Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Why I generally distrust Mormon scholars

When I was growing up in the Mormon Church, I liked the Church but didn’t really have a testimony of it. I wanted to really know if the Church was true. I prayed about it after reading the BofM and didn’t receive any confirmation either way.

I went to the LDS bookstore and bought several books written by Mormon scholars. One that had a profound impact on me was the book The Book of Mormon on Trial by Jack West.

It gave some pretty convincing evidence that the BofM was true. It showed all these big statues in Central and South America that were Egyptian as evidence that people had come across the ocean like the BofM said. It recounted conversations with Native Americans ,who when asked what the name of a local mountain was, they said “Nephihah” and when asked what the name of a river was, they said “Moronihah”.

That was proof to me as these are the very names given as cities and lands in the BofM. There was no way Joseph could have known that. Books like this one really helped give me a testimony that the Church was true. Why would I even think to question that a book I bought at the Church Bookstore, written by a Mormon scholar would be anything less than truthful?

In wasn’t until many years later that I tried to verify the claims of the book to find out that the author, Jack West, made this stuff up. There are no Native Americans that knew those places as Nephihah and Moronihah.

Those pictures of ancient statues that he said were Egyptian were actually Aztec. I was pretty unnerved to find out I had bolstered my testimony on lies made up by a Mormon scholar that seemed to believe that ‘the ends justifies the means’.

Get people to believe any way you can seemed to be his philosophy. Or maybe he just wanted to sell books and made up stuff to make his case for the BofM stronger than it really was. Current LDS apologists like Kerry Shirts candidly admit Jack West and other zealous LDS authors made stuff up in their books.

http://www.exmormonscholarstestify.org/stephe...
There is no excuse to lie. I haven't seen this particular author. Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry that this person left you with a distaste for all Mormon scholars.
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In reference to post 101219 - SP

The Bible is, and always was, the only Word of God, providing, in its own words, a lamp to our feet, and a light to our paths. The Bible is our only sure guide to heaven, containing all the counsel and guidance we need along what is often a long and difficult journey. As Paul said

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness(2 Timothy 3:16).

However the Bible contains both Old and New Testaments, each with seemingly different teachings and commands, which has led to more than a little confusion for those that have not grasped the seamless relationship between the Old and New Testaments. Many Christians struggle with the tension between the Old Testament emphasis on regulations, and the New Testament emphasis on grace, and are not clear what our relationship to the Old Testament should be, especially when it comes to the Old Testament Laws (particularly the Ten Commandments), and the keeping of the Sabbath and/or other Feasts of the Old Covenant.

For example the Ten Commandments, held in high regard by most Christians, are often prominently displayed on the walls of courtrooms, school rooms, and churches, which leads one to suspect that the vast majority of people (both Christian and non-Christian) believe that the Ten Commandments are foundational laws that all Christians are to conform to.
Which then leaves out the vast majority of the laws of the Old Testament and the question of what we are supposed to make of them. Are any of them applicable to the Christian world? And if so, how are we supposed to decide which are still in effect. What criteria is to be used in making the determination as to which of the laws we follow, and which of them we ignore. There are usually two main schools of thought on the subject.

Some Christians will tell you that the Ten Commandments are timeless moral laws which apply to all Christians for all time, while the rest of the law is not applicable to Christians today.

Others have endeavored to rationalize their beliefs about which of the laws are to be obeyed by making a distinction between ceremonial, civil and moral laws, the last category supposedly the only one that is still to be observed.
Ceremonial, Civil And Moral Laws?
Those that believe that the content of the law is the criterion by which we make our decision as to which of the Mosaic laws are valid for today, also run into huge problems. For starters it has to be noted that no such distinction occurs in Scripture. they have been imposed on the text from outside the text. In any case deciding which category many of the laws fall into, is not as easy as some may think. Any one who gives the matter some thought will realize that the Sabbath law in the Ten Commandments is not a moral law but very clearly a ceremonial one moral and ceremonial commandments often found mixed together in the Old Testament. Also consider

Jesus identified Leviticus 19:18 (You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself) as the second greatest commandment ever. However this verse was directly followed by the commands to not breed together two kinds of your cattle, nor sow fields with two kinds of seed, nor wear clothing woven of two kinds of material" (19:19). Yet many have decided that verse 18 is a timeless moral law, therefore applicable to 21st century Christianity, while commandments in the very next verse are civil law, and therefore can be rejected
However, while instructions on sowing your field may sound like a civil law, it really wasnt.

