Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,077

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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LEGIONS

Elkhorn City, KY

#101385 Apr 27, 2013
One of the central themes running throughout Leviticus is the holiness of God. The discourse by God in Leviticus 19 is prefaced by the commandment,“Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.” Part of this theme is the teaching that holy things must be kept separate from profane things. While the significance of these commands against mixing seed or mixing cloth material may not be fully understood, it is clear that they relate back to the holiness of God. In fact all of the levitical laws regarding separation seem to relate to the overarching principle of God’s holiness and the separation required because of that holiness. How then can this law not be moral?”[1]

Besides which, the “moral law” of the Old Testament extend well beyond the Ten Commandments. There are commandments that order adulterers, fornicators, homosexuals and those who dishonor their parents to be put to death. For example..

If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head. If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death (Leviticus 20:9-10. See also 11-16).

So, when was the last time you heard of an adulterer being given the death sentence in the modern day church? All of which makes me wonder why it is that you can read a thousand articles on a thousand different websites and blogs about all the reasons that the author believes Jesus did not abolish the law, yet you do not read one where the author claims to follow the whole law. I have wondered how many of these articles were written after a bacon breakfast!

Without giving the matter sufficient thought and study, we are picking and choosing which of the Old Testament laws we will and will not obey based merely on whether a law seems to be relevant. The fact of the matter is that the laws of the Old Covenant are…


A Unified Whole
As the apostle Paul said in his letter to the Galatians

Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.[Galatians 5:2-3] James summed it up best when he said, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (James 2:10; See also v. 11). The Scripture declares that to keep 612 commandments, and yet fail to keep one, is to break all 613. To break a "ceremonial" law was viewed in the same manner as a "moral" law. Perfect obedience was demanded to all the commands of the covenant, because it was a unified whole.

Since: Aug 10

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#101386 Apr 27, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>Why then was Mary ,the mother of Jehovah, not giving the same respect. Is the Father partial or was Mary just another vagina to be used and thrown to the dogs.
People were able to visibly see His earthly mother. It's be kind of hard to hide her identity. Plus she was part if the miracle of a virgin birth.
LEGIONS

Elkhorn City, KY

#101388 Apr 27, 2013
there are several passages in the Old Testament that indicate that the Law, including the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath were given only to the nation of Israel, and that only at a certain point in their history (For instance, no mention is made of any of the patriarchs keeping the Sabbath) it is impossible to keep all the laws which, we need to remember, were given to a very small nation, the sheer smallness of which made possible the physical keeping of some of the laws. Once Peter took the Gospel to the Gentiles, and it began to spread to the furthermost corners of the earth, many of the laws became impossible to keep, becoming even more unworkable as the number of Christians mushroomed.

For example, if God intended the animal sacrifices to continue, why in the world did He let the Temple be destroyed? However even if the Temple were still standing and in Jewish hands, how long do you think it would be before the sheer weight of numbers of Christians converging on Jerusalem three times a year, would make the Israeli authorities throw up their hands in horror and shut down the airports. Chaos doesn’t even begin to describe the situation.
LEGIONS

Elkhorn City, KY

#101389 Apr 27, 2013
good now try and understand it

Since: Aug 10

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#101390 Apr 27, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>Reads like he is the only God. Says that in multiple places in the O.T. I can see another reason for Judaism to reject LDS teachings.

Isaiah 43:10-11
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

This verse is up for interpretation by many. After all, the Bible was written by humans. I see how this can fuel many different beliefs about who God is and why many are confused about God books.

I see the writer making the use of the word "formed". Like making a god from some substance. Notice also that the word "god"is lower case(possibly indicating lower ranking gods).

Since the word "formed" was use then it would be impossible for Jesus to be formed if the verse was taken literally. Jesus would never have existed.
I'm not one that believes the Bible is inerrant. Men have taken books out of what should have been included in the canon. Men interpreted the scriptures to derive a trinitarian belief. Men interpreted the nature of God as well.
So I believe the Bible so far as it is translated correctly.
There are so many more scriptures that tell us that Jesus and the Father are not the same individual.
LEGIONS

Elkhorn City, KY

#101391 Apr 27, 2013
glad I don't have to post the whole chapter..now go read it for yourself.

