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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142999 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101019 Apr 26, 2013
"To me ,that is an exceptionally long stretch."
Really? The dude with the theory that "an invisible sky man did it" is telling ME that my fact based and highly probably hypothesis is an exceptionally long stretch? Really? REALLLY?!!?!

What is wrong with you? How could any functioning mind make that statement in your position. I give you approximately .00001% chance of not being irreversibly brainwashed. It's freakin sad.
curious wrote:
Now,can I LOGICALLY conclude,based on your explanation,that these events have no other explanation,other than the one you gave. Logically means-According to logical reasoning?
What? NO. But I can easily, and logically, conclude that you have NO idea what logic actually is.

You were asking for a logical explanation. Not an absolutely refutable, 100% unquestionable, THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED explanation. A logical explanation. I gave you not only a logical explanation, but a LIKELY one. And one based solely on fact. Sure, it's possible that there are other logical explanations. I don't claim to be aware of all facts in the case. But no matter what, your completely illogical, completely nonfactual, and almost infinitely improbable explanation is not better.

Do you get it?
curious wrote:
Now ,here was the dilemna I faced, These events could all be a coincident,which I could not logically explain
However,the events that took place,wether by coincidence or design,led to my finding my dog..
And one of those events included my praying to a GOD that I did not believe in.
Again, you have almost no understanding of what logic is. Logic leads you DIRECTLY to labeling those things as coincidence. Coincidence plus human nature. That IS the logical explanation.

NOT "my sky daddy did it!". That is NOT logical.

And your praying, as science can demonstrate, was nothing other than an internal dialogue that influenced nothing outside of the neurons inside your head. It had no influence on the occurrences of that day. Logic demands that you do not try to force it into the equation.
curious wrote:
Now,the question arises,were the results based on a coincidence,or,If God really existed,was he somehow responsible for the results,
No, the question does not arise. Unless we are being irrational, illogical, unscientific, etc., that never crosses our mind.
curious wrote:
Something or someone caused this lady to act the way she did, Now I was very curious as to how or whom had caused this series of events.
I already told you how it could have happened.

From this point, your post goes straight off the rails. There is no logical way to get from the things we are discussing to "now I'll read the Bible". None.

You are completely unable to employ logic here. You are clinging to your presuppositions and feebly swatting at anything else. You are making NO sense. I did what I could, as nicely as I could, to try to help you understand how there are ways that it all could have happened without adding any imaginary beings, but you'll have none of it.

Now, I've soundly refuted all of your follow on arguments, and I'm quite confident that you'll have none of it. I'll just leave it all up here so that maybe somebody else that isn't so far gone can realize that "this is hard for me to understand" doesn't immediately lead to "GOD DONE IT!!!". And so all of the people claiming that you were insane or a waste of time (or whatever) can gloat and say "I told you so".
TruthIs

London, KY

#101020 Apr 26, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Would you mind citing your source(s)?
I actually saw some of the initial discussion that brought it to mind, on the History channel, but I'd "bet" (if I were a betting person, which I tend not to be because that's not my personality type) there's lots of written sources on the subject matter as well.

Just pluck a few of the keywords, combined with garden and eden into any search engine of your choice!
TruthIs

London, KY

#101021 Apr 26, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
When have I ever posted "I'll bet you...?"
I find condescending proselytizing to be ignorant, rude, vile and ugly lame-brained crap, so sometimes I respond in kind. rest assured, I would be at least as obnoxious if an Amway salesman were to be as persistently obnoxious in their membership drive as Known Fact has been.
You haven't, but there's been plenty that have.

