Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,917

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101271 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I was talking about society, not religions. I think they will hold fast to their beliefs of marriage.
And I disagree about the increasing divorce rate. Look at the divorce rate of the LDS church.
Society is composed of people in religions. If you wish to separate the two, then use the words properly to do so.
The divorce rates of the LDS church do not tell me if children are being born in a planed manner. They do not tell me if the family is in a healthy state.
Many who believe it is so immoral to divorce, often stay in very unhealthy relationships, and often abusive relationships to the point marriage is doing more harm than good.
Many who wait till marriage to have sex often marry just to have sex. This should not be a reason to marry, and logically this urge could often lead on into marrying the wrong person.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101272 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I was talking about society, not religions. I think they will hold fast to their beliefs of marriage.
And I disagree about the increasing divorce rate. Look at the divorce rate of the LDS church.
Most of American society is of some religion.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101273 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
We are subject to Jesus Christ. Jesus was Jehovah (YHWH) in the OT. So He is God to us. He is the mediator between us and the Father. Everything that was created was through Jesus Christ. He carried out the Father's plan.
Jesus does not know everything that the Father knows. We are told that not even Jesus knows the day when He will return. Only the Father knows.
Jesus had finished His mission. He had fulfilled every prophesy foretold of Him. I believe that the scene on the cross made the Father weep. And for that moment, Jesus did not feel the presence of the Father.
Most Mormons do believe like I believe. And yes, it is because of the Holy Ghost. If we hadn't felt that confirmation, we would have left the church. And from my experience, you can't be a fence-sitter with this church. Once someone has learned a great deal about the doctrine of this church and felt the Holy Ghost attest to its truthfulness, they either embrace it, or they slowly become more and more disenchanted to the point where they attack their old beliefs and the church. Either way, they can't seem to leave it alone. It is always an active part of their life.
As I said before. The HG confirms truth. There is truth in most all churches. Like for example, most all Christian churches believe they must be baptized. But by sprinkling or immersion? With authority or without? The truth of baptism is felt, but the ordinance can be performed incorrectly and have no meaning.
So by your reasoning, the holy ghost is not answering most Christians questions, only the Mormons questions?

I was active in the church for about five years. So if I am confused as to just what Mormons believe, then I think maybe they should start answering questions more clearly. You sure don't answer clearly, if you chose to answer at all.

Now if Jesus was here to die for our sins, why would the father be sad when this took place?

I don't think you have explained why Jesus is not the son of god. I was under the impression Mary was impregnated by god, so does this not mean he is the fathers son?
Or did god impregnate Mary with himself?

Your answer has only confused my more so.

Either you cannot give a clear answer, or maybe their is not clear answer possible. This leads me to believe the concept is not logical or plausible.

BTW all religions claim as you did about me. So are all these religions correct or do they all just know the same propaganda technique?
athiest

Chicago, IL

#101274 Apr 27, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
I'm a strong athiest, I can tell you right now, the reason for my beliefs... or lack there of is because I read the Bible. Separation of church and state! It's a government funded school system, whith children of various backgrounds attend. Shoving Bible lessons down their throats is nothing short of brainwash.
'Ok, little Bobby. Fear the lord or you'll burn in hell for eternity.'
open your eyes, people.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101275 Apr 27, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Only if they repent, and want to sin no more....
you cannot serve God, and lust!
What if your lusting for knowledge? Do you know what the word "lust" means? It means intense emotional desire. But I can see how your dirty mind works.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#101276 Apr 27, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you want to believe...
But it does not surprise me that you still like Osama....
Seems many of your kind are jumping ship... hoping you were one!
The reports of Obama supporters jumping ship have been grossly exaggerated. Note the claim was before the election,yet Obama still beat Mitt by a long shot.

Since: Aug 10

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#101277 Apr 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So did the holy ghost tell you to ignore Jesus' command? You agreed with the point yet continue anyway?
I didn't consider you swine.

Since: Aug 10

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#101278 Apr 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe this claim without question? Are you sure the claim is not as wrong as that of Brigham Young's claims? I guess the holy ghost cleared it all up for you?
Of course I questioned. And yes, after months of soul searching study, I did receive an answer that I could not deny was from God.
I asked many questions. And I dug up as much anti-mormon literature I could find. It was interesting how those questions became answers when talking to the missionaries. Even questions that other denominations said we don't know yet.
And I read the Book of Mormon and I studied church doctrine. Believing that Joseph was a prophet came last for me after seeing how God worked through him to build this church.

Since: Aug 10

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#101279 Apr 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So can you clarify without being vague? Just what does "the father" mean here?
God the Father. The one Jesus prayed to and worshipped. The one that Jesus called the Father.
He is the Father of our spirits.

