus was a deity, that Moses or Brigham was a prophet, or that most of the claims of the bible ever occurred.
"Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there".

One of my new favorite quotes lol.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101771 Apr 30, 2013
Satan is scared wrote:
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This just came to me! An Internet Provider (IP) is the same for a laptop, pc or Mac and other things, you are really stupid! Hail stupid ass.
That would be the same as simply viewing the records held at the offices of titled motor vehicles, everywhere.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101772 Apr 30, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The IP address is the same, but the MAC address is machine specific stupid. Once they get the machine they get finger prints.
And you where so scared you wet your pants.
Work? Not you, you live with your mommy
and don't forget "deletions" can be detected (and more) too!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101773 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Whoa I can't let this one slip by. So you think that if gays were allowed to marry, they would be more monogamous? Really?
And no I can't blame God for the transfer of HIV from primates to humans. That was man's fault.
And as I said, as far as curing disease. It has happened through prayer. My own mother n law had cancer twice in two different places. After removal surgeries it popped up in different places. The third time of finding cancer, she did not want any treatment, just removal of the source. She was checked by two different doctors in different hospitals to determine how bad it was spreading.
2 weeks later she was due in for the removal surgery. I and another priesthood holder gave her a blessing. In the blessing I was prompted to tell her that according to her faith, her cancer would be gone and not return.
When the doctor began the surgery, he found nothing to remove. They stopped the surgery and tested her again and there was no trace of cancer. She has been cancer free for 6 years now.
I consider that a miracle as well.
Of course I am sure their is no documentation of this supposed cancer?
People with cancer pray all the time. Most of them die due to cancer, so I see no evidence of prayer actually helping.

So just how did AIDs spread to humans? Contact with monkeys does not mean they had sex. And why did god allow for the monkeys to have the disease in the first place?

What of malaria making so many suffer? How about MS? Are you telling me praying Mormons do not suffer from disease? Or is god just allowing some to suffer?

Do you think marriage helps anyone be monogamous? If so, then it stands to reason homosexuals would have the same result. Unless you just think they are all bad.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101774 Apr 30, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Yes they are interesting but are of absolutely no import in verification of a guy running around called Jesus since they are written 300 to 400 years after his supposed life... Again even the very few mentions of someone that might , maybe fit his later descriptors happened decades after the fact...
Not One mention, not one writing on a crap house wall, not a piece of pottery, not a document has been found after 2000 years of people ripping walls apart to find it has mention of such a person been found during the entirety of his life time...
And we are told that at his birth a star led wise men, animals gathered and all kinds of stuff that if true would have been of note in the local tabloid of the time... So from Birth people knew he was the Son of God, he preformed wondrous things and heal the blind... Yet during his life No One scribbled on a wall "Jesus was here" .. But during that same time frame we find Hundreds of writings, pottery showing sports stars, where the best whore houses are, how much wheat was stored, and all kinds of mundane day to day events memorialized..
Now I'm not saying some preacher guy didn't preach about a religion but at the time no one paid much attention and if he actually existed did nothing worth noting....
There's already a whole book filled with tidbits on Jesus...that has survived antiquity..and you wish to see another one?
Extreme expectations much?
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101775 Apr 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Not wholly accurate and not at all the point.
Believers TODAY think that the Bible is an accurate VERBATIM version of the events and of his speeches. That alone is evidence (and not the only evidence) that 'believers' worship the books, the messengers and the doctrines. Don't attempt to make excuses for the obvious.
Beats the ell out of cheezy, velveteenage type wall posters and other media spewed random spooge images!!!
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101776 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There wouldn't have been a Utah, or a Salt Lake City as we know it without Brigham. Like it or not
Compare it to Jefferson and Monticello-he might get an inkling then lol.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101777 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you're basically saying that there wouldn't be a Washington state if there was no chief Seattle.
Albany, New York - James of York and Albany

Annapolis, Maryland - Anne of Great Britain

Austin, Texas - Stephen F. Austin

Augusta, Maine - Augusta Dearborn

Bismarck, North Dakota - Otto von Bismarck

Carson City, Nevada - Kit Carson

Charleston, West Virginia - Charles Clendenin

Columbus, Ohio - Christopher Columbus
(Columbia, South Carolina - named after the poetic name for the Americas, which in turn is derived from Christopher Colubus's name)

Denver, Colorado - James W. Denver

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania - John Harris, Sr.