Amway....lol...get thee ten steps back, or suffer the wrath of witnessing demon possession, oh SOOO over-priced pyramid thievers lol.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101022 Apr 26, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah...and do we get to use our lamebrainedness ignorance and just post--you stupid...you a idiot...and I bet you <inseert whatever accusatory delusion of vileness you wish to here>....
Who wanner be a smelly of unrighteousness, vile tawrking hypocrite?
PASS on that donkeydung pattie covered with flies lol.
Alright then, please provide any objective and substantive evidence that supports ANY PART of the Book of Genesis - because the warehouses full of data that debunks it have been exhaustively reviewed in the 96,000+ posts on this thread, just as it has been on a hundred others.
But don't mind me, I just can't help pointing it out - or as you put it, "spewing that vile hypocrisy."

Since: Aug 10

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#101023 Apr 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Can your answers get any more vague? You did not answer my question at all. Just what constitutes a personal interaction?
When people get different answers than you when consulting the holy ghost, does this not prove it to be a delusion?
In other words, you can, individually, receive revelation from God through the Holy Ghost for matters in your own life.
My answers are short because I don't get hours on end to spend on here, so I have to be brief sometimes, and also, trying to explain to an atheist how to recognize the Holy Ghost is like trying to explain an emotion to someone. It can be difficult because He reveals Himself differently to everyone. It is difficult for believers to recognize the HG. For example, when attending a Pentecostal service, I did not relate to what they were feeling. That isn't how I recognize what is described in scripture as a still, small voice.

Though He manifests Himself differently, people will not receive a different answer from the Holy Ghost. So this indicates that an answer that is contrary to the Will of God, is not of God.

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#101024 Apr 26, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you thus just did not look because science is sometimes wrong? Wow!!!

No one is basing their lives upon the idea that humans came out of Africa, but I think many theists base their lives upon the idea that Adam and Eve were claimed to be the first humans. You have absolutely zero evidence of that claim and their is a lot of evidence that disputes that claim. But you have shown me that you dismiss all science, so I now understand part of how you think.
I do not dismiss all science. But I do not abandon my beliefs because of a theory either.
No, I don't have evidence of Adam and Eve, nor did I claim to. I told you I believe because of my faith. This doesn't mean I don't like, or trust all scientific claims. I enjoy many aspects of science, physics in particular.

Since: Aug 10

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#101025 Apr 26, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Wha? Please tell me that you intended that as a joke.
No. I didn't. I'm explaining that scientists change their minds because of new evidence found. Therefore, for over 50 years we were taught incorrect information about dinosaurs because not all the required evidence was found to make the correct claims in these cases. All my old textbooks and children's books that include a brontosaurus are just as incorrect as "the world is flat" thinking.
TruthIs

London, KY

#101026 Apr 26, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Alright then, please provide any objective and substantive evidence that supports ANY PART of the Book of Genesis - because the warehouses full of data that debunks it have been exhaustively reviewed in the 96,000+ posts on this thread, just as it has been on a hundred others.
But don't mind me, I just can't help pointing it out - or as you put it, "spewing that vile hypocrisy."
I think geography and the study of places of former civilizations is cool.

There's a reason there's seashells "patterned" in amongst the pyramids of Giza.
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Many of Egypt's most famous monuments, such as the Sphinx and Cheops pyramid at Giza, contain hundreds of thousands of marine fossils, according to a new study.

Most of the fossils are intact and preserved in the monument walls, giving clues to how the monuments were built.

The authors suggest the stones that make up the Giza plateau, Fayum and Abydos monuments must have been carved out of natural stone as they reveal what chunks of the sea floor must have looked like over 4000 years ago, when the buildings were erected.

"The observed random emplacement and strictly homogenous distribution of the fossil shells within the whole rock is in harmony with their initial in situ setting in a fluidal sea bottom environment," write Professor Ioannis Liritzis and his colleagues from the University of the Aegean and the University of Athens.

Viegas, J. "Pyramids packed with fossil shells." ABC Discovery News. Science. Web. 4/28/2008. Last accessed 5/26/2013

Note: could be classified as "archaeology, earth-sciences, geology, palaeontology, ancient-religions" as well!!

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Oh wait...whatshisnameDukeydonkey dung...will have an issue with that LOL.

