Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Or Outhouse Back up Material...
I hear that 100% TRUTH clears 99.9% of the cling-ons that cause stinkbutt.

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What topic do you want to discuss now? Miracles don't exist because you haven't witnessed one?
I know your question wasn't directed at me, but I'd like to interject with: miracles don't exist because there's never been supporting evidence given for one (that I'm aware of). Except of course for eyewitness testimony, which as any attorney will tell you, is the least reliable form of evidence there is.

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How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Is a vagina made for a penis?
Anything else is perversion, an abomination against God, and nature!
case closed, end of story!
So you have never stuck your penis in a mouth? No one can really know what a god wants if one existed due to gods not actually speaking or presenting themselves.
You simply trust ancient men to be one hundred percent truthful about fantastic claims that have zero evidence.

Nature does not demand all creatures procreate for a species to survive. Just ask worker ants.

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Not in THAT particular book, which just covers THAT particular millenium.
(That's kind of like tossing out reading about..oh say...the Civil War...because it's 2013, so it "doesn't apply" now. MMMmmm...non...that does not compute-logically!!).
I am not sure what I said that made you think I contradicted this concept?
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PPl are so possessed by religion.They actually think it is a good thing to brainwash a child into believing this . Religious crap gas cost more lives and held the advancement of the humane species than anything .I find it hard to believe thinking people can believe it's a good thing to spread this infection through society.I will never have a child of mine taught such lies.The more science advances the smaller the room that religion has to live in .
Keep this crap to yourselves .

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So lets say that what Moses wrote was his interpretation of the vision that was given him and it may not be exactly how it happened. What if the matter that God used was from another, or several other planets that had dissipated? That's the thought that I have had on the matter.
So if the accounts of the story could be flawed, then no one can really know what a god said. No one can know which accounts were wrong.
If one prophet was wrong as you claimed (Brigham) then doubt can be cast on all of them, right? If so, then how can you be so sure homosexuality is against the wishes of god?

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I've said many times that I believe that one of the main reasons we are here is to have our faith tested. So what if I'm right? What if all the efforts of atheists were wasted trying to tell those with faith that they need proof, when they already know that proof will never come? The knowledge would come quickly once they die but are still aware of their surroundings. So then what? What then? I've always wanted to know what they think their thoughts would be at that moment, but no one will pause and be open minded enough to humor me with a response other than how stupid I am for believing in God. Can someone answer me with an open mind?
So you scold us for not answering a question even before you give us a chance? How hypocritical, as I have asked you many questions and have given you ample chance to answer and you refuse to even try.

I would be glad to answer your question when you answer this one. If Brigham was wrong, why could the claims of the old testament not be wrong? Can you admit the claim of homosexuality being an abomination could just be from some flawed, homophobic man?

I would love for you to humor me. Give and ye shall receive.

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i have actually thought of what i would say to god if it were true when i die and to be honest i know exactly what i would say. i would just say, "u know why my mind works the way it does and for u to forsake me and not give me the proof i need for your existence just goes to show that i was never loved to begin with. i was born with a ticket to hell already becuz i did try to believe and the more i tried, the more i doubted and u, yourself, left me dry with no answers when i need u the most. so i ask u now god, why did u never love me as u did the others children that u gave the miracles to so that they would know of your love and existence? why did u never care that i was strayin from the truth and step in so that i wouldnt have to face torture of hell for eternity? i guess all i can say is F*&K YOU TOO, cuz thats what u were sayin to me my whole life by turnin your back to me and never even opening my heart up to your love." notice i dont respect my father if he doesnt deserve it so im a commandment violator now. but why try to beg and plea for your life when its to late, just accpet it and walk in to hell with your head held high is all i can say. call what i say BS or what ever u will but that is the honest truth as to what i would say cuz i got tired of hearin the same ol what are u gonna say when u die and u have to face him, then u will regret it, so i gave it some real thought as to what i feel i should say to god as i am being sentenced to hell.
"Do what" was so sure no one would ever humor his question.

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What's a prehuman bone?
No I don't, and I didn't claim to. I'm not trying to trap you in something, I just wanted to know. So claiming there is evidence (without providing it) and then asking where the proof is for my beliefs is no different an answer than the kind that you complain about from Christians.
I pointed out a prehuman bone would be that of a bipedal ape. Did you miss that? But even fully evolved human remains that are the oldest are found in Africa by a large margin. So it stands to reason humans first came from Africa.
Are you wishing for me to post a link?
This is not a debatable claim. The evidence is there to be found by a simple google search. Are you disputing their is evidence or are you just to lazy to look?

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This is why we have the Holy Ghost. His job is to verify truth.
So you trust a holy ghost is guiding your brain? How can you know this happens? Because a prophet told you?
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Fully agree, but not what I was getting at. If you like reading the Bible, you would like the Book of Mormon.
The cool thing about reading it is that if you are a believer in Jesus Christ, it will bring you closer to Him. Whether you agree with the book or not, you will either be drawn closer to Him because it makes you think about your own beliefs (challenge the depths of your current beliefs), or drawn closer to Him because you learned more about Him. Either way, you win.
As I mentioned, while not having read the whole book cover to cover, at one point in time, I had read a good little bit from it. While I do not feel need to "challenge my own beliefs" I did not find what I did read from the book, to detract from them.