Jackson, Mississippi - Andrew Jackson

Jefferson City, Missouri - Thomas Jefferson

Juneau, Alaska - Joe Juneau

Lincoln, Nebraska - Abraham Lincoln

Madison, Wisconsin - James Madison

Montgomery, Alabama - Richard Montgomery

Nashville, Tennessee - Francis Nash

Pierre, South Dakota - Pierre Chouteau, Jr.

Raleigh, North Carolina - Sir Walter Raleigh

St. Paul, Minnesota - Saint Paul

Trenton, New Jersy - William Trent

My grandmother had an ol' scraggly scrapper tomcat named Kit Carson...hmmmm.
ScienceProves

London, KY

#101778 Apr 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose you think the civil rights thing was a non issue also? You give no reasoning, logic and really do not even have a point. In fact you really did not even point that what issue we are talking about. I was talking about two issues that I feel have some relation. Which one are you talking about?
Wasted time, wasted tax payer dollars-falling to ploys of thirty years behind and backwards in time, while the futures of next generations, will suffer because of it.

The current admin hasn't even been able to handle BUDGETS...and most of them are of plenty of age enough, to should've already been able to have been doing so--YEARS ago.
Instead, all we have seen/heard..is wahwahwah..we needs more taxpayer dollars--- to WASTE.

It's shameful.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#101779 Apr 30, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Thanks for allowing my "penny in the ear" analogy to gracefully whoosh over your head. I wasn't making comparisons to the kid in the story. Maybe you'll figure it out now.
Also, it's highly insulting to act as though others would have the same low standard of proof as you do. There is literally no way that I would believe such garbage. Believe me, I have been told more than one thing that is of this magnitude, and I believed none of it. I totally believed that the other person believed what they were telling me, though.
I will note that it must be convenient to be able to say "thanks for fulfilling scripture" and think you "got" somebody. Too bad you apparently don't realize that much of scripture was written to combat skepticism and logic.
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Understanding the Bible means not believing it.
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Thank you.
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They are being totally honest in this context. It should be VERY clear to you that nobody is talking about science here.
<quoted text>
What a pile of trash you are. That is the product of FEWER being "indoctrinated" into your hateful religion, and others like it, and MORE being allowed to see that all people should be afforded the same rights. Now that's progress and an improvement to our society.
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Why don't you understand evolution? And why don't you understand the difference between evolution and diet/medicine/environmental contaminants.
<quoted text>
Yours is not a good question. The process is NO different. The only difference is what causes more frequent transmittal of certain traits. In natural selection it is the environment. Here it is people. Not difficult.
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I can't tell if you're trolling. Really.
"What a pile of trash you are. That is the product of FEWER being "indoctrinated" into your hateful religion, and others like it, and MORE being allowed to see that all people should be afforded the same rights. Now that's progress and an improvement to our society."
I take it... yer gay?
Hold on to that thought, because what you said was more hateful,
than anything I posted!
See... I do not think gays are trash, having lived that lifestyle, I
KNOW Christ can cure that malfunction!
Believe me... it is Wrong to be that way...
Just as it is to kill babies, bomb school busses, or ANY
other ILL crap!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#101780 Apr 30, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Actually its called statistics. But leave it a Fundie to get huffy when reality disagrees with his sacred bigotry.
Leave it to you to not understand...
I'm a sinner SAVED by God's Grace, through Faith in Christ Jesus!
NO room for Bigotry where I came from, AND
Hoping the same for everyone else!
That is NOT Bigotry!
curious

Ocoee, FL

#101781 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Why was this to me? I don't question your belief. I share it
I know we share the same beliefs,and this was not intended for you,I made an error,and when I realized it ,sent another post right behind this one,explaining my mistake.
Again,my apologies

Since: Aug 10

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#101782 Apr 30, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>That is a story in a book. It defies the natural way of things that we have observed for as long as we have been observing things at all. When people die and are dead for three days they *do not* come back. Ever.