Since: Aug 10

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#101392 Apr 27, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>If you "know that there is a God", it's not that you don't "need" faith. It's that you don't HAVE faith. You never "need" faith.do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
The blood on the carpet and clothes, the scar, and the boy telling us what happened, along with the eyewitness of both parents is plenty of evidence for me to believe what happened. Especially since I saw the before and after of the carpet and ear. "

I am quite aware of what you've convinced yourself of. You don't need to keep reiterating what you believe. Every logical person here has explained why the basis of your belief would be insufficient as proof.

I will add that I could walk up to any given three year old, pretend to pull a penny out of their ear, and if I was pretty smooth they would be completely convinced that I just pulled a penny out of their ear. What they thought they saw would be enough to convince them. And they would probably argue with people that told them otherwise.
Right, because the boy screaming in pain and freaking at the sight of blood could have been an illusion. All of that pain equates to his dad fooling him like pulling a penny out of his ear.
Haha. Whatever. You say 1 witness is enough, then try your best to discount 3 witnesses.
Proof, evidence, whatever you want to call it, it is convincing enough to me, as it would be to any one of you that had this happen to a close friend of yours that you have always trusted as an honest person, as well as their spouse.

You all claim that miracles aren't possible because they are always a coincidence. I give you a good example of one that could not be coincidence, and you all treat me as if I am a fool. Thanks for fulfilling scripture.

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#101393 Apr 27, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So you have a crayon drawing from a child as evidence. Your standards for evidence are too low to consider you a thinking person.
Crayon drawing? Excuse me? Mind if I ask how you derived that?

Since: Aug 10

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#101394 Apr 27, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>The JWs are so scared of Smurfs and mgic that they made a cartoon for kids and it's about Sparlock, the warrior wizard. The mom makes the kid throw it away. Its hard to find online anymore but worth watching if you do?

Have you heard anything about bubbling? I understand the no porn policy, the JWs had a strict no policy as well. Some Mormons have found away to make a girl wearing clothes look naked even tho they aren't. It works even tho you actually see less of them but they seem naked. I guess its not considered porn but it is funny. Here's a link if anyone is interested.

http://slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosi...
No I haven't heard of it. But I do agree that porn can tear marriages apart and can cause boys to grow up and see women as less than daughters of God.
jack meeoff

Richmond, KY

#101396 Apr 27, 2013
I guess you bible thumpers believe in unicorns and four legged birds too hugh?
Missy

Monticello, KY

#101397 Apr 27, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
why do we have poodles, yorkies, pit bulls, wolves, and coyotes on top of that. cuz they are all of the same species in the tree. the same as lions, tigers, cheetahs, and cougars are all the same thing as the little siamese kitten. the monkeys and apes that are here now also evloved from that same ancestor and they evolved in there own direction the same as we did. it takes very little to see what im sayin here if u just look at DNA.
How did they know when to stop evolving?
Missy

Monticello, KY

#101399 Apr 27, 2013
jack meeoff wrote:
I guess you bible thumpers believe in unicorns and four legged birds too hugh?
First we're not Bible thumpers. That's a word you anti-Christ came up for insulting people who witness for God. No we're too smart to believe in those things. Too bad you're too stupid to not ask such a dumb question. Hugh?? Sp/Ch. Go jack yourself off dweeb! Shows how intelligent the comments you offer up here are.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101400 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Hence the miracle. The scar healed too quickly for science to be the answer.
No, of course I didn't have the blood DNA tested. I don't have a general distrust for my close friends or assume they are too delirious to remember the details of something that happened hours before.
Wow, you really didn't even pay attention anything I explained at all, you just want this to be a miracle so much you are willing to avoid all possible answers just so you can still tell yourself it is a miracle. Here are a few facts that should shed some light onto things, but I doubt you will even understand why they happen:

99% of all wounds are unknown to the person, even scratches and cuts will often never be noticed by the living organism, including humans. Even cuts in areas we commonly look at go unnoticed, such as on the hands. Often they heal, even scar, without us ever noticing until one day we notice a small scar of one and can't recall ever getting hurt there.