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#101280 Apr 27, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>No, it is. Your description of both of them requires information that is hearsay. You don't know how either of them got there or when they appeared. You believe what another person says on both accounts. Hearsay. This isn't a difficult concept.
I would have seen the scar before. So you are wrong.
I saw the child just before the accident and after. I saw the floor at the foot of the stairs before the accident and just after.
And the child was too young to make up the story of how it all happened.
Sorry, but you are wrong. There is no explanation other than God's hand in this situation.

Since: Aug 10

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#101281 Apr 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>This clears up nothing.
First, you cite John(fallible prophet)that claims Jesus claimed "it is not written in your law". So where do you get that it was a law that he made in Old testament times?

So Psalms (not sure what fallible person wrote this) claims Jesus claims,"Ye are all gods". So who is the "ye" here?

This all just makes the word "god" not sound so important.

As you must know, many believers interpret these verses in many ways(evidently the holy ghost lacks consistency) so you must see we also might be confused on just what it means and why?
No Jesus did not say it is not written. He was asking them "is it not written?" To remind them that He said this before.

We all are children of God the Father. We are progressing to become more like Him. In that sense, we are gods. That's what He told us.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#101282 Apr 27, 2013
curious wrote:
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If you had understood the previous verse ,
Luke16;16,16 THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE PREACHED UNTIL JOHN. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it
You would have realized how wrong your conclusion is.
SP WROTE
)3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)
What you quoted in MATT5;17 is correct, but, then, you commit the error of interpreting Scripture ,in exactly the opposite manner,as what you posted. You gave it a personal interpretation
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter OF PERSONAL INTERPRETATION, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF GOD.
Meaning ,THAT ONLY THOSE UNDER THE influence OF God can interpret it correctly
Since your interpretation was not influenced by God and is clearly erroneous,is further evidence of the accuracy of Scriptures
3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
Hmmm, what is written in the bible or what some self serving christian says, what to believe? Nether because they are both made up to promote you over every one else

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101283 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no explanation other than God's hand in this situation.
Sorry, but if you believe this then you are literally crazy and there is no point discussing the matter. And you also have no faith, as you have convinced yourself (no matter how intellectually dishonest it may be) that there is PROOF of your God performing miracles.

If real miracles happened, real people would have real proof of them. Even the most skeptical objective person could not deny the existence a higher power. There are over seven billion individuals on this planet, and not one of them has a shred of real proof of miracles to give the rest of the world. Just stories.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#101284 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Ooh ohh ah ah
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........res pect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#101285 Apr 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Simply ask your holy ghost. He clears all this stuff up, yet for some reason he gives different answers to different people.
Now just because this has no logic, does not mean it is not true. You must just have faith it is true because I said so. Now eat your peas.
Are you on drugs? My holy ghost? Lmao.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#101286 Apr 27, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but if you believe this then you are literally crazy and there is no point discussing the matter. And you also have no faith, as you have convinced yourself (no matter how intellectually dishonest it may be) that there is PROOF of your God performing miracles.
If real miracles happened, real people would have real proof of them. Even the most skeptical objective person could not deny the existence a higher power. There are over seven billion individuals on this planet, and not one of them has a shred of real proof of miracles to give the rest of the world. Just stories.
Not crazy just an idiot like all religies.
TruthIs

London, KY

#101287 Apr 27, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious.
Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........res pect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......
You must eat a page from YOUR unholyhatebabblebook every day.

God, your posts are wretched.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#101288 Apr 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If this was in front of an audience, you may have a valid point. But in the case of a man and his child getting hurt, we are not talking about magic shows.
I can't find any other explanation of how this all took place in a very short amount of time. The scar was healed up completely with no scans left, but there was still blood stains behind his ear.
You were the audience. You may not have paid admission for it, but you witnessed a magic show. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not implying your friends lied to you about the events that took place. I'm saying that it may not have happened the way they remember it. The mind is a funny thing and has countless methods of screwing with us. Entire memories can be created (vividly even) by nothing more than suggestion. I'd post links to articles, but I know you won't go there. It's worth investigating on your own though. A great way to kill a rainy afternoon...

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#101289 Apr 27, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but if you believe this then you are literally crazy and there is no point discussing the matter. And you also have no faith, as you have convinced yourself (no matter how intellectually dishonest it may be) that there is PROOF of your God performing miracles.
If real miracles happened, real people would have real proof of them. Even the most skeptical objective person could not deny the existence a higher power. There are over seven billion individuals on this planet, and not one of them has a shred of real proof of miracles to give the rest of the world. Just stories.
There is no "proof" of their god, the sky critter does not exist, just delusional sheepies.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#101290 Apr 27, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it is. Your description of both of them requires information that is hearsay. You don't know how either of them got there or when they appeared. You believe what another person says on both accounts. Hearsay. This isn't a difficult concept.
It's not hearsay, it's an idiot listening toooo and believeing bull excrement, kinda like when they read the bible and when the church leader clangs.....

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