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Book of Mormon

The Book of Mormon is basically about two groups of peoples that lived in the Americas some 1,000 years apart. They were steel-smelting, chariot-driving, temple-building people that grew so numerous that 2 Million people died in a single battle. Yet there is absolutely no evidence that any of these people ever existed.

The BofM is not backed up by any archeological, anthropological or linguistic evidence. There is no evidence of any Hebrew culture in the Americas as you would expect from descendants of Israel as is the premise of the BofM.

DNA evidence indicate that the natives of the Americas originated from Siberia, and probably came across the Bering Strait, just as scientists have thought for decades and not from the Middle East.

Isn’t it strange that we have found much evidence of many other cultures that existed in the Americas like the Aztecs, Mayans,Toltecs, etc. yet not a single Nephite coin, steel sword, armor, or ‘Reformed Egyptian‘ writing has ever been found which is unbelievable considering the span of Jaredites, Nephites & Lamanites which numbered in the millions over the almost 3,000 years that these various peoples reportedly flourished.

http://www.exmormonscholarstestify.org/stephe...
I refer you to the FARMS website to see that there is some evidence of the BOM people.

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<quoted text>Wounds do not scar over night, takes weeks for the scar to be fully realized, and months for it to be fully formed. Blood, did you have a lab test it? It could be cow's blood, or any of the animal flesh you find in your fridge. If so, it's a waste of good blood, that's where the flavor is. But I digress, the point being, you don't know the details, just what you were fed, and you swallowed without questioning it because you wanted it to be a miracle. Answer this riddle:

A man lies dead on the ground, surrounded by water and blood. How did he die?
Hence the miracle. The scar healed too quickly for science to be the answer.

No, of course I didn't have the blood DNA tested. I don't have a general distrust for my close friends or assume they are too delirious to remember the details of something that happened hours before.
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One of the central themes running throughout Leviticus is the holiness of God. The discourse by God in Leviticus 19 is prefaced by the commandment,Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy. Part of this theme is the teaching that holy things must be kept separate from profane things. While the significance of these commands against mixing seed or mixing cloth material may not be fully understood, it is clear that they relate back to the holiness of God. In fact all of the levitical laws regarding separation seem to relate to the overarching principle of Gods holiness and the separation required because of that holiness. How then can this law not be moral?[1]

Besides which, the moral law of the Old Testament extend well beyond the Ten Commandments. There are commandments that order adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals and those who dishonor their parents to be put to death. For example..

If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head. If a man commits adultery with another mans wifewith the wife of his neighborboth the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death (Leviticus 20:9-10. See also 11-16).

So, when was the last time you heard of an adulterer being given the death sentence in the modern day church? All of which makes me wonder why it is that you can read a thousand articles on a thousand different websites and blogs about all the reasons that the author believes Jesus did not abolish the law, yet you do not read one where the author claims to follow the whole law. I have wondered how many of these articles were written after a bacon breakfast!

Without giving the matter sufficient thought and study, we are picking and choosing which of the Old Testament laws we will and will not obey based merely on whether a law seems to be relevant. The fact of the matter is that the laws of the Old Covenant are


A Unified Whole
As the apostle Paul said in his letter to the Galatians

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.[Galatians 5:2-3] James summed it up best when he said, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10; See also v. 11). The Scripture declares that to keep 612 commandments, and yet fail to keep one, is to break all 613. To break a "ceremonial" law was viewed in the same manner as a "moral" law. Perfect obedience was demanded to all the commands of the covenant, because it was a unified whole.

