Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

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TO UMMMMMM
Appreciate your response,couple of points I want to make
UMMM WROTE
1) Time is irrelevant here. If you are trying to give it relevance, you are being tricked by an outdated part of your brain. What's relevant is that the woman knew about the lost dog. Whether she was consciously thinking about the dog or not, she was certainly aware of it.
I disagree that time is not relevant here and that if I am trying to give it relevance, it's because I am being tricked by an outdated part of my brain,whatever that might mean, That sounds absurd
These events took place on the same day,the same date and the same time 8;30 to 9;00 and it had never occurred to the lady in question, to look in the lost pet section previous to that particular day .
So,the fact that both occurences happened on the same day and date,at the same time,makes time very relevant AND can not be dismissed by stating that I was somehow tricked
BUT,could it have been a coincident,,,Yes
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2)The woman was reading the paper. Many people skim the paper front to back, and only focus on things that catch their attention. This is normal human behavior and allows for maximum efficiency in gathering information that you care about and not wasting time on other information (a pretty amazing trait, actually). She remembers the dog as she's skimming the lost and found. She then focuses on the individual ads.

You are making an assumption that seeks to justify your views,problem with that,as I see it is,most people that hear that their neighbor found a dog and gave it away are seldom concerned about trying to find it's owner..On their list of worries and concerns,that concern would be way at the bottom of the list,if,at all
..BUT,could this be a consecutive coincident,related to the first coincident.......YES

3)She initially doesn't think that the descriptions match the dog she remembers, but the human mind has evolved to be capable of making very quick decisions that may not be the most accurate, but are accurate enough overall to ensure survival. This is a case where the initial decision was flawed. The human mind also tends to double check itself in cases of low confidence (usually once danger has passed, in nature). This is often labeled "doubt". She had a doubt about rejecting your ad, so rather than chance a pet owner being separated from their pet, she called you. Simple risk/benefit analysis. It hurts nothing to call you, but has more severe consequences to not call you.

Again,you are making assumptions in order to justify your opinion,This has nothing to do with survival.
Moreover,to me,if for some reason that I can not explain,I turn to the lost pets section of the paper,something I had never had a reason to do previously,then I read through the ads and find that none of the descriptions in the ad seem to fit the dog in question, I would go on to read something else.That to me,would seem logical.
But ,you base your conclusions on risk/benefit analysis that the overwhelming majority of the people would never apply
You seem to be implying that your explanation,is,in effect,the way most people would react under the same circumstances.....To me ,that is an exceptionally long stretch.
But,could this be the third consecutive coincident in this chain of events.....YES
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Now,can I LOGICALLY conclude,based on your explanation,that these events have no other explanation,other than the one you gave. Logically means-According to logical reasoning?
Now ,here was the dilemna I faced, These events could all be a coincident,which I could not logically explain
However,the events that took place,wether by coincidence or design,led to my finding my dog..
And one of those events included my praying to a GOD that I did not believe in.
Now,the question arises,were the results based on a coincidence,or,If God really existed,was he somehow responsible for the results,

Something or someone caused this lady to act the way she did, Now I was very curious as to how or whom had caused this series of events.
Given the possibility that God existed,I started reading the Bible and asking questions.
As I read the Bible ,I found these verses,among others, If you diligently seek me,you will find me
Seek and ye shall find,Ask and you will receive,He who comes to me ,I will in no way cast out.
So,I put those teachings to the test.

Since that time,I have faced a number of situations,as probably most people have,where you can not find a solution to a very pressing problem, wether it be financial,a marrriage problem,family problem or whatever.
You attempt to resolve it on your own,You wish it would go away,you wait for it to go away and the problem still remains..
So,I again turned to God. Within 1 day my problem was resolved.
Subsequent problems have been solved only when I pray to God.
Therefore,either God is responding,or,when I seek his help,,some unknown benevolent power seems to respond to my request or,my prayer causes a series of conincidences to take place,which in turn,provide the results I requested..
I believe,that he who answers my prayers is God,That is whom I pray to and it is he who responds.
That is the basis for my faith...I have tested his teachings,and he has responded as he said he would.
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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, a true christian.
You elevate yourself because you know that you are worthless.
I do not shock any one, And there is no god to hate dummy.
You are a troll, an attention junky that is looking for a fix.
I bet you jerk off to gay porn and little boys dont you.
I read on your little pic that you live in Hell. I bet you do. Your own self made hell. For what reason do you want to be there? Are you so ignorant as to think Satan is your friend somehow? HAHAHA!! You expect people to not believe in God yet you say "hail Satan"? Funny . I will be so glad when the Truth comes down (literally). I want to see the look on you peoples' faces. You ignorant hilljacks.
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Satanic Priest wrote:
So johhny boy, where at in Jonesborough, TN?
In case I am driving through and want to give you the chance to bit ch up like a little girl
8690 107 cutoff, Greeneville TN! ANY GODDAMN TIME! However you won't be driving home Gaytanic Priest!
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Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, a true christian.
You elevate yourself because you know that you are worthless.
I do not shock any one, And there is no god to hate dummy.
You are a troll, an attention junky that is looking for a fix.
I bet you jerk off to gay porn and little boys dont you.
You described yourself to a tee, Gaytanic Priest!