Same type of thing though lol.
TruthIs

London, KY

#101027 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not dismiss all science. But I do not abandon my beliefs because of a theory either.
No, I don't have evidence of Adam and Eve, nor did I claim to. I told you I believe because of my faith. This doesn't mean I don't like, or trust all scientific claims. I enjoy many aspects of science, physics in particular.
Ahhh Physics...one of the elementary building block areas of Science, where even the most professedly studied, just sometimes have to say, in admittance of TRUTH, that "We do NOT know"!!

Since: Aug 10

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#101028 Apr 26, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
That wasn't directed at you, obviously, as I already told you that I'm not interested in hearsay about the very convincing hallucinations some person had. Believe away. There is no evidence.

do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
Hahaha. You are the rudeness police now?? Oh the irony"

No, I am the hypocrisy police. What's ironic is that you like to play "intelligent Christian" yet that escaped you.

Skeptical Spectacles wrote, "<quoted text>
Wha? Please tell me that you intended that as a joke."

I was going to respond, but this pretty much covers it.

Oh, and birds are dinosaurs. There is no debate.
Unless a miracle happens that the entire world witnesses all at the same time, you will always discount a miracle. I can't help you there. There is no witness sampling size large enough (short of 100%) that will make you change this attitude. However it doesn't make it untrue just because your eyes didn't see it.

And yes, there has been plenty of debate on birds and dinosaurs since before you were born. As a youth, I was taught that dinosaurs were all cold blooded reptiles.

Since: Aug 10

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#101029 Apr 26, 2013
John F Dillenger wrote:
<quoted text>8690 107 cutoff, Greeneville TN! ANY GODDAMN TIME! However you won't be driving home Gaytanic Priest!
Haha. The gauntlet has been thrown

Since: Aug 10

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#101030 Apr 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Others have already addressed this. Nice to see this thread is getting a lot of action.

Science is certainly not useless in this question. It has just as much use as in any other question. We evaluate questions based on evidence and reason. If there is a lot of evidence for a certain idea and none for a different idea, and if reason leads to think the former idea seems more plausible then it is not only realistic to lend trust to that idea, it is IRRATIONAL and unrealistic not to.

In other words, if science indicates that we probably simply die and do not go on then it makes sense to accept that as a conditionally true fact.

There is always room for a little doubt. But what you are suggesting is that you not only doubt it, you actively believe in an entirely different idea. An idea that is rich in detail, full of dovetailing ideas, and true for everyone. It makes no sense to believe that way, except that it probably makes you feel better to do so. I understand that desire.

It would make me feel better to think that in ten years I'll be a rich man with the powers of a superhero and dozens of hot wives. But guess what? I would be insane to actually believe it. And you would agree with me on that, right?
Haha. That was kinda funny.
Seriously, I do see your position. I hope you see mine.
I have openly said that what I believe will not be proven. It is faith. But science can't prove me wrong, any more than I can prove it right. We don't know, and we won't know until we die, and then we can't come back to make a report of what happens. And even if that happened, it wouldn't be enough to convince an unbeliever.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101031 Apr 26, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
I think geography and the study of places of former civilizations is cool.
There's a reason there's seashells "patterned" in amongst the pyramids of Giza.
---
Many of Egypt's most famous monuments, such as the Sphinx and Cheops pyramid at Giza, contain hundreds of thousands of marine fossils, according to a new study.
Most of the fossils are intact and preserved in the monument walls, giving clues to how the monuments were built.
The authors suggest the stones that make up the Giza plateau, Fayum and Abydos monuments must have been carved out of natural stone as they reveal what chunks of the sea floor must have looked like over 4000 years ago, when the buildings were erected.
"The observed random emplacement and strictly homogenous distribution of the fossil shells within the whole rock is in harmony with their initial in situ setting in a fluidal sea bottom environment," write Professor Ioannis Liritzis and his colleagues from the University of the Aegean and the University of Athens.
Viegas, J. "Pyramids packed with fossil shells." ABC Discovery News. Science. Web. 4/28/2008. Last accessed 5/26/2013
Note: could be classified as "archaeology, earth-sciences, geology, palaeontology, ancient-religions" as well!!
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Oh wait...whatshisnameDukeydonkey dung...will have an issue with that LOL.
Same type of thing though lol.
And there are seashell fossils embedded in Mount Everest, as well.
The pyramids are made almost entirely of limestone, except for certain places where granite was used for security purposes. Are you seriously contemplating the idea that these limestones were formed within mankind's tenure by a Noahic flood - and then have the audacity to ridicule other posters' intelligence and accuse them of hypocrisy?!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#101032 Apr 26, 2013
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhh Physics...one of the elementary building block areas of Science, where even the most professedly studied, just sometimes have to say, in admittance of TRUTH, that "We do NOT know"!!
Quite a refreshing taste of honesty, compared to Bible quoters.