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<quoted text>Why then was Mary ,the mother of Jehovah, not giving the same respect. Is the Father partial or was Mary just another vagina to be used and thrown to the dogs.
People were able to visibly see His earthly mother. It's be kind of hard to hide her identity. Plus she was part if the miracle of a virgin birth.
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there are several passages in the Old Testament that indicate that the Law, including the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath were given only to the nation of Israel, and that only at a certain point in their history (For instance, no mention is made of any of the patriarchs keeping the Sabbath) it is impossible to keep all the laws which, we need to remember, were given to a very small nation, the sheer smallness of which made possible the physical keeping of some of the laws. Once Peter took the Gospel to the Gentiles, and it began to spread to the furthermost corners of the earth, many of the laws became impossible to keep, becoming even more unworkable as the number of Christians mushroomed.

For example, if God intended the animal sacrifices to continue, why in the world did He let the Temple be destroyed? However even if the Temple were still standing and in Jewish hands, how long do you think it would be before the sheer weight of numbers of Christians converging on Jerusalem three times a year, would make the Israeli authorities throw up their hands in horror and shut down the airports. Chaos doesnt even begin to describe the situation.
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good now try and understand it

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<quoted text>Reads like he is the only God. Says that in multiple places in the O.T. I can see another reason for Judaism to reject LDS teachings.

Isaiah 43:10-11
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

This verse is up for interpretation by many. After all, the Bible was written by humans. I see how this can fuel many different beliefs about who God is and why many are confused about God books.

I see the writer making the use of the word "formed". Like making a god from some substance. Notice also that the word "god"is lower case(possibly indicating lower ranking gods).

Since the word "formed" was use then it would be impossible for Jesus to be formed if the verse was taken literally. Jesus would never have existed.
I'm not one that believes the Bible is inerrant. Men have taken books out of what should have been included in the canon. Men interpreted the scriptures to derive a trinitarian belief. Men interpreted the nature of God as well.
So I believe the Bible so far as it is translated correctly.
There are so many more scriptures that tell us that Jesus and the Father are not the same individual.
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glad I don't have to post the whole chapter..now go read it for yourself.

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<quoted text>If you "know that there is a God", it's not that you don't "need" faith. It's that you don't HAVE faith. You never "need" faith.do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
The blood on the carpet and clothes, the scar, and the boy telling us what happened, along with the eyewitness of both parents is plenty of evidence for me to believe what happened. Especially since I saw the before and after of the carpet and ear. "

I am quite aware of what you've convinced yourself of. You don't need to keep reiterating what you believe. Every logical person here has explained why the basis of your belief would be insufficient as proof.

I will add that I could walk up to any given three year old, pretend to pull a penny out of their ear, and if I was pretty smooth they would be completely convinced that I just pulled a penny out of their ear. What they thought they saw would be enough to convince them. And they would probably argue with people that told them otherwise.
Right, because the boy screaming in pain and freaking at the sight of blood could have been an illusion. All of that pain equates to his dad fooling him like pulling a penny out of his ear.
Haha. Whatever. You say 1 witness is enough, then try your best to discount 3 witnesses.
Proof, evidence, whatever you want to call it, it is convincing enough to me, as it would be to any one of you that had this happen to a close friend of yours that you have always trusted as an honest person, as well as their spouse.

You all claim that miracles aren't possible because they are always a coincidence. I give you a good example of one that could not be coincidence, and you all treat me as if I am a fool. Thanks for fulfilling scripture.

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<quoted text>So you have a crayon drawing from a child as evidence. Your standards for evidence are too low to consider you a thinking person.
Crayon drawing? Excuse me? Mind if I ask how you derived that?

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<quoted text>The JWs are so scared of Smurfs and mgic that they made a cartoon for kids and it's about Sparlock, the warrior wizard. The mom makes the kid throw it away. Its hard to find online anymore but worth watching if you do?