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The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
Others have already addressed this. Nice to see this thread is getting a lot of action.

Science is certainly not useless in this question. It has just as much use as in any other question. We evaluate questions based on evidence and reason. If there is a lot of evidence for a certain idea and none for a different idea, and if reason leads to think the former idea seems more plausible then it is not only realistic to lend trust to that idea, it is IRRATIONAL and unrealistic not to.

In other words, if science indicates that we probably simply die and do not go on then it makes sense to accept that as a conditionally true fact.

There is always room for a little doubt. But what you are suggesting is that you not only doubt it, you actively believe in an entirely different idea. An idea that is rich in detail, full of dovetailing ideas, and true for everyone. It makes no sense to believe that way, except that it probably makes you feel better to do so. I understand that desire.

It would make me feel better to think that in ten years I'll be a rich man with the powers of a superhero and dozens of hot wives. But guess what? I would be insane to actually believe it. And you would agree with me on that, right?

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do whut wrote:
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I think you misunderstood me and are trying to ride that pony in the ground. Let me clarify. Not everything a prophet speaks is inspired or is direct revelation from The Lord. They speak words from their own minds much more frequently than they declare revelation.
How do you know the difference?

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TO UMMMMMM
Appreciate your response...
I disagree that time is not relevant here and that if I am trying to give it relevance, it's because I am being tricked by an outdated part of my brain,whatever that might mean, That sounds absurd...
I think we've discovered the crux of the problem here.
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whatever that might mean, That sounds absurd
Pearls before swine...

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Any critical minded person does not live their lives based on a claim that does not have much evidence. This would be one of those cases.
It is pretty clear their are links between dinosaurs and birds, but that does not mean all claims about each one is true.
But most atheist science followers are not denying people rights due to what science is saying about ostrich eggs. But Christians do try and deny rights to homosexuals due to what the bible claims about them. You have absolutely zero evidence a god approved of condemning homosexuals.
Excellent point.

The Bible rarely mentions homosexuality at all, and often in unclear terms. According to the way people used to interpret the Bible, you could easily interpret those passages in different ways. Christians do this ALL THE TIME. It is how they dodge the tricky parts of the Bible such as the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac. They interpret it in a way that makes it sound good.

Yet they fixate on their negative interpretation of the gay bits. They fixate on it in a big way. Why? Why this one little thing? Is it because this is a small minority and an easy target?

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It would make me feel better to think that in ten years I'll be a rich man with the powers of a superhero and dozens of hot wives. But guess what? I would be insane to actually believe it. And you would agree with me on that, right?
That might not have been the best way to illustrate delusional thinking to a guy who's religion/sect has a history of polygamy, wealth attainment, and magic underwear.

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I disagree that time is not relevant here and that if I am trying to give it relevance, it's because I am being tricked by an outdated part of my brain,whatever that might mean, That sounds absurd
These events took place on the same day,the same date and the same time 8;30 to 9;00 and it had never occurred to the lady in question, to look in the lost pet section previous to that particular day .
I addressed this already. People read the paper in the morning, so the time of day is not really shocking. Also, this all takes place in a few weeks, right? From the time the dog was found by the other person to the time the lady saw the ad is only a few weeks, correct? So right off the bat there is roughly a 1/14 chance she would call on that day. Actually, even better odds than that.

You are looking for reasons to justify an irrational belief.
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Nice....
I've got a million just like that in my yard... LOL
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I was bought up by christians.

Reading the bible made me an atheist. The character in the book called God is one of the most horiffic I've ever read about.
I find most christians listen to the soundbites of the bible. When they actually read it cover to cover many are shocked.

Even if he did exist I would certainly not worship such a deity with such obvious contempt for the well being of his creations.

Several hundred religion? There are 38,000 different types of christianity alone. Look up Godlist on tinternet, there are thousands.

If you can explain why your god (with no evidence) is more likely than all those other gods (again with no evidence) then maybe I'd listen.

You numptys only choose that god because of the time and place of your birth. Your faith is an accident of geography and timing. If you'd been born in Cairo for instance you'd probably be just the same but talking about a differnt religion.

