Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#101046 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No. I didn't. I'm explaining that scientists change their minds because of new evidence found.
Of course they do. That's the rational response to new evidence being found.
do whut wrote:
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Therefore, for over 50 years we were taught incorrect information about dinosaurs because not all the required evidence was found to make the correct claims in these cases. All my old textbooks and children's books that include a brontosaurus are just as incorrect as "the world is flat" thinking.
So, are you saying that the theory of birds evolving from dinosaurs is no longer the prevailing theory? This is news to me.

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#101047 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Really?
Ok the first decades of the church were surrounded by debt, so we now teach self reliance and no debt. That's sound advice regardless of religion.
And magic underwear? I hope you were joking.
Yes, don't get your magic underwear in a bunch, the whole post was a joke.

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#101048 Apr 26, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Don't put your stupid strawman words in my mouth, idiot. I, and any other scientific mind, will believe a miracle occurred when there is evidence for one. The same as any other observed process in this universe. There is not, and never has been, evidence for a miracle. I can't tell if you're intentionally being an intelligence insulting douchebag, or you say these things because you really think I'm that stupid and actually have those beliefs. I will respect that you have at least some level of intelligence and go with the former.

And I don't care what you were taught or what people might have hypothesized decades ago... birds ARE theropod dinosaurs. There is NO valid debate on that, as there is too much supporting evidence. There is debate concerning other specifics of how they may have evolved (as is typical), but the only thing detractors of this current and almost universally held belief have to argue over is a weak phalangeal differentiation.
I still do not see what post you are responding to. It looks like you are just commenting and did not include which post you are responding to.
Which post is your first rant referring to?

As far as the dinosaur response. I'm not refuting that dinosaurs and birds are not of common ancestry. I'm reminding everyone that 20 years ago, not everyone agreed. The majority of scientists overwhelmingly agreed that they were all cold-blooded and shared ancestry with reptiles and not birds. My point is, scientists can draw the wrong conclusion with what evidence they have, and then completely change their stance when more or different evidence comes forth.

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#101049 Apr 26, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Every one has a bible, most have many different verses and books. Your bible says something that the JW bible does not yet the JW says things the KJV does not and so on and so on.
So every sect made their own bible, nothing godly about that
Hey, I bet I can write a bible that says my beliefs are godly
Most of what the KJV includes can be closely compared to the Geneva Bible. I don't read Hebrew, Greek, or Latin so that's the best I have to come closest to original scripts

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#101050 Apr 26, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>No, because there is no such address, I checked because I am going through Tenn. in a couple of months.
I was hoping to hear the results of this one. Haha

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#101051 Apr 26, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Science proved your religion wrong time after time, Starting with the world being round, no godly heaven found above the earth, cultures and societies around the world that did not get flooded out, no army found in the red sea, etc....
Your whole bible and religion has been proven false.
Some of what we read in the Bible are people's interpretations of what they were shown, like Revelations for example. People hear a voice from above, so they assume Heaven is in the clouds for example.
No remains of Egyptian armies in the Red Sea however, does not prove that it didn't happen. I remember it being on the news when I was in grade school about a formation of rocks found in the Red Sea that scholars said resembled an altar and could be the altar built to thank God for saving them. You can still find it if you google it, but I don't believe that would ever be conclusive as proof that it happened.

What cultures did not flood out? I've never heard this argument. I don't think anyone knows when the flood occurred for sure.

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#101052 Apr 26, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
And those societies and cultures where around for ten thousand years before your mythical flood.
China has written history from before your flood and they did not get wiped out.
Egypt, an advanced culture has written history from before your flood, they did not get wiped out.
Your bible is a story written to promote a race of people above all others and to justify their hate, blood lust, perversion, theft, and evil
Again, how does anyone know when the flood occurred? Adding up the genealogy listed in the Bible? We don't know if that is complete and we don't know how long they lived. I'm not an "earth is 6000 years old" Christian.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101053 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I still do not see what post you are responding to. It looks like you are just commenting and did not include which post you are responding to.
Which post is your first rant referring to?
Your computer/phone/tablet is broken.

I was referring to the logical fallacy you made wherein I require 100% of the population of the Earth to witness something firsthand before I accept it as true.
do whut wrote:
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As far as the dinosaur response. I'm not refuting that dinosaurs and birds are not of common ancestry. I'm reminding everyone that 20 years ago, not everyone agreed. The majority of scientists overwhelmingly agreed that they were all cold-blooded and shared ancestry with reptiles and not birds. My point is, scientists can draw the wrong conclusion with what evidence they have, and then completely change their stance when more or different evidence comes forth.
I fail to see ANY negatives in your 'point'. Are you trying to tell me that it's better to form some belief hundreds/thousands of years ago based on weak evidence and then never change it, no matter what evidence we uncover? I know you'll say that you aren't, but how would anyone get that by looking at the things you say here?
do whut wrote:
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I was hoping to hear the results of this one. Haha
http://i.imgur.com/fzuOrJr.jpg
That's the nearest house to that location. But since it's a rural road, it could be a mile away from there. Still, would be very easy to find if one were on the road.

