Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,599

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#101423 Apr 28, 2013
schooled wrote:
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Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, "Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."
You should go door to door so I can slam the screen door on your foot... Your Useless drivel only displays your lack of intellect...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#101424 Apr 28, 2013
schooled wrote:
Matthew 7:20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Quantummist 2:7 "Who gives a rats ass"
GWB

Roseville, CA

#101425 Apr 28, 2013
schooled wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, "Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."
You take things out of context just like the Pharisees and wrongly apply them.

The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.

Jesus was talking a great deal about money, and how to use it.... Those things which men highly esteem, Jesus said, are an abomination to God (Luke 16:15).
GWB

Roseville, CA

#101426 Apr 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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They have never stopped evolving... even human have Never stopped evolving... Just a few hundred years ago the Average human was several inches shorter than the Average human today... Our genetic makeup has been altered by our own technological advancements and ability to mix with previously separated populations.. But we as a species have lived in a fairly stable eco system for 1000's of years so change is very slow because environmental pressures do not force faster adaptations.. But placed in a Drastically different environment that rate of change speeds up Dramatically.. For example when humans are placed in space under zero G our bodies drop calcium very fast and muscle mass deteriorates.. Not that's not a problem except that you have to come back to earth and such adaptation could kill you if allowed to continue.. but place a small group of humans in space for several generations and the offspring might not even be recognizable as Human Being...
Good post, Q
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#101427 Apr 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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We don't Need anything... It's the way it works in Nature... Slow evolutionary changes punctuated by catastrophic events killing off large percentages of species that quickly adapt to fit the new environments followed by slow evolutionary changes until the next catastrophic event.....
until the big crunch and the singularity

brahma breathes

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101428 Apr 28, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>
The JWs are so scared of Smurfs and mgic that they made a cartoon for kids and it's about Sparlock, the warrior wizard. The mom makes the kid throw it away. Its hard to find online anymore but worth watching if you do?
Have you heard anything about bubbling? I understand the no porn policy, the JWs had a strict no policy as well. Some Mormons have found away to make a girl wearing clothes look naked even tho they aren't. It works even tho you actually see less of them but they seem naked. I guess its not considered porn but it is funny. Here's a link if anyone is interested.
http://slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosi...
Oh man, that's great! And it is SOOO in keeping with the way the LDS works in the first place. Hide the bits you don't want to look at, focus on the stuff you do want to look at, and pretend it is something that it clearly is not!

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Joseph Smith and his Amazing Hat Trick. For 10% of everything you earn we will teach it to you.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#101429 Apr 28, 2013
schooled wrote:
Luke: Chapter 8. vs. 10: And he said, "Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand."
mysteries = occult knowledge

occult terms in the nt

Romans 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Ephesians 3:10
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Colossians 1:16
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Titus 3:1
Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

he wasn't the only one either

jude uses the terms dominion and power too

[3].

john the revelator was an occultist/kabbalist.

john the revelator was also a kabbalist given his inferences to terms in kabbalah

666 = base mind

1000 = conqueror

crown = kether is mentioned 9 times in revelation = fiery heavens remember they will burn with fervent heat

wisdom = chochmah is mentioned 4 times in revelation = twelve tribes or a complete revolution

glory = hod is mentioned 18 times in revelation = mercury

understanding = binah is mentioned in 13:18 = saturn the scythe bearer = satan the gatherer/harvester with the fan

Luke 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

abyss(bottomless pit)= ein sof is mentioned 9 times. fyi 9 is perfection of the spirit and the abyss is first mentioned in ch. 9 vers 1. the UNCREATED CREATOR or FORMLESS ONE

The Zohar explains the term "Ein Sof" as follows:
ď Before He gave any shape to the world, before He produced any form, He was alone, without form and without resemblance to anything else. Who then can comprehend how He was before the Creation? Hence it is forbidden to lend Him any form or similitude, or even to call Him by His sacred name, or to indicate Him by a single letter or a single point.... But after He created the form of the Heavenly Man, He used him as a chariot wherein to descend, and He wishes to be called after His form, which is the sacred name 'YHWH'.

foundation = jesod is mentioned 4 times in revelation = moon

victory = netsah is mentioned in rev 15:2 = venus

kingdom = malchuth is mentioned 6 times in revelations = elements

twelve tribes = zodiac is mentioned 10 times in revelation

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#101430 Apr 28, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =GgkTbQc63G0XX
Disgusting.
Wow. I am speechless. That video made me actually feel nauseated. The level of indoctrination in some of these sects truly is disgusting. The way the mom is playing on the fears of the child, talking down to him while basically threatening him with the anger of God...over a stupid toy.

