Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
"Science is useless"? Wrong, science can tell us their is no activity in the brain when we die.
Science can tell us that thoughts come from brain activity. So it certainly stands to reason when the brain stops working, we no longer have thoughts.
Now if you can show us how this is not so, please do so.
Maybe science is useless to you, but please do not speak for what science is good for in general, as it is clear most extreme Christians like yourself dismiss science on a regular basis.
It looks as if you look to religion for answers, not science, so I understand why you are so confused about science. If you have a question about science, just ask most any atheist. We will continue to ask you believers about religion. Hope you start answering more questions.

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The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.
Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
The difference in our trust of scientists testing theories compared to faith in religion is, we can actually check it if we wish, you cannot. You have blind faith, we do not.

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<quoted text>"No one can really know what a god wants"???
Really?
I beg to differ... He saved me, we talk all the time!
Like the time He told me that Obama was nothing to be proud about...
The time He reminded me not to let my heart be troubled when
Romney lost...
That ALL these nasty things are coming to pass, and the end
will be soon 3-5 years!
This nation, this world is a broken crap hole...
due for Renovation!
Thank you Lord Jesus!
Three to five years? So in six years will you denounce your faith if your god lied to you?
Sorry, but I do not believe a god spoke to you, nor Brigham Young, nor Moses.
I think if god is speaking to believers, they would all be on the same page. Evidence shows they are not on the same page, thus this proves god is not speaking to believers.

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<quoted text>So you scold us for not answering a question even before you give us a chance? How hypocritical, as I have asked you many questions and have given you ample chance to answer and you refuse to even try.

I would be glad to answer your question when you answer this one. If Brigham was wrong, why could the claims of the old testament not be wrong? Can you admit the claim of homosexuality being an abomination could just be from some flawed, homophobic man?

I would love for you to humor me. Give and ye shall receive.
My question came first a long time ago. And I have answered your question, you just didn't like the response.

No I don't think the abomination was a recorded mistake. It was included in many books of the Bible, and came from several prophets, and cities were destroyed because of the act.

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<quoted text>"Do what" was so sure no one would ever humor his question.
No I really wanted an answer, and I appreciated this one. It was a good response.

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I think you misunderstood me and are trying to ride that pony in the ground. Let me clarify. Not everything a prophet speaks is inspired or is direct revelation from The Lord. They speak words from their own minds much more frequently than they declare revelation.
I understand you believe this, and I am not really asking that question. I am asking if this is what you believe, then is not all claims of the bible made by prophets up for question? Does it not make the claim that homosexuality is an abomination possibly wrong?
I have asked this several times and in various ways, but either you cannot comprehend the question, or you are running from it.
Try giving a straight answer to the question for a change, instead of answering the question you wish was asked?

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I think you misunderstood me and are trying to ride that pony in the ground. Let me clarify. Not everything a prophet speaks is inspired or is direct revelation from The Lord. They speak words from their own minds much more frequently than they declare revelation.
Read the question again, then answer the question(s) asked.

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<quoted text>So if the accounts of the story could be flawed, then no one can really know what a god said. No one can know which accounts were wrong.
If one prophet was wrong as you claimed (Brigham) then doubt can be cast on all of them, right? If so, then how can you be so sure homosexuality is against the wishes of god?

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<quoted text>I pointed out a prehuman bone would be that of a bipedal ape. Did you miss that? But even fully evolved human remains that are the oldest are found in Africa by a large margin. So it stands to reason humans first came from Africa.
Are you wishing for me to post a link?
This is not a debatable claim. The evidence is there to be found by a simple google search. Are you disputing their is evidence or are you just to lazy to look?
No I just think there is much more to find, along with things that will not be found. Science's claims are always changing. Take dinosaurs for example: now they believe that they were not cold-blooded reptiles after all. And brontosaurus didn't even exist. Some scientist put the wrong head on the large body. It was an apatosaurus. Oops. So they just stopped talking about one of our favorite dinosaurs hoping that it would fade away.
Just saying, more evidence can appear at any time that refutes everything that is currently believed. So it makes me laugh when these moving targets are used to dispute believers.

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No I really wanted an answer, and I appreciated this one. It was a good response.
I really want answers from you, but for some reason you do not answer. What gives?

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<quoted text>So you trust a holy ghost is guiding your brain? How can you know this happens? Because a prophet told you?
No, fortunately interaction with the HG is a personal interaction. And it is normally in a manner that one cannot deny is from God.

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<quoted text>As I mentioned, while not having read the whole book cover to cover, at one point in time, I had read a good little bit from it. While I do not feel need to "challenge my own beliefs" I did not find what I did read from the book, to detract from them.

Personally, I think we need more people willing to look at the problems behind the increasing terrorism afflicitions are presenting themselves in the apparently blind eyed faces of this country lately.
It should not detract from your faith. It should build it. Anything that increases your faith is of God.
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I thought they both served the God of Abraham?
George W. Bush would agree with your thought.

