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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142406 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#101482 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I'd believe that was necessary if no short men were reproducing.
I'm not following you. No one said short men weren't reproducing. It's about rates and averages. The average height of the human population is several inches taller now than it was several centuries ago. I'm attempting (albeit unsuccessfully) to explain how that can be explained by evolution. And it's due (at least in part) to reproduction rates. The rate of reproduction for taller men is greater than the reproduction rate of shorter men...on average. Does that make sense?

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#101483 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Of course I questioned. And yes, after months of soul searching study, I did receive an answer that I could not deny was from God.
I asked many questions. And I dug up as much anti-mormon literature I could find. It was interesting how those questions became answers when talking to the missionaries. Even questions that other denominations said we don't know yet.
And I read the Book of Mormon and I studied church doctrine. Believing that Joseph was a prophet came last for me after seeing how God worked through him to build this church.
)Ok so seeing as how you avoid telling us just what form this holy ghost comes to you with answers, I will just assume the answer. I assume you think the holy ghost is guiding your brain to find answers. Of course this is what all religions claim and yet they have so many various answers that they war over the differences. Even other Mormon sects are supposedly getting different messages from this ghost. Thus I find it hard to believe you or anyone is actually being guided by some ghost.
I think you are guided by your preconceived beliefs. You wish to find answers that fit what you wish to find. Seeing as how none of the answers have a shred of evidence, you claim no one can prove you wrong.

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#101484 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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God the Father. The one Jesus prayed to and worshipped. The one that Jesus called the Father.
He is the Father of our spirits.
Still vague, but we are getting a tiny bit of clarification. So their is more than one god? God the father and god the Jesus? Any more gods? Is the holy ghost a god?

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#101485 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I'd believe that was necessary if no short men were reproducing.
Wow. You REALLY don't understand evolution.

And I'm not just trying to insult you. I'm stating fact. Try learning about it before speaking because you're making yourself look like an idiot.

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#101486 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No Jesus did not say it is not written. He was asking them "is it not written?" To remind them that He said this before.
We all are children of God the Father. We are progressing to become more like Him. In that sense, we are gods. That's what He told us.
But if we are not like him, then we are not gods. If we were all gods, it would not make any sense to worship a god.

“There is no god.”

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#101487 Apr 28, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Wow. You REALLY don't understand evolution.
And I'm not just trying to insult you. I'm stating fact. Try learning about it before speaking because you're making yourself look like an idiot.
Toooo late.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

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London, KY

#101488 Apr 28, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>until the big crunch and the singularity
brahma breathes
No big crunch in our future... The rate of expansion of the universe will continue at an ever increasing rate and, If my postulate is correct, the value of c will also increase and the UGC will decrease as it expands until all individual physical particles stop producing EM waves...

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#101489 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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The Koran does not say that Jesus is the Son of God, so no.
So then why do you not believe the claim of the Koran? If holy books are narrowing the path of what god is saying, you sure are ignoring some of the paths.
I think the Koran says Jesus was a prophet, so why do not believe it?

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#101490 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Just look at the studies. I know you believe studies.
Not sure if their is a study that can tell us if religious people are in any more or less healthy environments.
It stands to reason if you tell a gay person they must marry someone of the opposite sex and claim not to be gay, they likely will be in an unhealthy relationship. I know this happens, as I know someone who has been in such a relationship.

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#101491 Apr 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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No big crunch in our future... The rate of expansion of the universe will continue at an ever increasing rate and, If my postulate is correct, the value of c will also increase and the UGC will decrease as it expands until all individual physical particles stop producing EM waves...
Do you think one day in the extremely distant future everything will settle into stationary positions?

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#101492 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Does not seem to stop the progression of things that were taboo 50 years ago
Like what? Like allowing black persons into the hierarchy of the Mormon church?
Society did not wait for the Mormon church to set the moral standard here, and it will not wait for the church to set the standard on who marries. Mormons will be last on that moral standard.

This tells me that the church is behind on morality, not progressive. You see, progression can be of good.

It was once taboo to divorce and thus stay in an abusive relationship.
curious

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#101493 Apr 28, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>I post whole paragraphs with the book, chapter and verse so you can look it up yourself. So do you want to try another angle?
Yes,you do post whole paragraphs,chapter and verse.
The problem is,you do not understand the meaning of that which you are posting.
When you posted these verses from the Bible,you claimed that the Old Testament was to be abided by ,until the end of human existence,and that is false,and I explained to you why it is false.

(")“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”(Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.")

Jesus never said that the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence

What he did say,is 1)“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED.
You failed to understand what "ALL IS ACCOMPLISHED" means It means to fulfill
as stated by Jesus
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill
In other words,He fulfilled that which is stated in the Law,the 10 commandments,by not violating any of them.
Something,no one had previously accomplished,nor has any one since.
He fulfilled what the Prophets had foretold about him,specifically The Prophecy: Isaiah 52:13-53:12[4],among others.
He established a New Covenant,as foretold in the Old Testament;
Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts.