And the sad part is that they really do think this way.

And the degree of insecurity and self-loathing this causes in people is tragic. You have to live with blinders on and ignore your honest feelings in order to just fit into these nuthouse sects.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#101431 Apr 28, 2013
schooled wrote:
Revelation 3:18 "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich: and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
tried in fire, tested in reality against belief and understood that the LAW is ONE and not exclusively christian. the LAW of ONE is not a respecter of men, even christian.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101432 Apr 28, 2013
I am waiting wrote:
<quoted text>
Even though I have givin S/P hell over being gay, I don't hate gay people, and I do think most churches are doing wrong by turning people away because they are gay, or trying to 'fix them'! If some people are born as twins, joined at the head or waist, why is it so hard to belive someone can be born in one sex with the oppisite gender? I think most churches are walking on dangerous ground, in their doctrine of stupidity! Now I will piss both sides off, but I do not care.
You know, most Christians are not gay bashers. Its just that the ones who do it are loud and stupid.

According to Gallup, the acceptance of homosexual relationships as normal is over 54% now. Among the younger generation, born in 2000 or after, it is way over 70% or 80%.

If Christianity is going to survive it is going to have to ditch some of these hateful old ideas about human sexuality. Do you remember that insane preacher last year that said we should put gay men behind a fence and lesbians behind another fence? What an idiot. Then there was another pastor who said the government should kill homosexuals, according to the Bible.

Knuckle dragging goofheads like that need to go away. And they will, in time. I'm sure we'll always have some minority of total a**hats but on the whole it is getting better.

It is good that you think this way. It is good that you are not one of the nutters calling for gays to be killed or imprisoned.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#101433 Apr 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Being educated means understanding the bible too.
Yes, so they can see what kind of smut you all worship and avoid your religion like the plague.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101434 Apr 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
This "Imaginary Friend ,as you call him,is my Best Friend.
This Imaginary Friend has helped me resolve some Real life problems
that I've had to face when no one else was able to help me
But ,that is what Best Frieds are for..
This Imaginary Friend has also made me become very aware of the many faults I posses,has helped me deal with them and has given me a Peace of mind that I had never experienced before.
As he said" My Peace I leave with You,not as the world knows it"
He has been my Friend and advisor.
The only payment he requires is that I be obedient to his teachings,which have proven themselves to be excellent.
let me ask you ;
Do you have a friend that you can compare to my "Imaginary Friend"?
My wife.

Also my best friend.

Also a few other good friends.

And they are all real. I watched a movie with one of them the other day. We drank some terrible beer.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101435 Apr 28, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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If you "know that there is a God", it's not that you don't "need" faith. It's that you don't HAVE faith. You never "need" faith.<quoted text>
I am quite aware of what you've convinced yourself of. You don't need to keep reiterating what you believe. Every logical person here has explained why the basis of your belief would be insufficient as proof.
I will add that I could walk up to any given three year old, pretend to pull a penny out of their ear, and if I was pretty smooth they would be completely convinced that I just pulled a penny out of their ear. What they thought they saw would be enough to convince them. And they would probably argue with people that told them otherwise.
I'm enjoying your posts. Keep it up!

The magician analogy is very good. We already know that a ton of faith healers, psychics, and other frauds are essentially doing stage magic to fool people into believing in magic powers.

The idea that someone could pray and have a miracle take place is magical thinking. And insulting, IMHO. It suggests that people who suffer, pray, and still suffer are not doing it as well. Or that God just likes them better.

Then they say "well we can't understand God's plan". Really? Then how exactly can you claim to have seen a miracle? Once you state that you can't understand God's sense of morality or justice then how can you ever look at any situation and make a claim about what God is doing?