We should educate our children of these heinous parts of life but NOT AS SCIENCE as guess what is is NOT SCIENCE or even history.
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concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
You guys crack me up...The Bible was in teaching our children to read in public schools. The American people are the most miss guyed people about our education. From the Bible to our type of government. Yes our young people needs to be effected by Jesus Christ teachings. May be they'll learn some thing like to love each and respect life.

Concern, I'm sure you're the American that thinks America is a democracy form of government. WE are a Republic form of government.
Yes, we where founded up on the 10 Commandment of the Bible. Why did our for fathers quote so many biblical scriptures in their writing. Please go to Thomas Jefferson Monument in DC... Were the Bible scripture is in scripted in the dome.

?????????? If readying and teach the Bible in a public school happens to our young minds of mush in America, our country in good shape!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless America!!!
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I thought they both served the God of Abraham?
One was hijacked by satan... LOL
John 3:16 says God Loves us...
Islam says... Blow everybody up!
Go figure!
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Excellent point.
The Bible rarely mentions homosexuality at all, and often in unclear terms. According to the way people used to interpret the Bible, you could easily interpret those passages in different ways. Christians do this ALL THE TIME. It is how they dodge the tricky parts of the Bible such as the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac. They interpret it in a way that makes it sound good.
Yet they fixate on their negative interpretation of the gay bits. They fixate on it in a big way. Why? Why this one little thing? Is it because this is a small minority and an easy target?
THE Bibles very clear on the subject of Homosexuality. Just read Romans Chapter one!!! LOL...you've never read the Bible through so you really don't understand the Bible or know what it truly says.
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Yiago wrote:
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Excellent point.
The Bible rarely mentions homosexuality at all, and often in unclear terms. According to the way people used to interpret the Bible, you could easily interpret those passages in different ways. Christians do this ALL THE TIME. It is how they dodge the tricky parts of the Bible such as the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac. They interpret it in a way that makes it sound good.
Yet they fixate on their negative interpretation of the gay bits. They fixate on it in a big way. Why? Why this one little thing? Is it because this is a small minority and an easy target?
If God created life as you want it Man with Man and Women with Women....Please tell me how life would PRO CREATE!!!!?????? I'm not judging you but I will be praying for you!!! John 3:16
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Natalie wrote:
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Does anyone out there know a preacher Bill Combs or William Combs?
One died at the age of 88, in Roanoke!
He's with the Lord now!

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John F Dillenger wrote:
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In the grand reality of things what is your opinion worth? More than theirs or mine, no! Who are you exactly? A simple P--ick acting lile a big shot on topix! If you are so vastly intellegent, share your wisdom with the world, little man!
You may be right. Sometimes I've let my emotions get away from me. Please allow me share a few snippets of wisdom I have been able to gather from more intelligent, compassionate and level headed posters.

"You and that jerk you responded to; imagine yourselves to be so full of awe inspireing wisdom; why are you both not hard at work at NASA? How do you lower yourself to posting on topix all day? Unemployed Genius, what a goddamn shame!"

"You are not smart enough to understand his post are you?"

"Mad are you? HAHAHAHA."

"Move to Iran, and tell them all about it!"

"Use your scientific method, and fully explain how a Bumblebee can fly? I belive they can, one stung me the other day! However prove it, useing scientific fact? Have at it!"
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-NEPHILIM- wrote:
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I have had marriage, family and financial problems and they have all worked out, does that mean God answers my unasked prayers? If I had prayed to Thor the whole time I've had these problems then does that mean he is real?
Everyone has problems that work out, otherwise it would be a death sentence and not a problem. Damn man, how much did you miss your little dog to give God all this credit? You said you didn't believe in God yet you went to church to pray for it's return? You sure you're not gay?
I don't believe you are familiar with the instructions in Scripture,as to what makes prayer effective.MAYBE these will help you to understand

Psalm 55:22 &#9658;

Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous be shaken .
In other words,bring your problems to the Lord

Regarding prayer
&#9668; Isaiah 65:24 &#9658;

Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear.

I will answer them before they even call to me. While they are still talking about their needs, I will go ahead and answer their prayers!

That is why the time frame on my posting was very relevant
At at 9;00 AM ,when I had just finished praying,at that same time,9;00 AM,the lady was calling me with the information that would lead me to my dog
The fact is that,when I have cast my cares upon the Lord,as he has promised,I have gotten an immediate response.

Matthew 6:5-8
New Living Translation (NLT)

7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him!
9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,[a]
but deliver us from the evil one.[b]’

14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

I have tested those instructions and found them to be true.
So either God is answering my prayers,or,someone else is If not God,then who?

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