Personally, I think we need more people willing to look at the problems behind the increasing terrorism afflicitions are presenting themselves in the apparently blind eyed faces of this country lately.
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<quoted text>I am not sure what I said that made you think I contradicted this concept?
Eh you just woofed out some bark that you thought would make me sit down lol.
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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I pointed out a prehuman bone would be that of a bipedal ape. Did you miss that? But even fully evolved human remains that are the oldest are found in Africa by a large margin. So it stands to reason humans first came from Africa.
Are you wishing for me to post a link?
This is not a debatable claim. The evidence is there to be found by a simple google search. Are you disputing their is evidence or are you just to lazy to look?
Derr..Pangea were a big chunk o' goobleduhgook type rocks, resting on some serious plates of rift.

Might've even had some natural indegnous rock stepping stone formations, right out er Tethas fer easier travelink, for all we REALLY know.

Ya subliminal snake oil pusher...

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Derr..Pangea were a big chunk o' goobleduhgook type rocks, resting on some serious plates of rift.
Might've even had some natural indegnous rock stepping stone formations, right out er Tethas fer easier travelink, for all we REALLY know.
Ya subliminal snake oil pusher...
This sounds just as stupid as when you really proposed such a thing.

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<quoted text>I still find this hard to believe. I mean, hard to believe that you believe it.

We have no evidence that there is an afterlife. All science indicates that when we die the game is over. I understand the fear of death leads many people to hope for something more. But what I don't understand is how people can not only hope, but actually *believe* that a particular thing is going to happen after death. I can understand people who admit agnosticism about it. They aren't really making any claims. But when you claim to KNOW what happens, very specifically in your case, I just can't fathom how you get there from here.

Did you meet someone who died and went to Heaven and then came back to talk to you about it? Did they have pictures?

Also, in that second part of your post, you hit upon the problem I talked about pages and pages ago. It is not just you, but many Christians and other religious people who make this error in thinking:

If you cannot understand the mind of God then by what criteria can you possibly understand the Bible? You are building your worldview on a house of cards, IMHO. And based on some of the things you've said on various posts I even get the feeling that you doubt it yourself. Though certainly I could be wrong about that.

Anyway, I find this idea of belief without evidence fascinating. My brain is "WTF?"
The cool thing to me is that neither of us know what happens after death. Science is useless in this question and belief can never show proof. I think the first 10 seconds after we die will be very cool if believers are right.

Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand? You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
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This sounds just as stupid as when you really proposed such a thing.
We understand, it's hard from some, to conceptualize the viability of actually known scientific facts.

Might want to just stick to hating and foaming at the mouth over anyone else's Bible...and gutter-sniping at others from the ghetto level--no braincell activity required for that!!

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do whut wrote:
<quoted text>Why is it so hard to believe that people can have faith in something they don't fully understand?
You have not tested every theory that scientists put forth. You have faith in humans that their tests were done properly.
No. What you describe is trust in the scientific method, not faith. There is a process, all information is available, and if one wants (as I often do), they can take a few minutes to confirm the result and have a deeper understanding of the subject matter. If it were faith you would know that you could do none of that and that you're required to take their word that something simply IS with no proof whatsoever, and you could never have any deeper understanding of anything other than what some other person claims (which is again, without any proof).

Why is it so hard to believe that some people take absolutely nothing on faith? Why do I always see people of faith attempting to validate their belief in things with no basis by acting as though people of science are doing the same thing?? We are not. Period. It really rubs me the wrong way when they try to claim such garbage, because I find the whole concept of believing things without any proof offensive (and in fact, I believe that it's the root cause of most things that make this world a worse place).
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Explain yourself. I did not say "normal circumstances". I did not say "that you could not explain logically". Tell me what happened and how my actual question applies.
Also, my response DOES address it because if it's true, it invalidates the remainder of your post.
That is a big IF,on the other hand IF you are wrong,then it is your post that is invalidated;

We can keep debating this issue and some will never be able to understand the basis for a Christians faith.

Those who will only accept evidence based on logic and what they call rational reasoning,will never be convinced,nor can they be convinced.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things ...
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned.

Scriptures gives instructions as to how this objective can be attained and nowhere does it say that one can
attain this objective by human reasoning or logic.
If you diligently seek me,you will find me

Seek and you will find,ask and you will receive,knock and the door will be opened

John 14:27
I'm leaving you at peace. I'm giving you my own peace. I'm not giving it to you as the world gives. So don't let your hearts be troubled, and don't be afraid

John3;1 to 6

3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

( 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.)

3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,(Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,( he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

One is unable to explain to one blind from birth,in terms he can understand,the things of the natural world, a starlit night,a sunset or anything else.Of course,if his sight was somehow restored,then he could see and would be able to understand.

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That is a big IF,on the other hand IF you are wrong,then it is your post that is invalidated;
We can keep debating this issue and some will never be able to understand the basis for a Christians faith.
Those who will only accept evidence based on logic and what they call rational reasoning,will never be convinced,nor can they be convinced.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receives not the things ...
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him; and he cannot know them because they are spiritually discerned.
Scriptures gives instructions as to how this objective can be attained and nowhere does it say that one can
attain this objective by human reasoning or logic.
If you diligently seek me,you will find me
Seek and you will find,ask and you will receive,knock and the door will be opened
John 14:27
I'm leaving you at peace. I'm giving you my own peace. I'm not giving it to you as the world gives. So don't let your hearts be troubled, and don't be afraid
John3;1 to 6
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
( 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.)
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,(Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit,( he cannot enter into the kingdom of God
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit
One is unable to explain to one blind from birth,in terms he can understand,the things of the natural world, a starlit night,a sunset or anything else.Of course,if his sight was somehow restored,then he could see and would be able to understand.
I didn't say quote scripture at me. If you didn't want to answer you shouldn't have written a giant non-answer.

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