It's just dumb.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101436 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There is no excuse to lie. I haven't seen this particular author. Thanks for sharing. I'm sorry that this person left you with a distaste for all Mormon scholars.
Mormon scholars are apologists for the BoM. Apologists are basically professional rhetoricians, seeking to uphold a particular belief even in the face of evidence against it.

I love reading apologists' work because it really sharpens your critical thinking skills. They twist words, apply their reasons unevenly, and pull every dirty trick in the book to make their case. Kind of like a trial lawyer arguing that Gacy didn't do it.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101437 Apr 28, 2013
LEGIONS wrote:
In reference to post 101219 - SP
The Bible is, and always was, the only Word of God, providing, in itís own words, a lamp to our feet, and a light to our paths. The Bible is our only sure guide to heaven, containing all the counsel and guidance we need along what is often a long and difficult journey.
You would benefit from reading Kugel's "How to Read the Bible". Especially the parts pertaining to Modern Bible Scholarship. It seems that archeology and history do not paint such a harmonious picture of the good ole book.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#101438 Apr 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Right, because the boy screaming in pain and freaking at the sight of blood could have been an illusion. All of that pain equates to his dad fooling him like pulling a penny out of his ear.
Haha. Whatever. You say 1 witness is enough, then try your best to discount 3 witnesses.
Proof, evidence, whatever you want to call it, it is convincing enough to me, as it would be to any one of you that had this happen to a close friend of yours that you have always trusted as an honest person, as well as their spouse.
You all claim that miracles aren't possible because they are always a coincidence. I give you a good example of one that could not be coincidence, and you all treat me as if I am a fool. Thanks for fulfilling scripture.
Dude, my kid FREAKS OUT over a bug bite. If he sees blood he goes into fits. Why is it impossible to you that this was a case of a much less significant wound that bled a lot and a whole lot of people freaked out by it?

In retrospect we can paint events in just about any light we want. In controlled studies people show that they have terrible memories or that their ability to notice things is not very good. Check this one out:

http://bigthink.com/videos/missing-the-200-po...

If people can miss the gorilla in the video or the woman with the umbrella then why do you think the ear situation was reported accurately? Our brains are amazing machines but we have a much higher opinion of our memory and ability to evaluate situations than we should have.

We reject your miracle because all evidence and reason screams that it is not what you think it is. Why would I ignore this fact and put faith in your idea? If my best friend told me a similar story I would not think it was a miracle. I would think he misread the whole event.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#101439 Apr 28, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Mormon scholars are apologists for the BoM. Apologists are basically professional rhetoricians, seeking to uphold a particular belief even in the face of evidence against it.
I love reading apologists' work because it really sharpens your critical thinking skills. They twist words, apply their reasons unevenly, and pull every dirty trick in the book to make their case. Kind of like a trial lawyer arguing that Gacy didn't do it.
an apologist is anyone who defends something. try being honest in the future.

even old school scientist tend to be apologetics for newer ideas that call into question old school understanding.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#101440 Apr 28, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm enjoying your posts. Keep it up!
The magician analogy is very good. We already know that a ton of faith healers, psychics, and other frauds are essentially doing stage magic to fool people into believing in magic powers.
The idea that someone could pray and have a miracle take place is magical thinking. And insulting, IMHO. It suggests that people who suffer, pray, and still suffer are not doing it as well. Or that God just likes them better.
Then they say "well we can't understand God's plan". Really? Then how exactly can you claim to have seen a miracle? Once you state that you can't understand God's sense of morality or justice then how can you ever look at any situation and make a claim about what God is doing?
It's just dumb.
science knows from the placebo effect that modern scientific remedies can be ineffectual based on the patients belief/unbelief.

this isn't rocket science. a persons willingness to participate in a regimen is going to make the success more probable only through participation and the belief that it will work.

u can lead a horse to water but no matter how much you believe he needs to drink, the horse isn't going to take a sup until it wants to do so.

common sense
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#101441 Apr 28, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>jesus isn't the ABSOLUTE. you are a liar.
Whatever you WANT to believe....
I'll stick with the truth!

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#101442 Apr 28, 2013
I am waiting wrote:
<quoted text>
So now, since you have Googled my address ' that DON'T exist'' you now want to meet me elsewhere? What if that address don't exist eiher? And You are gay!
The address you posted is a acant lot, Nice try coward

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