Most wounds that are "stitched" up by doctors do not actually require stitches, it's a precaution actually, to help reduce the risk of infection ... at least that's what they once thought. Turns out stitches are responsible for more infections than without, thus now doctors prefer to use the medical tape in place of stitches today, or staples if the wound is unable to remain closed with tape.

Even wounds we saw happen are often misrepresented in the memory, many events are, actually. As time goes on, the longer you live, the less likely you are to remember any specific event and the greater the chances of you remembering them incorrectly. This is a compression algorithm employed by the brain itself, so everyone will have this happen. When an event matches another close enough, instead of recording the new event, the brain simply alters some details with the old event to blend the two. A very well known, and understood, phenomenon. Technically, most senility is caused by boredom.

..... that's just a small portion of the facts your "miracle" ignores, a very small portion.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101401 Apr 27, 2013
Missy wrote:
<quoted text>How did they know when to stop evolving?
Are you completely ignorant? I know your religious leaders want to keep you stupid, and thus they make you feel like being stupid is a good thing, but seriously? Nothing evolves because it "wants" to, and nothing has stopped evolving. Sheesh, pick up a real book once in a while.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101403 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Crayon drawing? Excuse me? Mind if I ask how you derived that?
A child's story based on their memory of the event, assuming they are even being honest and not trying to get attention from adults since I know the Mormons hate actually listening to them ... ironically a crayon drawing from a child would be more reliable, but I gave you a small increase in the quality of the evidence you presented. Then you just ran with assumptions without ever actually looking into it or simply doing what any rational mind would. You considered it a miracle just because you wanted it to be.
Missy

Monticello, KY

#101404 Apr 28, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Heheheeee... you are a smart cookie.
"God" is either a sadistic bastard or non-existant.
Let's give "him" the benefit of the doubt and go with the second choice.
No, they happen because of the hate and sin that abounds in the earth. The acts hate filled sinners commit. They commit them because they hate God. Kind of like a person as yourself. The very reason God hates sin. In the 10 commandments alone he told people not to do these things. Kill, lie, cheat, steal, hate, envy but when we put these commandments up in schools etc. you want them took down so you can complain that it is all God's doing that horrible things happen. You hatemongers don't want to see it because you are GUILTY! Don't blame God for your miserable excuse of a life and existence. Keep spewing this venom and you will eventually find yourself hanging at the end of a regretful choice. "Know this one thing, God will not be mocked". Your time is coming. Wait and see.
schooled

Hindman, KY

#101405 Apr 28, 2013
Growing up I had a Bible class in my school..... I learned verses and recited them and it earned me a week at summer camp..... paid for by churches. Therefore.... I feel there should definitely be separation of church and state. The state should not require any child to participate in any religious activity, be it a Bible study or a prayer or whatever the observance may be. With that being said.... the state also should not prohibit the personal observance of ones religion. Otherwise, church and state are no longer separated, but instead governed. The fundamental principles of christianity and democracy are free will and the pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness have been obstructed. How each person defines happiness is up to who? That person. It doesn't matter if you're 8 or 80. I had a Bible teacher when I was in school,,,,,,, but my mom took me to church at least twice a week.... much more often than I heard the Bible in school...... A Bible school teacher,,, or a Pastor won't save your child's soul,,,, you won't either.
Only God.
schooled

Hindman, KY

#101406 Apr 28, 2013
"that's a fact Jack"
schooled

Hindman, KY

#101407 Apr 28, 2013
Education,,,, is needed in this room. If you want your child to learn about God,,, get up and take them to see a specialist this morning.

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#101408 Apr 28, 2013
Being educated means understanding the bible too.

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