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#101054 Apr 26, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Of course they do. That's the rational response to new evidence being found.

do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Therefore, for over 50 years we were taught incorrect information about dinosaurs because not all the required evidence was found to make the correct claims in these cases. All my old textbooks and children's books that include a brontosaurus are just as incorrect as "the world is flat" thinking. "

So, are you saying that the theory of birds evolving from dinosaurs is no longer the prevailing theory? This is news to me.
No, I'm saying the opposite. They used to think that Dinos were cold-blooded and that reptiles came from them.
And my point was, more discoveries will continue to come forth so theories are subject to change.

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#101055 Apr 26, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, don't get your magic underwear in a bunch, the whole post was a joke.
Disclaimer for all, Mormons do not believe in magic underwear.
Our temple related undergarments are used to remind us of covenants that we made with our Father in Heaven. They also remind us to remain modest. They are representative of the skins made for Adam and Eve to hide their nakedness.
Any reference to magic underwear is just an attempt to make Mormons look stupid.
curious

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#101056 Apr 26, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
"can gloat and say "I told you so".
So,the fact that both occurences happened on the same day and date,at the same time,makes time very relevant AND can not be dismissed by stating that I was somehow tricked
UUUUM wrote
1)NO. They can EASILY be dismissed as you being tricked. Because you were. There is no connection and none can be drawn. It is a complete coincidence and irrelevant.


let me show you why it is relevant,based on the teachings of scripture;


&#9668; Isaiah 65:24 &#9658;
I will answer them before they even call to me. While they are still talking about their needs, I will go ahead and answer their prayers!

So,the lady calls me at about 9;00am to provide me with the information that will lead me to finding my dog and that is exactly the time when I was praying for his return.
That,to you,is a coincidence,that can be easily dismissed as my having been tricked.
I,on the other hand,believing God,can not dismiss it as irrelevant,since ,to me ,it only serves to validate what scripture teaches...


2). My hypothesis was developed by taking known facts about both your situation and how the human mind works AND is entirely probable.


The known facts about my situation,on which you based your hypothesis,do not seem to be highly probable. The lady in question had very little reason,if any,to search for the owner of the dog,She did not find him,she did not have him in her possession and no one had asked her to search for it's owner.
She could give no reason as to why she decided to look in the lost pets section of the paper,something she had never had a reason to do before.
When she looked and read the ads, based on her recollection of what the dog looked like she could not find any ad that described my dog,INCLUDING my ad.
In spite of the fact that she believed that the description in my ad did not fit the description of the dog in question,she decided to call me anyway. That does not make sense and that is not the way
the average human mind functions.
Your assumption,that my mind caused me to believe,because I wanted to believe,thereby,deceiving me ,is very misleading.
That is not the reason for my belief in God. I have more than once posted the reasons for my faith,and never have I stated that it was based on such a foolish reason ,as the one you are attributing to me.
I know the reasons on which I base my faith,they are based on the facts and personal experiences that I have had with God,not on wishful thinking.
That is ts something that you,or anyone who does not believe in God ,is able to understand,rightfully so.
Your assumption that my mind deceived me into believing in God,because I wanted to,can also be applied to your situation,Your mind deceived you into not believing in God,because that is what you wanted.
If you felt that I was trying to insult you,that was not my intent,I was trying to make a point,unfortunately,I seem to have used the wrong words,,,,For that I apologize.......
I believe that this is the 3rd time I've had to apologize to someone....
That is great,I am getting a lesson in humility

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

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#101057 Apr 26, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
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Your computer/phone/tablet is broken.
I was referring to the logical fallacy you made wherein I require 100% of the population of the Earth to witness something firsthand before I accept it as true.
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I fail to see ANY negatives in your 'point'. Are you trying to tell me that it's better to form some belief hundreds/thousands of years ago based on weak evidence and then never change it, no matter what evidence we uncover? I know you'll say that you aren't, but how would anyone get that by looking at the things you say here?
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http://i.imgur.com/fzuOrJr.jpg
That's the nearest house to that location. But since it's a rural road, it could be a mile away from there. Still, would be very easy to find if one were on the road.
Even if the address was a good one you would end up knocking on the door of some back holler granny that will look at you funny a ask you what the hell is "innernet".....

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101058 Apr 26, 2013
And you're still being insulting.
curious wrote:
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Your mind deceived you into not believing in God,because that is what you wanted.
This is highly insulting. You don't get it. You won't get it. You are not open to the possibility of being wrong, nor of others being right and not sharing your lack of ability to reason.