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<quoted text>No. What you describe is trust in the scientific method, not faith. There is a process, all information is available, and if one wants (as I often do), they can take a few minutes to confirm the result and have a deeper understanding of the subject matter. If it were faith you would know that you could do none of that and that you're required to take their word that something simply IS with no proof whatsoever, and you could never have any deeper understanding of anything other than what some other person claims (which is again, without any proof).

Why is it so hard to believe that some people take absolutely nothing on faith? Why do I always see people of faith attempting to validate their belief in things with no basis by acting as though people of science are doing the same thing?? We are not. Period. It really rubs me the wrong way when they try to claim such garbage, because I find the whole concept of believing things without any proof offensive (and in fact, I believe that it's the root cause of most things that make this world a worse place).
Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.

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<quoted text>see above
What was I supposed to look for?

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My question came first a long time ago. And I have answered your question, you just didn't like the response.
No I don't think the abomination was a recorded mistake. It was included in many books of the Bible, and came from several prophets, and cities were destroyed because of the act.
So are you telling me if a claim is repeated, this leads you to believe the claim is true? Just in case you were not aware, that is a textbook propaganda technique. But just know, homosexuality was barely spoke of in the bible.
I responded to your claim about Sodom and Gomorrah and you failed to answer.
Biblical scholars often dispute the claim that homosexuality was the reason for the fire and brimstone. The villagers in the story just wished to rape the visitors, not other villagers that were offered.
The story goes on to show the people of the village were all bad, and not in the ways you seem to think is the reason for the fire.

Also, the prophets of the old testament said cutting your side burns was bad also, so do you cut yours?

I am just trying to understand how you determine what is really a claim of a god.
You said the holy ghost helps clear up confusion, but if this is true, then why are their so many different opinions of what god wants?

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do whut wrote:
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Sorry but you are still trusting individuals that are attempting the scientific method. Just like the first time scientists were trying to determine the link between birds and dinosaurs. It took them months to figure out that someone just didn't clean out a leaked ostrich egg from one of the containers. They were trying to label some species of dinosaurs as feathered reptiles. Oops.
Any critical minded person does not live their lives based on a claim that does not have much evidence. This would be one of those cases.
It is pretty clear their are links between dinosaurs and birds, but that does not mean all claims about each one is true.
But most atheist science followers are not denying people rights due to what science is saying about ostrich eggs. But Christians do try and deny rights to homosexuals due to what the bible claims about them. You have absolutely zero evidence a god approved of condemning homosexuals.

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Here's the way that you, just like a good Christain, continually attempt to insult me instead of simply answering what was asked:
"you would not have been able to grasp"
"your inability to grasp"
"your inability to compprehend"
"upset you"
"arbitrarily dismissed"

So, to clarify exactly where you stand, NO... I am not unable to grasp anything you have or will state. I am not unable to comprehend anything you have or will state. I am not upset by the existence of stupid people on the internet. And I arbitrarily dismiss nothing. At this point, you can either tuck your tail and slink off to whatever hole you came from, or you can answer me.

I will state it again, as clearly as possible:
If you had never prayed could it still have happened in the exact same way (i.e. through either random chance or normal processes)? Do note that this says nothing about probability or your difficulty in grasping that a low probability occurrence could happen to you. Please explain what happened and how you think the question applies.
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Well, you are right (didn't expect that did you)!"

I did. He probably did, too. Why wouldn't we both expect that we were right? It's not like either of us tend to blab on about things we know nothing about and then ask worthless and invalid questions in an attempt to play "gotcha". I mean, who would do that?
I answered you on this. No, the child's ear would not have reattached before EMTs could arrive, with no use of medical equipment.

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No, fortunately interaction with the HG is a personal interaction. And it is normally in a manner that one cannot deny is from God.
Can your answers get any more vague? You did not answer my question at all. Just what constitutes a personal interaction?
When people get different answers than you when consulting the holy ghost, does this not prove it to be a delusion?

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<quoted text>In what way does it matter who commented to who? My point was clear. You were rude and arrogant. You accused him of being the same. You are a hypocrite. And a rather dense one, since I just had to explain this to you.

Also, don't worry about my Topix name. It's completely irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
Hahaha. You are the rudeness police now?? Oh the irony

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No I just think there is much more to find, along with things that will not be found. Science's claims are always changing. Take dinosaurs for example: now they believe that they were not cold-blooded reptiles after all. And brontosaurus didn't even exist. Some scientist put the wrong head on the large body. It was an apatosaurus. Oops. So they just stopped talking about one of our favorite dinosaurs hoping that it would fade away.
Just saying, more evidence can appear at any time that refutes everything that is currently believed. So it makes me laugh when these moving targets are used to dispute believers.
So you thus just did not look because science is sometimes wrong? Wow!!!

No one is basing their lives upon the idea that humans came out of Africa, but I think many theists base their lives upon the idea that Adam and Eve were claimed to be the first humans. You have absolutely zero evidence of that claim and their is a lot of evidence that disputes that claim. But you have shown me that you dismiss all science, so I now understand part of how you think.

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