Since: Aug 10

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#101033 Apr 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know the difference?
Read the doctrine and covenants. These are declared as revelations.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#101034 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless a miracle happens that the entire world witnesses all at the same time, you will always discount a miracle. I can't help you there. There is no witness sampling size large enough (short of 100%) that will make you change this attitude. However it doesn't make it untrue just because your eyes didn't see it.
And yes, there has been plenty of debate on birds and dinosaurs since before you were born. As a youth, I was taught that dinosaurs were all cold blooded reptiles.
Don't put your stupid strawman words in my mouth, idiot. I, and any other scientific mind, will believe a miracle occurred when there is evidence for one. The same as any other observed process in this universe. There is not, and never has been, evidence for a miracle. I can't tell if you're intentionally being an intelligence insulting douchebag, or you say these things because you really think I'm that stupid and actually have those beliefs. I will respect that you have at least some level of intelligence and go with the former.

And I don't care what you were taught or what people might have hypothesized decades ago... birds ARE theropod dinosaurs. There is NO valid debate on that, as there is too much supporting evidence. There is debate concerning other specifics of how they may have evolved (as is typical), but the only thing detractors of this current and almost universally held belief have to argue over is a weak phalangeal differentiation.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#101035 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
We have the Bible. To Christians, that not only is evidence, but Gospel. But, though I disagree with a homosexual lifestyle, I do not intend to deny them rights either. You are stereotyping me with others. I don't mind if hey have all the same rights as married individuals. I would just prefer they not use the word marriage.
Every one has a bible, most have many different verses and books. Your bible says something that the JW bible does not yet the JW says things the KJV does not and so on and so on.
So every sect made their own bible, nothing godly about that
Hey, I bet I can write a bible that says my beliefs are godly

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#101036 Apr 26, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha. The gauntlet has been thrown
No, because there is no such address, I checked because I am going through Tenn. in a couple of months.

Since: Aug 10

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#101037 Apr 26, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Excellent point.

The Bible rarely mentions homosexuality at all, and often in unclear terms. According to the way people used to interpret the Bible, you could easily interpret those passages in different ways. Christians do this ALL THE TIME. It is how they dodge the tricky parts of the Bible such as the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac. They interpret it in a way that makes it sound good.

Yet they fixate on their negative interpretation of the gay bits. They fixate on it in a big way. Why? Why this one little thing? Is it because this is a small minority and an easy target?
Duet. 23:17
There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Romans 1:26-27
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1 Tim 1:10
For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

I think it is pretty clear. I can dig up more if you and Mike still don't think the Bible is against homosexuality.

Since: Aug 10

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#101038 Apr 26, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>That might not have been the best way to illustrate delusional thinking to a guy who's religion/sect has a history of polygamy, wealth attainment, and magic underwear.
Really?
Ok the first decades of the church were surrounded by debt, so we now teach self reliance and no debt. That's sound advice regardless of religion.
And magic underwear? I hope you were joking.

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