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#101059 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Disclaimer for all, Mormons do not believe in magic underwear.
Our temple related undergarments are used to remind us of covenants that we made with our Father in Heaven. They also remind us to remain modest. They are representative of the skins made for Adam and Eve to hide their nakedness.
Any reference to magic underwear is just an attempt to make Mormons look stupid.
Ok, ok, Buzz Killington. I'll stop making jokes about your magic underwear.

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#101060 Apr 26, 2013
curious wrote:
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...
let me show you why it is relevant,based on the teachings of scripture;
Good thinking pal. I'm sure you'll convince him with that!
curious wrote:
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I,on the other hand,believing God,can not dismiss it as irrelevant,since ,to me ,it only serves to validate what scripture teaches...
At least you're starting to identify why you can't think rationally...even if you don't yet realize it.
curious wrote:
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She could give no reason as to why she decided to look in the lost pets section of the paper,something she had never had a reason to do before.
At least three people now have explained to you why she would have looked at the lost pet section while she was reading the paper. Your refusal to even acknowledge the possibility of it not being "divine intervention" speaks volumes about your lack of objectivity.
curious wrote:
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I believe that this is the 3rd time I've had to apologize to someone....
That is great,I am getting a lesson in humility
More lies? I wonder, if your god actually existed would he consider false humility a lie?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101061 Apr 26, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Even if the address was a good one you would end up knocking on the door of some back holler granny that will look at you funny a ask you what the hell is "innernet".....
Yes, agreed, it's almost certainly a fake. That goes without saying. I mean, what kind of moron would act like that and then give his address to people?
curious

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#101062 Apr 26, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
I was bought up by christians.
Reading the bible made me an atheist. I find most christians listen to the soundbites of the bible. When they actually read it cover to cover many are shocked.
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I don't know how you arrived at your conclusion of"many are shocked"
When Iread the Bible cover to cover,I was inspired,tested many of it's teachings and was overcome with awe by the truths it contained
Let me give you an example;
When I read ;Romans 1:28-32

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know Godís righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them
When I read these verses,it was like looking in the mirror and I did not like what I saw.
What I read there,described the way I was,almost perfectly.
and I asked myself,Do you want to continue living your life this way,,The answer was no.

I was so impressed by what I read and the accurate description it gave of me,that I kept going back again and again to those verses.
I could not understand why these verses were having such a strong impact on me,a feeling that I could not describe,
I kept reading and eventually came to the Book of Hebrews,there I found the reason for the strong impact these verses were having on me,Now I could understand why I felt the way I did
Hebrews 4:12 &#9658;

For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

“See how you are?”

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#101063 Apr 26, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
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No, I was actually thinking about the Hindu Kush and their proximaty in regards to tectonic studies.
Try and keep up.
Ah, TheIndependentMajority. I recall that we've had dissent before.
I accept by your sarcasm that we have reached the practical limits of your argument. Again.

(However, on aside to curious:
Please note who uses multiple nicks - it is NOT the registered users.)

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101064 Apr 26, 2013
curious wrote:
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I don't know how you arrived at your conclusion of"many are shocked"
Now as they were making their hearts merry , behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about , and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying , Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly ; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring , they let her go .
Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.
And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.
And he said unto her, Up , and let us be going . But none answered . Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up , and gat him unto his place.
And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.

Yeah, no idea why people would be shocked.

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#101065 Apr 26, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
Your computer/phone/tablet is broken.

I was referring to the logical fallacy you made wherein I require 100% of the population of the Earth to witness something firsthand before I accept it as true.
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
As far as the dinosaur response. I'm not refuting that dinosaurs and birds are not of common ancestry. I'm reminding everyone that 20 years ago, not everyone agreed. The majority of scientists overwhelmingly agreed that they were all cold-blooded and shared ancestry with reptiles and not birds. My point is, scientists can draw the wrong conclusion with what evidence they have, and then completely change their stance when more or different evidence comes forth. "

I fail to see ANY negatives in your 'point'. Are you trying to tell me that it's better to form some belief hundreds/thousands of years ago based on weak evidence and then never change it, no matter what evidence we uncover? I know you'll say that you aren't, but how would anyone get that by looking at the things you say here?
do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
I was hoping to hear the results of this one. Haha"

http://i.imgur.com/fzuOrJr.jpg
That's the nearest house to that location. But since it's a rural road, it could be a mile away from there. Still, would be very easy to find if one were on the road.
Since only your posts show up that way, and everyone else's looks normal, evidence would suggest it is not my equipment.

How many eyewitnesses of a miracle are necessary for you to believe then?

No, I am just saying that science's stance can change based off of new discoveries. While I don't believe we will find a cave with "Adam and Eve wuz here" written on it, I just don't think atheists should use science to refute all points of why people are religious. They may not have all the evidence in yet.

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