Have you heard anything about bubbling? I understand the no porn policy, the JWs had a strict no policy as well. Some Mormons have found away to make a girl wearing clothes look naked even tho they aren't. It works even tho you actually see less of them but they seem naked. I guess its not considered porn but it is funny. Here's a link if anyone is interested.

http://slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosi...
No I haven't heard of it. But I do agree that porn can tear marriages apart and can cause boys to grow up and see women as less than daughters of God.
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I guess you bible thumpers believe in unicorns and four legged birds too hugh?
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what wrote:
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why do we have poodles, yorkies, pit bulls, wolves, and coyotes on top of that. cuz they are all of the same species in the tree. the same as lions, tigers, cheetahs, and cougars are all the same thing as the little siamese kitten. the monkeys and apes that are here now also evloved from that same ancestor and they evolved in there own direction the same as we did. it takes very little to see what im sayin here if u just look at DNA.
How did they know when to stop evolving?
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I guess you bible thumpers believe in unicorns and four legged birds too hugh?
First we're not Bible thumpers. That's a word you anti-Christ came up for insulting people who witness for God. No we're too smart to believe in those things. Too bad you're too stupid to not ask such a dumb question. Hugh?? Sp/Ch. Go jack yourself off dweeb! Shows how intelligent the comments you offer up here are.

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Hence the miracle. The scar healed too quickly for science to be the answer.
No, of course I didn't have the blood DNA tested. I don't have a general distrust for my close friends or assume they are too delirious to remember the details of something that happened hours before.
Wow, you really didn't even pay attention anything I explained at all, you just want this to be a miracle so much you are willing to avoid all possible answers just so you can still tell yourself it is a miracle. Here are a few facts that should shed some light onto things, but I doubt you will even understand why they happen:

99% of all wounds are unknown to the person, even scratches and cuts will often never be noticed by the living organism, including humans. Even cuts in areas we commonly look at go unnoticed, such as on the hands. Often they heal, even scar, without us ever noticing until one day we notice a small scar of one and can't recall ever getting hurt there.

Most wounds that are "stitched" up by doctors do not actually require stitches, it's a precaution actually, to help reduce the risk of infection ... at least that's what they once thought. Turns out stitches are responsible for more infections than without, thus now doctors prefer to use the medical tape in place of stitches today, or staples if the wound is unable to remain closed with tape.

Even wounds we saw happen are often misrepresented in the memory, many events are, actually. As time goes on, the longer you live, the less likely you are to remember any specific event and the greater the chances of you remembering them incorrectly. This is a compression algorithm employed by the brain itself, so everyone will have this happen. When an event matches another close enough, instead of recording the new event, the brain simply alters some details with the old event to blend the two. A very well known, and understood, phenomenon. Technically, most senility is caused by boredom.

..... that's just a small portion of the facts your "miracle" ignores, a very small portion.

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<quoted text>How did they know when to stop evolving?
Are you completely ignorant? I know your religious leaders want to keep you stupid, and thus they make you feel like being stupid is a good thing, but seriously? Nothing evolves because it "wants" to, and nothing has stopped evolving. Sheesh, pick up a real book once in a while.

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Crayon drawing? Excuse me? Mind if I ask how you derived that?
A child's story based on their memory of the event, assuming they are even being honest and not trying to get attention from adults since I know the Mormons hate actually listening to them ... ironically a crayon drawing from a child would be more reliable, but I gave you a small increase in the quality of the evidence you presented. Then you just ran with assumptions without ever actually looking into it or simply doing what any rational mind would. You considered it a miracle just because you wanted it to be.
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Heheheeee... you are a smart cookie.
"God" is either a sadistic bastard or non-existant.
Let's give "him" the benefit of the doubt and go with the second choice.
No, they happen because of the hate and sin that abounds in the earth. The acts hate filled sinners commit. They commit them because they hate God. Kind of like a person as yourself. The very reason God hates sin. In the 10 commandments alone he told people not to do these things. Kill, lie, cheat, steal, hate, envy but when we put these commandments up in schools etc. you want them took down so you can complain that it is all God's doing that horrible things happen. You hatemongers don't want to see it because you are GUILTY! Don't blame God for your miserable excuse of a life and existence. Keep spewing this venom and you will eventually find yourself hanging at the end of a regretful choice. "Know this one thing, God will not be mocked". Your time is coming. Wait and see.

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