Unless all experience for the entire long stretch of human existence is wrong. In which case even the treasured ideas you believe in are just as suspect as anything else.
That is the miracle of the resurrection. Actually for the entire long stretch of human Written history, religion has been a factor. And I do not think it is coincidence that most old religions have some things in common.

Since: Aug 10

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#101783 Apr 30, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I'm fascinated by that stuff too. I like studying Bible scholars because it is archeology and history. I really enjoy reading about ancient cultures and how they came to be, how they went away, etc. So Biblical stuff is of course part of that body of information.
I agree it is fascinating. Ancient Chinese culture is fascinating to me as well. As are the cultures in India

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101784 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I believe them to be very close to the truth.
When I was little, I believed giraffes and camels were just different kinds of horsies because of a general similarity in appearance and I believed Geo. Washington threw a dollar across the Potomac because I was told so. That was when I was a child and today I know those things are completely false.
You are supposedly a rational thinking adult. What is your excuse?
"Truth" in a religious context is defined in a way that has little to do with fact, veracity, actuality or accuracy.

Since: Aug 10

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#101785 Apr 30, 2013
curious wrote:
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Asking you and your and your friends for their opinions on Spiritual matters,is like asking the 3 Stooges for their opinions on Brain Surgery,Rocket Science and The Wisdom of Fools...
But you didn't ask our opinion on "spiritual matters" did you? You asked for a logical explanation for the "illogical" events surrounding the recovery of your dog. We provided that...and quite easily I might add.

Since: Aug 10

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#101786 Apr 30, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>1) You have some shred of reason. Many people do not. If you go around telling people that prayers can cure cancer there are going to be foolish people who will shun medicine and just trust in God. Those people will die. Therefore it is dangerous to make those claims. I have no tolerance for that kind of reckless bullsh*t.

2) You have a title as a magic man. You say words, and sometimes the laws of nature are bent as a result. That is called magic. Name it what you like, rationalize it all day long, but you are calling yourself a wizard who can cast spells.
The difference is magic and spells come from the Satan. Miracles come from God. Magic and spells seem to benefit more of the first person not others.

I believe that God helps those who help themselves. I would never discourage someone from going to a doctor, even with a blessing or prayers. It is still up to us to do everything that we can do within our own power, and then God makes up the difference according to our faith.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101787 Apr 30, 2013
ScienceProves wrote:
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Beats the ell out of cheezy, velveteenage type wall posters and other media spewed random spooge images!!!
Would you be referring to the >thousand years of artwork that depicts Jesus as a European?

Since: Aug 10

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#101788 Apr 30, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>There are certainly no documents describing Jesus Christ from 400 years before the man was born. Come on, that was a typo right?
The entire Old Testament foretells the coming of Jesus Christ. This is also the case of the Dead Sea Scrolls, as most of the books of the Old Testament are found in the Dead Sea Scrolls as well. They go into great detail about what He will be like, what His name shall be called, and the things that He will do. Of course I believe the book of Mormon also foretells of His coming

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101789 Apr 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>There wouldn't have been a Utah, or a Salt Lake City as we know it without Brigham. Like it or not
I haven't stated an opinion on whether I "like it or not." I haven't even stated any opinion on the church of the LDS - except that you have to take their genealogical records with a grain of salt and double check them thoroughly.(No Pilgrims were born in 1612 in Massachusetts.)
do whut wrote:
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It really doesn't matter if he was governor, he as prophet, dictated the focus of most of the efforts of church members at that time. They were incredibly hard working. They turned a desert into a farmland in a short amount of time and made Utah a nice area to live. They helped settle Idaho, Utah, and New Mexico, all under the direction of Brigham.
No need to be defensive about it.
I don't poo-poo the arduous accomplishments of Young or of any of the pioneers. Because of persecution and violence, the early Mormons LEFT the U.S. Perfectly understandable. I SAID that the LDS was Young's church and that Deseret was his country.

You say Brigham, I say Young....
I'm not on a first name familiarity with someone I've never met. I haven't seen you refer to the founding fathers as Benjamin, George, Thomas, John, Samuel, Paul... Is that your bias I see peeking through?(OK, now you can be defensive.)

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