This is all confirmed in the New Testament,and specifically,how this transformation was to come about.
When confronted with these facts,you are unwilling to believe them,but are powerless to logically refute them.
Other than to say,I don't believe in God,therefore they are not true.
But,on the other hand,you are willing to believe and quote Jesus,in order to confirm your erroneous opinions

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#101494 Apr 28, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not following you. No one said short men weren't reproducing. It's about rates and averages. The average height of the human population is several inches taller now than it was several centuries ago. I'm attempting (albeit unsuccessfully) to explain how that can be explained by evolution. And it's due (at least in part) to reproduction rates. The rate of reproduction for taller men is greater than the reproduction rate of shorter men...on average. Does that make sense?
Yes that makes some sense

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

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London, KY

#101495 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What is the purpose of us growing taller today? Basketball? To reach things on the tallest shelf?
There is no Purpose... Evolutions does not have a plan and direction... It is what it is... I would venture it is a due to the vast majority that live the longest have better diets and less death and disease along with self selection where tall, straight people have a better chance of finding a mate and procreating along with shorter populations on the past being able to mate with diverse taller populations that did no occur in our isolation of the past... North Korea is on Average several inches shorter than the world norm due to such isolation and poor diet for just a few decades... Evolution is simple a species ability to adapt to the conditions presented, There is no purpose or direction...

Say Tomorrow we have a 40 degree crustal shift.... Placing the north pole down around England, causing earth quakes, 1000 foot tsunamis, volcanoes and all sorts of catastrophe and just a few 10's of 1000's of humans survive the event we would be left with a reduced gene pool and a new set of environmental conditions to contend with... What Man would look like, how he would adapt in form and structure in the following 30 or 40 thousand years may be completely different than the form and structure we have today...

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#101496 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Yes that makes some sense
This would not be news to you if you'd bothered to learn about things before you criticize them.

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#101497 Apr 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>)Ok so seeing as how you avoid telling us just what form this holy ghost comes to you with answers, I will just assume the answer. I assume you think the holy ghost is guiding your brain to find answers. Of course this is what all religions claim and yet they have so many various answers that they war over the differences. Even other Mormon sects are supposedly getting different messages from this ghost. Thus I find it hard to believe you or anyone is actually being guided by some ghost.
I think you are guided by your preconceived beliefs. You wish to find answers that fit what you wish to find. Seeing as how none of the answers have a shred of evidence, you claim no one can prove you wrong.
No one asked me how I experience the Holy Ghost, or I would have answered that question.

I have felt His presence by spontaneous knowledge that I didn't have previously. I have physically felt His presence in response to a question I asked in prayer, in a manner that affected my strength and my mind at the same time. I have felt a physical touch in the middle of a prayer led by someone else that was trying to convince me that my beliefs were wrong. And I have been given thoughts in my own head that were not of me with instruction to do something for the benefit of my family (which had I not followed, I would have been killed). And I have felt His promptings when about to encounter something dangerous.
These are the ways that I feel His influence.
None of these experiences are proof to anyone but the person that experienced it. So if you really want to know, try for yourself.

I'd like to hear how others feel His presence and guidance.

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#101498 Apr 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Still vague, but we are getting a tiny bit of clarification. So their is more than one god? God the father and god the Jesus? Any more gods? Is the holy ghost a god?
The three make up what we call the Godhead. They each have a purpose.

And yes, we are all gods, as the scriptures tell us. But we are not subject to each other.

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#101499 Apr 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>But if we are not like him, then we are not gods. If we were all gods, it would not make any sense to worship a god.
We are progressing to become more like Him. He tells us that if we follow His commandments we will be joint heirs with Christ and inherit the Kingdom of God.

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#101500 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I can't say this any more clearly than this: Jesus and God the Father are not the same being. Both have their own body of flesh and bone. Do you understand this answer?
The Father (God) is the Father of all our spirits. And He is also the physical Father of Jesus Christ which is why He is called the only begotten Son.
Is that clear enough for you to understand?
I don't speak in code so I'm not sure why you have so much trouble comprehending me.
The Holy Ghost can answer anyone. However the LDS church is the only church to claim the Father and the Son, along with 3 resurrected apostles and angels restored the church.
Still not very clear. If you think only a few words is all it takes to define what your gods are, then I can understand why you think it is a simple concept. It is not a simple concept.
You say here that he is a son of god, but preface it with "begotten", which means "only or unique", so you must understand why I am confused as to why you continue to claim is not the son of god. Just what part of "son" is Jesus not?

So you think the LDS has some inside info from the holy ghost? You do know that other sects and denominations claim to consult a holy ghost. So can you tell me a plausible reason they are not being told the LDS story?

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#101501 Apr 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So then why do you not believe the claim of the Koran? If holy books are narrowing the path of what god is saying, you sure are ignoring some of the paths.
I think the Koran says Jesus was a prophet, so why do not believe it?
Jesus was more than a prophet. He is the Son of God and the messiah. Since I have received a testimony that Jesus is the Christ and the Son of God, any book that says otherwise, will be discounted. There are some wise words in there, but they are not scripture.

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